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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 10:34:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		aturs, if you go to the bottom and head over to page 3 of the article in question, they list the names.  I missed em the first time, too.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 10:41:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the rest of the article, and the source.  A 3.35 % difference in responses.  i am so ashamed.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 10:44:40 AM   
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aturs, if you go to the bottom and head over to page 3 of the article in question, they list the names.  I missed em the first time, too.


Thanks, i found it, it only listed 2 pages when i first linked to it, omitting both the names and statistics.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 10:46:55 AM   
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Thanks for the rest of the article, and the source.  A 3.35 % difference in responses.  i am so ashamed.


I bet if me and my best friend (both White with standard names) applied at 1000 different places here we would get that much of a difference, even though we have comparable work experience and the same certifications...
33 out of every thousand... yeah we could hit that easy


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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 10:46:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it just me, or am I the only one picturing the OP wearing his pointy white hood?

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 11:00:30 AM   
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Is it just me, or am I the only one picturing the OP wearing his pointy white hood?


  Damn, my screen is covered with coffee again.  Have you ever read your own signature line?
   
    What would make you think that, if i might ask?  i may not be too bright, but i see this as a positive event, even though i am not enthralled with Obama.  i also do not like McCain, nor Hillary much.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 11:37:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes this is a great country.My 19y/o son sent me a text last night extolling the remarkable achievment of Obama's campaign,specifically the fact that Obama carried states that 50 short years ago he would have had to get water from a "colored" fountain.....is there more to achieve regarding race relation in this country of course there is but this is an historic step forward

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 11:42:15 AM   
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So for the first time in our history it is going to be a black democrat versus a white republican. The civil rights movement have won the struggle and now any rich guy of any color can be successful as a party presidential candidate for the white house prize.


Hallelujah racism is over in America!  Lets all pat ourselves on the back.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 11:43:19 AM   
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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 11:47:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Obama nomination can be hailed has the step forward it is without any attempt to declare victory over racism here or anywhere else in the world.America does not hold a monopoly on the disease of racism.....

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 12:24:35 PM   
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Is it just me, or am I the only one picturing the OP wearing his pointy white hood?


Damn, my screen is covered with coffee again.  Have you ever read your own signature line?
  
   What would make you think that, if i might ask?  i may not be too bright, but i see this as a positive event, even though i am not enthralled with Obama.  i also do not like McCain, nor Hillary much.


If he said what he said with sincerity, then I will make a public apology.  But I'm hearing sarcasm in the words "civil rights movement has won the struggle" and "rich of guy of any race".  That paired with the title of the thread is what made me think that. 

Like Popeye said, Obama's half white.  But I think of him as a man who won the nomination, not a "Black Democrat".  But I'm cringing at the thought that the next few months are going to be jam-packed full of "Black vs. White" at every turn. 

Glad you like my sig line.  Sorry about your screen.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Thanks my screen still works.   If you want to look at the negative aspects, of course racism isn't over, and, quite possibly never will be.  People, as a general rule, always try to find a way of saying "it's not my fault"  quickly followed by "it's someone else's."  In the US it is often followed by "Who can i sue?"  Or should i have claimed that  you made me spill McDonald's coffee on my lap?
      Perhaps, though, you could look at the positive side.  Racism is not the barrier that it was 50, 100 or 200 years ago.  That it can be brought up without the fear of being whipped to death, or sold into the swamp.  A man who claims a percentage of African descent can run for president, and win the nomination through the election process.
       What impresses me most is that his opponent appears to be addressing the issues and has had his camp avoid references to Mr Obama's race or heritage, including eliminating references to his middle name.  Each time that i have asked for a positive thing about Mr. Obama i get defensive responses regarding the folks in his camp.
          This election is likely to hinge on who the public does NOT want to see in office based on issues.  At this point, it becomes, who will do the least harm.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:34:44 PM   
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also, as someone with horrible credit... I understand why they do it. While in most cases it isnt discriminatory, I will agree that on some things (i.e. job apps) your credit score shouldnt be an issue,but who would loan money to someoe who has shown time and time again that they are unable/unwilling to pay it back?


I actually fully agree with the use of credit scores as a factor in jobs of any real signifigance. It goes to charector, trustworthiness, and potential to be turned... For example take a job as menial as an airline baggage handler.... I dont want some guy who is so deep in hock that he is in danger of losing his house having the temptation that all he has to do is load this ONE piece of unscreened baggage into the hold and his financial worries are over. It wouldnt even have to be al queda, it could be a hazmat like an acetylene cylinder that shouldnt be flown....

Likewise, I dont want to be pulled over by a cop who cant live on his salary because hes the guy who is gonna be looking for "donations".... In your biz for instance, I dont want a computer tech whose drowning to be working on my laptop. There is too much there that is valuable... Whether its stored passwords for my online banking / credit cards, info to get a new identity, or business info that I have competitors who would pay handsomely for.....

Credit goes to trust. If the bank cant trust someone, why should I ? All kidding aside, think about what most of us have on our computers - it is the answer to sombodys prayers! (Whether an illegal alien looking for a social, or a financial windfall that will solve someones problems through theft, espionage, insider trading, or blackmail.)

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:48:16 PM   
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also, as someone with horrible credit... I understand why they do it. While in most cases it isnt discriminatory, I will agree that on some things (i.e. job apps) your credit score shouldnt be an issue,but who would loan money to someoe who has shown time and time again that they are unable/unwilling to pay it back?


I actually fully agree with the use of credit scores as a factor in jobs of any real signifigance. It goes to charector, trustworthiness, and potential to be turned... For example take a job as menial as an airline baggage handler.... I dont want some guy who is so deep in hock that he is in danger of losing his house having the temptation that all he has to do is load this ONE piece of unscreened baggage into the hold and his financial worries are over. It wouldnt even have to be al queda, it could be a hazmat like an acetylene cylinder that shouldnt be flown....

