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Lynnxz -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/10/2008 1:35:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hanable

and go where redmagic? i live near a town that has no homeless shelter.. none of my relitives live any where close.. none of my friends can take me in.. so you tell me.. if im gonna move out.. where am i gonna move to? i have no job.. i cant find one. i dont own my car.. paying my dad for it still..

if you think its just so easy for me to move out.. u tell me where shall i go? tell me.. if ur so much smarter then me.. u tell me where to go so i can start over..

H >:)


1) Find job
2) Buy car
3) Move out
4) ???
5) Profit!!

Seriously though.

What are you doing to change your situation?




RedMagic1 -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/10/2008 1:38:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkVictory
Imagine her having the sheer and unmitigated gall to not agree with you!  And to then be able to back up her opinion with wit, sarcasm, and logic!  What a crass demonstration of intellect and education.

You, sir, are biased... and correct.




abcbsex -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/10/2008 3:08:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hanable

and go where redmagic? i live near a town that has no homeless shelter.. none of my relitives live any where close.. none of my friends can take me in.. so you tell me.. if im gonna move out.. where am i gonna move to? i have no job.. i cant find one. i dont own my car.. paying my dad for it still..

if you think its just so easy for me to move out.. u tell me where shall i go? tell me.. if ur so much smarter then me.. u tell me where to go so i can start over..

H >:)


Every time you post you're showing that 19 year olds shouldn't be considered adult enough to participate in bdsm social groups, and I'm saying that as a 19 year old, so it makes me sad for us. There's no point complaining, just work on changing it. And don't complain if you can't, an internet forum isn't the place to solve your problems.




softness -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/10/2008 3:46:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: abcbsex

Every time you post you're showing that 19 year olds shouldn't be considered adult enough to participate in bdsm social groups, and I'm saying that as a 19 year old, so it makes me sad for us. There's no point complaining, just work on changing it. And don't complain if you can't, an internet forum isn't the place to solve your problems.



thankyou .... as an ex 19 year old in the lifestyle who had to prove herself  "worthy" again and again ... it bites ass when you have to swin upstream all the time because the flood of public opnion is we are all like that

thing is Han ... while you dont want there to be a solution, there will never be one ... as soon as you decide you want a solution and set out to find one that works .. one will come along

and its as simple as that ... you are only being defeated by your own defeatism




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/10/2008 7:59:15 PM)

there is place and time for everything  if you rush it  you will fail if you do not take time to learn  it  you will never get it. Some people are to proud or think headed to find the right path to greatness. Even though you swam up stream  you learned more then most have swimming down :)




Hanable -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 9:46:37 AM)

i could go on a rant about all of this.. but im not.. cuz this isnt the place to do so. but i will say this.. u wanna bitch and rant at me cuz u think im stupid or lazy or im not trying.. u message me and tell me what u think i should do.. plzz.. enlighten me as to what im doing wrong.

H >:)




thetammyjo -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 12:06:45 PM)

Just as a side note to these entire age discussion....

I got Fox when he was 19 and after 8 months of training we signed our ownership contract. I've trained and played with folks much older than him but none were as mature as him when it came to knowing what they wanted and being wiling to do the work to make DS especially 24/7 type function darned well for almost 9 years now.




BrigandDoom -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 2:51:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hanable

and go where redmagic? i live near a town that has no homeless shelter.. none of my relitives live any where close.. none of my friends can take me in.. so you tell me.. if im gonna move out.. where am i gonna move to? i have no job.. i cant find one. i dont own my car.. paying my dad for it still..

if you think its just so easy for me to move out.. u tell me where shall i go? tell me.. if ur so much smarter then me.. u tell me where to go so i can start over..

H >:)


I moved home in order to get a job, I lived in a hostel for 4 weeks with all sorts including alcoholicsm vagrants, ex-cons. I found a job quickly, found decent accomodation quickly and I never looked back. That was at the age of 18, it wasn't an easy choice but I knew what I had to do if I wanted a good job with prospects.




impishlilhellcat -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 7:15:22 PM)

Just out of curiosity hanable why can you not find a job? Is it because you don't have a car? What about public transportation? Are you being too picky when you chose a job sometimes you just have to start at the bottom? My mom always taught me where there's a will there's a way. No job go get one it's a step towards freedom and a whole new life... No care take the bus... my mom made me take the bus. She said she did it with a baby there was no reason I couldn't do it. You can't live your whole life like this and it will never get better unless you start taking steps and they may be small baby steps but if you don't you will always be stuck.




impishlilhellcat -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 7:17:20 PM)

Just as an additional note no one can solve your problems but YOU. No one can make your life worth living. Sometimes you have to deal with the bull crap life sends your way to find the gem.




Saint -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 7:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hanable

i could go on a rant about all of this.. but im not.. cuz this isnt the place to do so. but i will say this.. u wanna bitch and rant at me cuz u think im stupid or lazy or im not trying.. u message me and tell me what u think i should do.. plzz.. enlighten me as to what im doing wrong.

H >:)


Some serious advice Hanable. This may sound flip but as soon as you make the decision in your own mind to improve your life, you will begin to do so. I blew my knees out tremendously at the age of 19, spent 5 years learning how to walk unaided, went to college during this time and got my associates degree and started work as a telemarketer. Once I started walking again I took a job in lawn maintenance for a year, moved from there to a delivery driver, from there to a 20 hour per week office assistant position. I took that office position and made myself invaluable and moved my hours up to 40, networked myself out to everyone in authority I came into contact with, spent two years doing that and just finally took a full-time position as a Job Placement Case Manager in a state with the worst unemployment level in the nation. I am now working full-time, going to school time and a half to get my bachelors degree and still networking out for bigger and better things. I do not seek recognition for these things because quite frankly, I have been busting my ass for the last 6 years and putting myself 50 grand in debt to achieve my education.

My point here is this, I had to make these decisions for me. It is not easy to do when you are starting out, but once I made that decision that I wanted more out of life, it began to happen. Not because anyone gave a damn, but because I wanted it to happen. I made opportunities available to me and I became the architect of my own life. You have to do the same if you wish to get anywhere in this life. You have to take that responsiblity for yourself and run with it no matter how hard it seems at times. When you make that decision for change, your life will start progressing.




Hanable -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 7:40:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: impishlilhellcat

Just out of curiosity hanable why can you not find a job? Is it because you don't have a car? What about public transportation? Are you being too picky when you chose a job sometimes you just have to start at the bottom? My mom always taught me where there's a will there's a way. No job go get one it's a step towards freedom and a whole new life... No care take the bus... my mom made me take the bus. She said she did it with a baby there was no reason I couldn't do it. You can't live your whole life like this and it will never get better unless you start taking steps and they may be small baby steps but if you don't you will always be stuck.


ok.. im jsut gonna take ur post question by question.. jsut to cover my bases.

1.) im paying my dad for my car so.. technilly no i dont own my car.. but i do have one.

2.) i live 8 miles from the nearest town.. and that town has no public transport.

3.) i do not believe im being picky at all.. ive applied at every place that ive seen a want sign or heard that they were hiering so.. no i dont think im being picky.

4.) i know i cant live my life like this and i dont want to.. i keep asking for ideas but when i say ive tried an idea someone gives me.. or say theres nothing like that in my area ppl jsut start bitching at me and telling me im jsut making excuses.

there fore im asking if any one wants to bitch or complain at me about my aditude or my outlook.. message me onthe other side.. so i can read ur thoughts.. and either ignore them reply or jsut plain delete them.

H >:)




lostgirl83 -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 9:21:59 PM)

As many of the "older men" love to point out on this website, age is just a number. i started young, i knew who i was and where i belonged. Yes, there are some people who love to take advantage of the young and inexperienced, but i think the issue we should be looking at is not limiting age, but how to keep them safe and well informed. From personal experience i know that as a teenager, it didn't matter what people told me, if i wanted to do something or experience something new, i was going to find a way to do it. The best thing you can do is make sure the young 'uns are well prepared.




Racquelle -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 9:37:06 PM)

Especially when we are speaking of young women, we fear they will be "taken advantage of"  because we know it is unlikely they have been aculturated to be self-posessed.  In this culture (the modern U.S.) and others, women are not brought up with an attitude of personal empowerment, and are especially disposessed of their own sexual selves - not universally of course, but enough so that we collectively gasp at the thought of a young woman being put upon by a dastardly old pervert.  The problem isn't youth.  It isn't age.  It is that we allow half our species to be hobbled by the paradigms of old.  But, these paradigms don't just harm women.  They force young men into roles they didn't choose for themselves either.  The one thing I adore about the "lifestyle" is that it puts all of us in a position of being a great deal more intentional about what we are doing, and who we are doing it with.   Yet, I must admit, I snicker a little at the profiles of 20 year old dominants.  Part of me just wants to say "son, can you carry this heavy box out to my garage?"




adorableisotope -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 9:49:00 PM)

Honestly, the problem with this sort of thing, as certainly others have mentioned, is that one would have to deal with this subject on a case-by-case basis.

I had a fairly developed diaper fetish by the time I was 7, for example.  By 12, it was cemented in and had become a genuine part of who I was.  And at some point in my early 20's I finally succumbed and learned to accept and love it.  ;)

Every human being, by definition of humanity, is distinctly different.  As a fetishist and kinkster extraordinaire, I can say I've seen 50 year old men who make me ashamed of some of the things I like based solely on their behavior.  But by that same right, I've known 17 year olds sneaking onto adult sites with more poise and professionalism in their attitudes than the "normal" end of internet decency fetishists.

As others have said, there is a real and terrible danger associated with the carnivores of alt life.  An 18 year old sub who's never heard of  safeword locked in a room with a 49 year old sadistic dom/me is not going to end very well for the sub, and in some cases, the dom/me might get what they deserve in legal retaliation.  I don't think that should stop us from embracing our fledgeling kinksters, though.

