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Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:25:32 PM

housesub4you

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A friend sub (no really it's a friend who asked me) was serving his Mistress. She placed him in a cage while she and another Master went to dinner. There was a lock on the cage but she did not lock it, why should she her word has always been enough.

However, the Master (who he did not know) came back into the dungeon and secured the lock before they left. Leaving him helpless if anything happened in the house while they where gone.

Now, nothing happened, but when they returned the sub was very very angry and when asked, said what happened. Of course the master denied it and when the sub was released beat the crap out of the master for risking is life.

So be it a short verison, now the Mistress and Master are demanding the sub pay medical costs, which he say FU sue me.

Me, I say F-them both. Risking a life is not in the game plan, as a sub, I have never been secured to where my life is in danger.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:35:14 PM

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Well I know that if I had been that sub, that Dom woulda been hospitalized in a big big way. I would have instantly turned him into my little bitch for a while.
I'm sorry but the sub is not wrong, not in my eyes.
That Dom was so out of line, he had no business messing with someone else's sub. The sub's Domina should have taken his word that, and she should have helped lay the smackdown on him for risking her property in such a manner.
Had this happened to me, it's probably not me that Master would need to fear, my Domina would have likely crushed his nuts for that.
i wouldn't pay his medical bills, in fact i think i would find him for seconds. It would be worth the judge ordering me to take anger managment classes.
Before anybody jumps on me, please realize that normally i am a very nonviolent, loving person. But this person jepardized this sub's safety and well being, and did so without the knowledge or consent of the Mistress. He's a scumbag, and deserves what he got.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:36:24 PM

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Dumb moves on many parts , A Mistress should have been in charge of the safe care of her submissive .The so called Master should have Never locked and left .The sub should have not resorted to physical violence .If say a fire happened there would be no escape and you have burnt caged subbie , and a manslaughter murder charge .The sub no matter his emotions and anger at the time should have just cut ties and left never to return .Your right her locked word should have been enough , this may have also been a huge mental land mine for the sub locking the cage , besides the not smart not safe aspect.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:38:55 PM

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Kidding me? If someone took it upon themselves to lock me in a cage and wander off, I'd be pissed as well.

Granted, beating someone until they need medical care is a bit over the top, but still...

I'm with the OP, F everyone, no one has any common sense in that relationship.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:39:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: azropedntied

Dumb moves on many parts , A Mistress should have been in charge of the safe care of her submissive .The so called Master should have Never locked and left .The sub should have not resorted to physical violence .If say a fire happened there would be no escape and you have burnt caged subbie , and a manslaughter murder charge .The sub no matter his emotions and anger at the time should have just cut ties and left never to return .Your right her locked word should have been enough , this may have also been a huge mental land mine for the sub locking the cage , besides the not smart not safe aspect.

That sums it up for me.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:41:27 PM

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there is no excuse for non consensual violence. none.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 12:54:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

A friend sub (no really it's a friend who asked me) was serving his Mistress. She placed him in a cage while she and another Master went to dinner. There was a lock on the cage but she did not lock it, why should she her word has always been enough.

However, the Master (who he did not know) came back into the dungeon and secured the lock before they left. Leaving him helpless if anything happened in the house while they where gone.

Now, nothing happened, but when they returned the sub was very very angry and when asked, said what happened. Of course the master denied it and when the sub was released beat the crap out of the master for risking is life.

So be it a short verison, now the Mistress and Master are demanding the sub pay medical costs, which he say FU sue me.

Me, I say F-them both. Risking a life is not in the game plan, as a sub, I have never been secured to where my life is in danger.

Just curious, but can you be a bit more specific on "beat the crap out of" and "medical bills"? There is a big difference between a bloody lip/chipped tooth/broken nose/other "minor" thing that could happen if two people start reacting harshly towards each other and things suddenly get out of hand for an instant.... and four cracked ribs and a dislocated shoulder or something.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:00:28 PM

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Somebody's out of their freaking mind.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fall into the ykinmy category. If anyone ever did that to My sub, I'd have lost My mind. No, I probably wouldn't have put the so called *master* in the hospital, but who does this to someone who has put their care into the hands of another? It should have been obvious to the Domme what had happened as soon as she had to release the lock.

Absolutely, let them sue for medical costs. (I can't believe this *mistress* still has anything to do with the *master*) Let them go right ahead in front of a judge, and tell them they put this person's life in danger in this way.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:03:58 PM

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where and when did this happen?

how do you know about it?

why didn't the 'master' go to the police?

sorry, what happened to your 'friend' isn't right, however, what he did was wrong...

all three of them are wrong --

how long did this sub know the mistress?

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:09:10 PM

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I pass on the F*ckpart,
What a bigboy that "dom" is for lying of closing the lock.

Those people got what they deserve,
how would you feel being locked in a cage, and not knowing
when they will return.

So it's understandable that he got his ass whooped!

I just hope they learned a big lesson.

and shouldn't whine about his wounds.

get real!

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:10:51 PM

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Again there are so many things wrong here. However, I do not believe the assault on the "so called Master" was legitimate or warranted. Beatings without consent are very much against law...he (the sub) wouldn't have a chance in hell in court and would not only be financially responsible, he could also face some serious criminal charges..if the damage is as bad as you state.