Likewise, I dont want to be pulled over by a cop who cant live on his salary because hes the guy who is gonna be looking for "donations".... In your biz for instance, I dont want a computer tech whose drowning to be working on my laptop. There is too much there that is valuable... Whether its stored passwords for my online banking / credit cards, info to get a new identity, or business info that I have competitors who would pay handsomely for.....

Credit goes to trust. If the bank cant trust someone, why should I ? All kidding aside, think about what most of us have on our computers - it is the answer to sombodys prayers! (Whether an illegal alien looking for a social, or a financial windfall that will solve someones problems through theft, espionage, insider trading, or blackmail.)


ok, there is a point I didnt consider, so I can see where it would be good for some jobs to have em... but I dont think all jobs need them, or at least that they need to be as stringent with thier requirements to "pass" them


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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:52:55 PM   
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Maybe we can finally get rid of the hyphenated American practice now? And all just be American? 


there is a good (imnsho) way to do this

fuck everybody... when there is no race, there is no racism
For the record, I am being completely serious... cause I see no other option, as long as people can point and say "they look different" there will be racism, unfortunately thats the way the world is.





No race...hmmmm, well I hate to disagree, but I think at that point people will start putting stars on their bellies and well, you know the rest. 

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:55:04 PM   
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Maybe we can finally get rid of the hyphenated American practice now? And all just be American? 


there is a good (imnsho) way to do this

fuck everybody... when there is no race, there is no racism
For the record, I am being completely serious... cause I see no other option, as long as people can point and say "they look different" there will be racism, unfortunately thats the way the world is.





No race...hmmmm, well I hate to disagree, but I think at that point people will start putting stars on their bellies and well, you know the rest. 

but then its a whole new -ism :)
can only solve one problem at a time, and at least this is a fun solution


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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 1:55:49 PM   
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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 3:46:21 PM   
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also, as someone with horrible credit... I understand why they do it. While in most cases it isnt discriminatory, I will agree that on some things (i.e. job apps) your credit score shouldnt be an issue,but who would loan money to someoe who has shown time and time again that they are unable/unwilling to pay it back?


I actually fully agree with the use of credit scores as a factor in jobs of any real signifigance. It goes to charector, trustworthiness, and potential to be turned... For example take a job as menial as an airline baggage handler.... I dont want some guy who is so deep in hock that he is in danger of losing his house having the temptation that all he has to do is load this ONE piece of unscreened baggage into the hold and his financial worries are over. It wouldnt even have to be al queda, it could be a hazmat like an acetylene cylinder that shouldnt be flown....

Likewise, I dont want to be pulled over by a cop who cant live on his salary because hes the guy who is gonna be looking for "donations".... In your biz for instance, I dont want a computer tech whose drowning to be working on my laptop. There is too much there that is valuable... Whether its stored passwords for my online banking / credit cards, info to get a new identity, or business info that I have competitors who would pay handsomely for.....

Credit goes to trust. If the bank cant trust someone, why should I ? All kidding aside, think about what most of us have on our computers - it is the answer to sombodys prayers! (Whether an illegal alien looking for a social, or a financial windfall that will solve someones problems through theft, espionage, insider trading, or blackmail.)


On the other hand, any recommendations for someone in poor financial shape that would like to resolve that situation without stooping to illegal activity?  Flipping burgers at McDonalds or driving a cab can pay the rent and is honorable employment, but takes some time to get that credit rating back up into the acceptable numbers.  I really had not planned to get divorced.

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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 3:51:53 PM   
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On the other hand, any recommendations for someone in poor financial shape that would like to resolve that situation without stooping to illegal activity? Flipping burgers at McDonalds or driving a cab can pay the rent and is honorable employment, but takes some time to get that credit rating back up into the acceptable numbers. I really had not planned to get divorced.

Time is the only thing that gets the credit rating up.  There are no shortcuts on that.

Manage whatever credit you have well, grab more credit when you can, and manage it well...over time, the numbers will go up.


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RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME - 6/4/2008 3:52:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr



also, as someone with horrible credit... I understand why they do it. While in most cases it isnt discriminatory, I will agree that on some things (i.e. job apps) your credit score shouldnt be an issue,but who would loan money to someoe who has shown time and time again that they are unable/unwilling to pay it back?


I actually fully agree with the use of credit scores as a factor in jobs of any real signifigance. It goes to charector, trustworthiness, and potential to be turned... For example take a job as menial as an airline baggage handler.... I dont want some guy who is so deep in hock that he is in danger of losing his house having the temptation that all he has to do is load this ONE piece of unscreened baggage into the hold and his financial worries are over. It wouldnt even have to be al queda, it could be a hazmat like an acetylene cylinder that shouldnt be flown....

Likewise, I dont want to be pulled over by a cop who cant live on his salary because hes the guy who is gonna be looking for "donations".... In your biz for instance, I dont want a computer tech whose drowning to be working on my laptop. There is too much there that is valuable... Whether its stored passwords for my online banking / credit cards, info to get a new identity, or business info that I have competitors who would pay handsomely for.....

Credit goes to trust. If the bank cant trust someone, why should I ? All kidding aside, think about what most of us have on our computers - it is the answer to sombodys prayers! (Whether an illegal alien looking for a social, or a financial windfall that will solve someones problems through theft, espionage, insider trading, or blackmail.)


On the other hand, any recommendations for someone in poor financial shape that would like to resolve that situation without stooping to illegal activity?  Flipping burgers at McDonalds or driving a cab can pay the rent and is honorable employment, but takes some time to get that credit rating back up into the acceptable numbers.  I really had not planned to get divorced.


still makes no sence that divorce does that


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