Here's an idea I'm stealing from my older brother.  My brother, in his second attempt at college life, joined a prominent fraternity.  I consider myself as anti-frat as one can be.  But the thing is, his frat, while being a frat, was a very forward-thinking fraternity.  Yes, they gave the typical wild parties.  The thing is, though, they made them SAFE.  One or more members of the fraternity (depending on the size of said party) would take it in turns to bow out of the festivities in exchange for being a designated driver.  They would recruit upstanding people from other fraternities and clubs just to help them ferry people back and forth from the campus.
One could say that they were only aiding the students in participating in illicit activities, but any right-minded person can tell you that the kind of person who's going to go to a party is going to go to the party whether they have a driver or not.

This is something we need to build on in our communities.  I think there's a genuine need to allow the younglings into our nests, but we also need to do it in such a manner as their wings aren't irreversibly clipped.  Identifying strong figures and enlisting their aid to keep events safe for all attendees is a good place to start.  Then the enormous and fantastic trial of weeding out the carnivores...  Of course, this may not be a problem since I've seen less of the carnivores in "real life" where there are real reprecussions to their actions.

This all said, if one were to undergo this task, one would also have to put down enough safegaurds to keep the "secret police" from becoming BDSM Gestapo.

Sigh, sometimes it's hard to be a responsible kink!




Racquelle -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/11/2008 9:54:04 PM)

This message is really just for Hanable:  The years from about 17-20 are a rocky, difficult time, where we wobble like colts on new legs, fall down, get back up, and eventually run.  If you asked me at 20 how I felt about my mother, I was pretty sure she and I would NEVER be able to be civil with one another.  We hurt one another terribly, for all the right reasons - she loved me and wanted me safe, and I needed to learn how to be an adult - but this is a time when those two noble and appropriate goals contradict one another so deeply that there seems almost no solution.  This is the solution: time.  You will get it together and she will let go eventually.  I am very lucky that despite the terrible emotional damage we inflicted when I was that age, she has always been there to help me when I needed it.  Do the best you can each day, and love her to the best of your ability.  The only way through it is through it.




zelia -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/12/2008 5:57:02 AM)

We got the internet at home when I was 13, thats almost 12 years ago now. Of course being the only person who actually knew how to use it, I found porn at that very young age. By the time I started exploring into the BDSM chatrooms at 15, I knew exactly what turned me on at that point - and being still in school wasn't able to find it around me. I spoke to my ex online for a year before we met, He was dominate over me other in those IM converstations and the phone calls we had.

When I turned 16, being legal in the UK, we began exporing the sexual side. He was 24 years older than me, but this never mattered at any point of our relationship. At 18 when I had completed school, he housed me out in America, close to where he lived and I was kept as his mistress. The entire time I worked, and followed my education - he didn't want me to miss out on anything just because I'd found a Master at such an early age. We were together until last year, when we decided it was better for me to return home. I was very homesick after losing some family members.

Would I have waited a few more years if I could go back? No. I don't think so. I think I was extremely lucky in finding a Dom that was happy to keep me as a pet on one hand, but understood that I was still very young and made sure I knew the world and how to support myself in the real world as well.

As long as you look at the teenage girls and understand that by the time they hit 24/25 like me, they are going to be very different people - there is no reason why they can't explore their needs and wants just like we do. It's all a part of growing up.




mhawk -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/12/2008 8:15:55 AM)

well i personally think that discovering yourself and what you are in the lifestyle at any age can be a good thing.  but on a more personal note. i am less likely to consider someone dominate over me if i am old enough to be their parent.that's jsut how i am though. to each their own is the most i can really say. even in non bdsm relationships i have  astric policy,if you can't buy your own cigs or own beer and wine,i'm not the person to ask




Hanable -> RE: 19 year olds in the lifestyle (6/12/2008 10:32:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Racquelle

This message is really just for Hanable:  The years from about 17-20 are a rocky, difficult time, where we wobble like colts on new legs, fall down, get back up, and eventually run.  If you asked me at 20 how I felt about my mother, I was pretty sure she and I would NEVER be able to be civil with one another.  We hurt one another terribly, for all the right reasons - she loved me and wanted me safe, and I needed to learn how to be an adult - but this is a time when those two noble and appropriate goals contradict one another so deeply that there seems almost no solution.  This is the solution: time.  You will get it together and she will let go eventually.  I am very lucky that despite the terrible emotional damage we inflicted when I was that age, she has always been there to help me when I needed it.  Do the best you can each day, and love her to the best of your ability.  The only way through it is through it.


i dont think i will ever be able to be civil with my mother.. not becuz of how she treats me.. but becuz of how she acts towards me. she screams and yells at me cuz i wont grow up then she bitches and cries when i try to grow up. she claims it becuz shes bi polar but i dont know any more.. really i dont.

H >:)




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