Keep in mind, your friend, while scared and upset, did not die in a fire nor was he physically harmed. Yes, emotional damage could have occurred, but, he also has some responsibility in this. When he saw he was being locked in...did he take any opportunity to yell for his Mistress? Did he say "safeword". Where is his responsibility in this matter...did he forget to negotiate or give his trust blindly to someone who didn't deserve it so easily?

I think everyone made mistakes in the scenario. The sub, the mistress, the master. I think the best thing they can all do is go their separate ways and learn a lesson.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:13:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

quote:

ORIGINAL: azropedntied

Dumb moves on many parts , A Mistress should have been in charge of the safe care of her submissive .The so called Master should have Never locked and left .The sub should have not resorted to physical violence .If say a fire happened there would be no escape and you have burnt caged subbie , and a manslaughter murder charge .The sub no matter his emotions and anger at the time should have just cut ties and left never to return .Your right her locked word should have been enough , this may have also been a huge mental land mine for the sub locking the cage , besides the not smart not safe aspect.

That sums it up for me.

Me also.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:18:23 PM

housesub4you

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How do I know? I know the sub, plus they sought me out for advice

Why didn't the "master" go to the police? Because he knew he was wrong, read other replies as to why.

"Your friend was wrong".... I do not think so, thier life was put in unreasonable danger for no reason. Their response should be judged as 'emotional'

The sub served the Mistress for over a year. I think she screwed up, her relationship with the "master" was very short when this happened

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:24:27 PM

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So the general consensus is that one person was right to beat the hell out of another...

There are a lot of assumptions being made, the biggest one in that the submissive was somehow in 'danger'. We were not there, neither was the person relaying this tale. I have gone out for the day/evening and left my own submissive locked in a cage, he was under the impression he was alone... yet there was always someone monitoring him (without his knowledge). So he would have been 'justified' to have beaten me senseless in a hissy fit b/c he thought I had left him alone? Shame on you all for being so damn quick to hold yourselves up as pillars of virtue.

For all we know it was a game between both dominants... I hardly think the mistress in this was unaware given that she is also demanding the submissive pay for the assaulted person's medical costs. There clearly was an established relationship between Mistress and submissive, one based on trust hence the lack of need to lock the cage - such comforting safety for the submissive... he must have been inwardly chuckling at his good fortune each time he was 'placed' in it, I'm also betting he eagerly walked there with comfort blanky in hand.

Had the submissive actually been left alone for some time and without a person monitoring him I'd have shared his anger, but not to the point he felt justified in lashing out. At that point, he would have known all he needed to regarding his relationship with his Mistress and he should have exercised the self control he expected of someone he called his dominant.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:32:50 PM

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Actually.. I don't think its the general consensus... not at all...

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:33:25 PM

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Ok your right, I was not there. However, they served this Mistress for a year, the Mistress was/is single and no one else lived with her. If there was someone else in the house for the subs saftey, this knowledge has not been released.
It is going to court, no charges have been placed by the police or other state/federal authories against the sub. Charges have been filed for endagerment against the master. I do not know the exact charges.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 1:48:34 PM

housesub4you

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Ok Ok people can stop the personal attacks to my profile mail. Jeez, I was jsut asking what people thought.

I'm no lawyer, but I have played one in bed ( very boring had to wear briefs) so stop attacking me. Jeezzzzz...

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 2:06:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

A friend sub (no really it's a friend who asked me) was serving his Mistress. She placed him in a cage while she and another Master went to dinner. There was a lock on the cage but she did not lock it, why should she her word has always been enough.

However, the Master (who he did not know) came back into the dungeon and secured the lock before they left. Leaving him helpless if anything happened in the house while they where gone.

Now, nothing happened, but when they returned the sub was very very angry and when asked, said what happened. Of course the master denied it and when the sub was released beat the crap out of the master for risking is life.

So be it a short verison, now the Mistress and Master are demanding the sub pay medical costs, which he say FU sue me.

Me, I say F-them both. Risking a life is not in the game plan, as a sub, I have never been secured to where my life is in danger.

WTF?!?!?

She knows she didn't lock the cage because she's never needed to, and it was locked when she came back. Is the cage constructed in such a way that the sub could reach through and lock it himself? If not, how is this not a big fat DUH for her?

In your friend's place, I'd tell them both to slag off and be glad I don't call the cops on them for unlawful imprisonment and reckless endangerment. Although I don't condone the sub's violence at all, I also wouldn't expect him to pay for the "master's" medical bills. Pay your own damn med bills, jerkoff, and consider it justified payment for endangering a life with your stupid little game.

I can't believe she'd accept or allow that sort of treatment to her sub. I would have absolutely gone ballistic if I'd been in her place.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 2:17:09 PM

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I've always been a fan of Street Justice. Granted, the sub was wrong to hospitalize the guy, but I still think the Mistress was wrong to assume that the sub (of a whole year) would lock himself in the cage, then "lash out" at the Master. Captain Obvious strikes again, deep, deep inside the Common Sense Compound.

Although most of the facts/details are not known, I find all three to be at fault. The Mistress for negligence (since obviously that's not what the sub agreed to), the Master for illegally detaining someone, and the sub for excessive use of force.

I agree that no matter what has happened, it should be left at that, and all three parties go their seperate ways.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

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RE: Who's wrong???? - 6/4/2008 2:29:51 PM

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The master was wrong for putting the slave at risk like that.

The slave is wrong for the assault and should pay medical costs.

Neither negates the other.

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