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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Stella, that's just more of the "same ol, same ol."
Okay. Please allow me to explain this - it's just my theory mind, but it's also something I've done successfully. You take say a small American theater, perhaps a musical theater, and you send them into say an African or an Asian country, let's say for example Bangladesh. You send them to Bangladesh to teach musical theater to the Bangladeshis with the specific aim of creating a Bangladeshi musical theater. Now you can do this two ways, you can have a bilingual English-Bangladeshi theater, or simply translate it all over into Bangladeshi, you use Bangladeshi music, Bangladeshi culture, and so on. You put out shows, which brings together an audience of Bangladeshis coming to see this Bangladeshi musical theater. This creates a need for people to come together and interact. They need resources, but through creativity they find such resources, somehow, somewhere, and so such a project develops.
It need not be a musical theater, it could be a choir, a band, a sports team, anything which brings people together. But you also send in advisors, business advisors, anyone who can develop a local community and you create opportunities for people to find some sort of occupation, to trade, to share, all on a very prmitive, basic scale, but something which builds, develops and grows. A community, two communities, six communities, a town, a region, and so on.
Do you see what I'm getting at now? Has this been done before?
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
You're just trying to get us involved in the problems of other countries and their people.
Popeye, we're already involved in these problems through the amount of foreign aid we're giving them, right? There's an African proverb which says 'the person being carried doesn't appreciate how far it is to the next town'. How much longer are we going to be giving money to people because they are poor? You can apply the same argument to welfare. If you're giving money to people without expecting any sort of return these people become dependent on the money you're giving them. This doesn't solve any poverty, but simply maintains it. Correct?
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Again, they need to stop looking to "The West" to solve their problems for them.
Sorry but that's just not our job.
This is precisely my point Popeye, and why I'm suggesting culture and cultural exchanges as the way forward. or sport. This replaces the dreams the kids have of a sporting or acting career in the States with dreams of an acting or sporting career in their own country and their own language. Our job would simply be to enable this.
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It'd be "The West" *still giving* to them.
Yes this is true, but under different circumstances. This time round there's got to be a return, a result.
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And all your "solutions" *still involve* immigration or refugees or asylum seekers going to "The West" don't they?
You're just re-hashing things.
Okay, so Popeye, are you really trying to tell me you'd prefer a solution where nobody comes to 'the West'? This is unrealistic, it isn't going to ever happen.
You're still mixing up immigration by choice and by necessity. BTW these aren't so much solutions but developing theories (see below). If you develop lots of local projects to work with people to reduce poverty you take away the need for people to come to the West out of poverty. I don't propose any change to the way we deal with asylum seekers or refugees fleeing from terror, imminent danger, civil war or a natural disaster as I feel these people should be over and above any sort of immgration requirement purely for humanitarian reasons.
Back to immigration by choice, which for me is a completely separate issue. You separate the right to remain from the visa and work permit, and together with the visa and work permit you add an additional requirement for a residency permit, either temporary or permanent which you can apply for by giving a visa, work permit, medical insurance and proof of address. You still get your first visas and work permits from the US Consulate, but you apply for your residency permit once inside the US, perhaps from the same office where you extend or renew your visas. You replace the green card with permanent residence.
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
"Who looks outside dreams, who looks inside awakens."
-Jung-
That's what those countries and their people's need to do, look inside themselves and stop sucking off of, "The West."
It's like welfare, it never ends until you end it!
I did say it was a developing theory - to fight poverty. The theory develops through fighting your own poverty. By the time you have solved your own poverty, you should know how to solve poverty in other Third World countries. Consider that a key stage in the development of my theory is tackling welfare dependency and local poverty.
Now you can blame the people who are on welfare for being on welfare and repeat the 'get a job' mantra all you like, but from what I can see it's not that easy to find a job so you go for the next best thing - an occupation - self-employment is an occupation, as is setting up a project or enterprise which is based on culture, community entertainment and sport. It's the same principle, rebuilding a community or society from the bottom up.
It's the people at the bottom of society who need this help, not the people at the top. Perhaps you or someone else can explain to me then why the Government is doing all it can to help corporations and big business, but disregards the people at the bottom of society.
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