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Irishknight -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 3:02:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: And, DA is right. I would be out sandbagging and fighting for my community. I would come help you do the same thing to protect your community if it was needed. What I won't do is do it FOR you. I will work BESIDE you but not INSTEAD of you. Does that not make sense? Makes perfect sense. But then, I'm the sort who refuses to be a victim of anything (except bad luck at cards). Wanna come over for poker night?

Gwynvyd -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 3:05:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Big deal there have already been songs about New Orleans... Here is my FAVORITE Music Video about Katrina and the best song yet written about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zO7JLFzOqE Now, that the water has been receeded for almost 3 years- it is time to either get a job and start paying their own way or to leave Houston and to go home and start cleaning up... By the way, when you choose to live in a swamp that is below sea level, and surrounded on three sides by water... Flooding is inevitable. They cant even bury their dead below ground because they are below sea level hence the crypts... As for them not being able to evacuate - NOT MY PROBLEM. My Four Wheel Drive Eddie Bauer Explorer, which would get me out of just about any terrain / storm and which I have driven places angels would fear to tread costs me $462 a month - thats just three crack rocks a day!!! Thats right, if the folks in NOLA would have smoked just three less crack rocks a day they could have had themselves a 4x4 SUV with seating for five, complete with Goodyear Wrangler All Terrain Tires, sunroof, leather interior, lots of cargo space complete with toneua cover, and even a roof rack to store those bulky looted items that just dont fit in the back. LOL Thats evacuation in style.... I didnt watch the video.. but yep.. it is offical.. you are a true lost case. Iggy worthy on the forum side. Damn.. there goes annother one. Pretentious jackasses should have awful things befall them that they cant just "pull themselves up by thier boot straps" They might learn some humility.. and that poor people are people in fact.. and not all of them ( nor blacks) are smoking crack rock. What a surprise. Wanker. Gwyn

celticlord2112 -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 3:06:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: And, DA is right. I would be out sandbagging and fighting for my community. I would come help you do the same thing to protect your community if it was needed. What I won't do is do it FOR you. I will work BESIDE you but not INSTEAD of you. Does that not make sense? Makes perfect sense. But then, I'm the sort who refuses to be a victim of anything (except bad luck at cards). Wanna come over for poker night? Sure....(I didn't say how OFTEN I have bad luck at cards, ya know! [;)])

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:09:36 PM)
quote: Pretentious jackasses should have awful things befall them that they cant just "pull themselves up by thier boot straps" They might learn some humility.. and that poor people are people in fact.. and not all of them ( nor blacks) are smoking crack rock. Damn right they should. There may be some truth in what every poster says, but it is only 'some' of the truth. Fact is, yes Louisiana politics is corrupt. Hell, there was once a Governor who ran with the slogan "Yes, I'm a crook, but I'm the crook you know." Or other such nonsense, and people kept voting for him. All in all, I can't think of a single State/City government that isn't. Still, there is a helluva lot more to New Orleans than the few blocks of French Quarter that so many base their perceptions and knowledge of New Orleans on. It is a big city, with good and not so good people in it. Try keeping in mind that the tragedy hit more than the FEMA leeches who are out of state living off Disaster dollars. And for the record, people did work their asses off to try and save their homes, their families and to rebuild, and to survive. GOOD people. Not a few of them my family members and friends. To imply that the people of New Orleans are lagely all fat lazy fucks scamming the govenment, or worthless poor people who deserve what they had coming, is as ignorant as the stereotype you are fostering. Get off your high horse, or rather your gas guzzling SUV and pull your head out of your ass. Further, $15.40 a day? With gas prices at $4.00 a gallon? Add on the cost of insurance and license fees and maintenance and your $15.40 snowballs into a large enough expense that even families making decent wages find hard to manage. You know, people YOU deem worthy to exist. You can afford to purchase a top of the line, SUV. Good for you. That's grand. Hold your head up high,and take pride in your ride, but it certainly doesn't make you better than the person who can't afford it. I usually stay out of these little poltical tirades that people on Collar Me seem to like to have, and I'm sure I'll wish I had this time as well. It just amazes me some of the things that spew out of the mouths of arrogant assholes. Yep, it pisses me off to no end that the Superdome was rebuilt, and schools and hospitals left to crumble. That the casinos were up in record time, and that the Government was paying out on fraud charges. People are jackasses all over the place. That is just one piece of the overall tragedy, however, and quite frankly focusing on that is just a crutch to prop up many a fallible logic.

Alumbrado -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:10:50 PM)
And what does ignoring it prop up?

Irishknight -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance And for the record, people did work their asses off to try and save their homes, their families and to rebuild, and to survive. GOOD people. And those people deserve a helping hand if they need it. The unfortunate part is that most of them will have rebuilt by the time they ever see a dime because of the people I am talking about.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:15:18 PM)
quote: And what does ignoring it prop up? The other leg/half of the problem...

Alumbrado -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:18:07 PM)
I do appreciate that to be the case.

DomAviator -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:33:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance Get off your high horse, or rather your gas guzzling SUV and pull your head out of your ass. Further, $15.40 a day? With gas prices at $4.00 a gallon? Add on the cost of insurance and license fees and maintenance and your $15.40 snowballs into a large enough expense that even families making decent wages find hard to manage. $4 a gallon gas. Hmmmm 12 mpg x 10 gallons X $4 = $40 for five people evacuated 120 miles inland. Soooooo ya'll chip in $8 a head and ya stay dry :) Insurance - $63 a month for the Eddie Bauer - full coverage via eSurance. (It pays to keep a clean driving record.) So thats an extra $2.10 a day to insure my truck. Texas registration - including Harris County surcharge - $55 a year which is a paltry 15 cents per day... Lousiana is cheaper. Maintenence - 36 month 36,000 mile bumper to bumper 60 month 60,000 mile engine and powertrain warranty. Annual Safety and emissions inspection (which lousiana doesnt have 39.95 11 cents a day/. I stand corrected Vehicle Payment - $15.40 Full Coverage Insurance 2.10 Registration 15 cents Inspection 11 cents REVISED COST FOR EDDIE BAUER EXPLORER: $17.76 per day. So, its not 3 crack rocks its 3-1/2... My bad. LOL Of course thats not to say they couldnt own a USED car, carry minumum liability insurance, etc... But to ride in style is $17.76 per day... Then again, I suppose if they own an Eddie Bauer Explorer they might not get the govt cheese and god knows they love that govt cheese - its how they maintain those girlish figures... LMFAO Edited to add: as a capitalist pig with an MBA, I love cost analysis... It blows so many holes in so many liberal arguments. You know my dental insurance is just $1.81 a day??? Well worth it for my $24,412 smile.. [:D] But by god the govt needs to provide health care!!!!!!! LOL

cjan -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:34:18 PM)
Alumbrado, to go off topic for a mo', why do you display an image of the Buddha as your avatar ? A man who, I'm sure you know, valued compassion as a quality to be cultivated above all others ? I ask this in all sincerity and have asked it before, but you have not answered.

popeye1250 -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:36:24 PM)
Winsome, he did have a few good points there. How can you help someone else much less yourself if you're in such bad shape physically that you can't walk 100 yards? I don't mean "infirm" either. Someone e-mailed me a "comparison" of NOLA and the floods in the Dakotas the year after and how the two responses by the people there were so much more different! I wish I could find it but I have about 16,000 e-mails in my yahoo mail.

Alumbrado -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 4:44:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cjan Alumbrado, to go off topic for a mo', why do you display an image of the Buddha as your avatar ? A man who, I'm sure you know, valued compassion as a quality to be cultivated above all others ? I ask this in all sincerity and have asked it before, but you have not answered. What has CollarMe's stock avatar got to do with your lack of compassion for the Katrina victims? And BTW, it is Kwan Yin who is the champion of compassion...Buddha would of course hold enlightenment above all else... you might try thinking about the link between that fact and my nick (hint: enlightenment is impossible as long as one continues to fall for false illusions)... although the cynic in me can't help but wonder if you didn't already know that and were just tossing out more misinformation.

cjan -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 6:13:41 PM)
Alumbrado, you didn't answer my question but, I can understand why you might not want to do so. As we all know, CM has many stock avatars to chose from, I'm curious as to why you chose that one. I have no lack of compassion for Katrina's victims, be they in La., Ms, Al, Oh, or Kentucky. I've said so , repeatedly, in this thread. I'm sure you're aware of that, if you choose to ignore it, so be it. Again, imo, to cherry pick facts or to tell partial truths knowingly is intellectually dishonest. Yes, Kwan Yin is the Boddhisatva of compassion. What the Buddha said to be "the goal" of spiritual practice is, in his words, " total deliverance of the mind", sometimes called "enlightenment". Nevertheless, he taught that, among other things, compassion was to be cultivated first and foremost amongst human qualities as a cornerstone for spiritual practice and progress. It is part of the foundation upon which practice toward"total deliverance of the mind" is built. In other words, no compassion, no "enlightenment". Seems quite obvious, doesn't it ? As long as we perceive ourselves as being separate from others, we perpetuate our separation and perceived isolation. Finally, illusions, which we are all vulnerable to are less serious impediments to "enlightenment" or even a less exalted state of clarity than delusions, which are self deceptions that we create, cling to and protect, at all costs, as being "me" and "mine". Btw, sir, are you familiar with the "Metta Sutra"? Here is a link to it. It is, as suggested by the Buddha, a foundation for spiritual prctice and development. http://dharma.ncf.ca/introduction/sutras/metta-sutra.html

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 6:58:17 PM)
I stand corrected Vehicle Payment - $15.40 Full Coverage Insurance 2.10 Registration 15 cents Inspection 11 cents A man with the balls to preach about the poor out of one side of his ass, while grinning with a $24,412 smile.. Priceless.

popeye1250 -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:06:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Big deal there have already been songs about New Orleans... Here is my FAVORITE Music Video about Katrina and the best song yet written about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zO7JLFzOqE Now, that the water has been receeded for almost 3 years- it is time to either get a job and start paying their own way or to leave Houston and to go home and start cleaning up... By the way, when you choose to live in a swamp that is below sea level, and surrounded on three sides by water... Flooding is inevitable. They cant even bury their dead below ground because they are below sea level hence the crypts... As for them not being able to evacuate - NOT MY PROBLEM. My Four Wheel Drive Eddie Bauer Explorer, which would get me out of just about any terrain / storm and which I have driven places angels would fear to tread costs me $462 a month - thats just three crack rocks a day!!! Thats right, if the folks in NOLA would have smoked just three less crack rocks a day they could have had themselves a 4x4 SUV with seating for five, complete with Goodyear Wrangler All Terrain Tires, sunroof, leather interior, lots of cargo space complete with toneua cover, and even a roof rack to store those bulky looted items that just dont fit in the back. LOL Thats evacuation in style.... I didnt watch the video.. but yep.. it is offical.. you are a true lost case. Iggy worthy on the forum side. Damn.. there goes annother one. Pretentious jackasses should have awful things befall them that they cant just "pull themselves up by thier boot straps" They might learn some humility.. and that poor people are people in fact.. and not all of them ( nor blacks) are smoking crack rock. What a surprise. Wanker. Gwyn Gwyn, D.A. does have a point about the drugs. They even said on the News (many times) that NOLA was loaded with drugs and the Mayor, Ray Nagin said on television that lots of junkies would be "Jonesin' " from not having any drugs. And they caught a lot of pushers on the buses going to Houston with large amounts of drugs and cash on them! And after they got to Houston crime skyrocketed! Do you think a druggie who's "Jonesin' " from a lack of drugs is going to be much help to their neighbors? If you want to feel sorry for druggies go right ahead.

DomAviator -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:13:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance I stand corrected Vehicle Payment - $15.40 Full Coverage Insurance 2.10 Registration 15 cents Inspection 11 cents A man with the balls to preach about the poor out of one side of his ass, while grinning with a $24,412 smile.. Priceless. I make no apologies for my $24,412 smile... The implants, invisilign braces, bonding, etc was WELL worth it and shows what an excellent investment my $1.81 a day dental insurance was. Its also indicative of yet another example of how we don't need to help these "poor souls" because for $1.81 a day I was able to provide my own insurance. They dont need hand outs, they need to get a job and to ante up $1.81 a day and they too can have $24,412 worth of cosmetic dental work [:D]

cjan -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:26:36 PM)
Gee, DA, tell the whole truth,please. Being a career naval officer, you had just a li'l help fom the gov'ment, didn't ya, sir ? And your continued retirement benefits and privileges i.e. , health care, dental and PX shopping are also gov'ment (read tax payer) subsidized.Please correct me if I'm wrong. And , please, don't misunderstand me. I in no way begrudge your retirement pay and subsidies. I think veterans deserve benefits and care that many, less fortunate than yourself, do not receive. But, to suggest that you are in some way a wholey self-made success story is not accurate is it ? And to suggest, further, that the playing field for you and for those less fortunate citizens is level is disingenuous and , yes, intellectually dishonest.

DomAviator -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:38:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cjan Gee, DA, tell the whole truth,please. Being a career naval officer, you had just a li'l help fom the gov'ment, didn't ya, sir ? And your continued retirement benefits and privileges i.e. , health care, dental and PX shopping are also gov'ment (read tax payer) subsidized.Please correct me if I'm wrong. And , please, don't misunderstand me. I in no way begrudge your retirement pay and subsidies. I think veterans deserve benefits and care that many, less fortunate than yourself, do not receive. But, to suggest that you are in some way a wholey self-made success story is not accurate is it ? And to suggest, further, that the playing field for you and for those less fortunate citizens is level is disingenuous and , yes, intellectually dishonest. You are wrong. I am not retired from the navy I did 12 not 20, and then got out for a better deal in the private sector. In fact I did 8, left for the reserves, was recalled to active duty, then went back out this time to non-drilling IRR reserve status, I draw no retirement, subsidies, healthcare etc... My dental plan is in fact through Aetna , not the US Govt. I shop at HEB, Krogrers, or Walmart not the Navy Exchange. So yes, I am in fact a self made success... I got my flight training from the Navy, and then when I left I took what I learned to earn a comfortable living in the private sector. When I left the Navy the first time I picked up a job flying fixed wing air ambulance in LearJets, and I started a side business in training/ safety consulting / and crew leasing which I grew into a lucrative full time gig... Navy training is recognized as the best in the world, so industry was quite eager to accept my services with open arms as they do for most vets. Anyone can duplicate what I have done, even if ones military training was as a welder, pipefitter, barber, auto mechanic etc... When my dad finally left the Navy, which was just as I was entering... He opened a commercial diving business where he made a comfortable living doing underwater ships husbandry. He had a GED which he earned while in the service as he quit HS to join....

popeye1250 -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:45:03 PM)
Cjan, I joined the military because at that time I really didn't have any options that would lead to anything. As it turns out it was probably, no, was, the best thing I ever did for myself. And in those days when Vietnam was going on most people didn't want to do it. Sometimes there were 200-400 guys getting killed per week. I know it's not for everyone but the oportunity is there for everyone if they want to take it. It's another way out of poverty or a stepping stone to something better. Sure, there's always the possibility that you "may" be blown to pieces or be horribly wounded but you could be hit by a bus on the way to work too. So, for anyone who wants to better themselves it is an option and yes, some of the benefits are pretty good but it can be very dangerous at times. They're still way underpaid compared to the DPS (Dreaded Private Sector.)

cjan -> RE: "The City That Care Forgot" (6/7/2008 7:59:29 PM)
I happen to agree with both of you, popeye and DA that military service and training are a great way to improve one's lot in life. I think it is often a good choice for many young people, although, under current conditions, I would caution people to be prudent about enlisting. I have a lot of respect for veterans, am grateful for their service, in war and peace and support veterans' benefits wholeheartedly. DA, sorry to have misjudged your personal accomplishments by making assumptions that proved incorrect.

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