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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

If anybody is still interested in the subject of the OP, the local news tonight had a piece on it.

The mom and son had an interview with Senator Diane Feinstein today. Current plans include Feinstein introducing a bill to keep them in the US, and they are trying to delay the deportation date of June 20 to allow for more time to work things out. However, Feinstein's stance is that these sorts of bills "rarely pass."

The father remains in a detention center awaiting deportation.  Should they be deported, the mother has "no real chance" of returning to the US.  For the son to return, he has to prove that he can pay his college tuition.

Cali

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Capitalism is the order of things.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world .

But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

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ORIGINAL: boytoy4female

Isn't it interesting that the arguments for allowing illegal immigration to continue are the same as the arguments that were made in support of slavery.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Therefore I see a difference between the forced repatriation of someone admitted to the US on asylum (which I assume this thread is about) and illegal immigration, which to me is a completely different topic.

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

No, they were never granted asylum. 

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ORIGINAL kittin

Illegal immigration and the failure to obtain asylum status are definitely two different things

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Interesting tactic, rule...toss out a challenge to me to back up something I have said and then, when I do, you haul out something I posted EARLIER and jump on me for turning this into "something it is not".  I am sorry...perhaps I am a bit dense but could you show me where the arguments/proof/sources offered up that came down on the U.S. policies, corporations, etc. came from if not from socialist and/or liberal and/or progressive sources?

Well, not really sure what you're asking me here.  If it's about corporate criminality here's one link:
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The 100 corporate criminals fell into 14 categories of crime: Environmental ...
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That's only the '90's.  We can go back to the '80's, '70's, or forward into the '00's.  I'm not sure what you consider liberal/socialist/progressive but these are documented legal cases even Rush and O'Reilly can't dispute. 

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world .

But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination.

And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

You say all this from the ivory tower that your Irish ancestors built after they escaped the abysmal poverty of their native land, popeye. Easy for you now, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West!
Problems with electricity and water? Check!
No healthcare, corrupt police, Check!
Various social problems, Check!
Poverty and crime, Check!
Highly "organized" crime, Check!
The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese.
We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America.
When does it end?
The West has done WAY more than our share in this area!
If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us!
I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries.
I want *ALL* of my Troops home!
From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country.
You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become.
They want more and more.
It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food!
Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt.
And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they?
Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom. 

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world .

But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination.

And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States.

Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West!
Problems with electricity and water? Check!
No healthcare, corrupt police, Check!
Various social problems, Check!
Poverty and crime, Check!
Highly "organized" crime, Check!
The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese.
We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America.
When does it end?
The West has done WAY more than our share in this area!
If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us!
I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries.
I want *ALL* of my Troops home!
From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country.
You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become.
They want more and more.
It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food!
Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt.
And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they?
Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom.