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Alumbrado -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 7:14:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bashfulhuck For those that complain the SCA is only about drinking and getting laid, they haven't taken the time to investigate the amazing artistry that alot of people exhibit, or the huge amounts of knowledge about history, or the hour upon hours of training it takes to become a great fighter, wether it's heavy, fencing or archery. Don't take this personally, but I've been 'investigating' the SCA since about 1972...how many years and groups experience are you basing your opinions on? There are a small handful of people in the SCA who's research, or fighting, or music, or other artistry would last more than 10 seconds in the outside world. I've met some of them, and find that they are so rare, that the rest of the SCA has to make excuses as to why they can't fight like Bearkiller (much less like the Dog Brothers...no armor, just rattan on skin), or why one of the finest metalsmiths out there is still 'apprenticed' 15 years in, to someone who still has to ask him questions, or why the vast majority of the laurels who are 'bards' can't even get a gig at the local coffee shop, much less pass the audition for graduate school on their chosen instruments. And that is fine, the SCA was supposed to be a level and safe playing field for dilettante hobbyists, and out of shape untrained weekend warriors, and strictly for fun with like minded amateur enthusiasts. When someone comes along who really is an expert, they should be having fun too. The Dream was never supposed to be about substituting imaginary rank and awards for real life, but sadly, that is exactly what it has turned into. People should just go have fun, and quit thinking that any of it is real. (Except of course, the drinking and food and getting laid part... that is very real)

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 8:07:38 AM)
Folks should also keep in mind how the SCA started. Lest we all forget our rather humble beginnings : It wasn't some huge "let's form a non-profit for education to teach people about the middle ages." It was "we love having these custom party bardic circles every couple of weekends in the back yard - anyone got an idea of how we can turn the costuming cost into a rightoff?"

mhawk -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 8:25:01 AM)
i promise i won't break out into old SCA songs,can't stand them anyway. i know what you mean.i left the SCA years ago,back in the 90's.I had been asked to be my realm's Queens personal guard and when my battlegroup found out they spread some really nasty things around about me at the time.between the drunks,anti-wiccans,sexisits and alot of the unreported cases of rape,I got just plain sick and tired of it.and also the parents who let their 4 year olds run around unatteneded at 2 am so they could go drink and then state the next day they are concerned for the kids safety. it just got to be too much for me to willingly stomach.i've been out of the SCA for over 10 years now.

bashfulhuck -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 10:57:07 AM)
Alumbrado, sorry you have such a low opinion of things. But to say that the SCA has very few good or great athletes in it's ranks tells me you truly have not been to many SCA events. Yes there are alot of weekend warriors out there. But you go to an An Tir Crown tournament, and watch past the 2nd round of fighting, and you will start to see a group of very very dedicated men and women in fantastci conditioning, that are extremely good at what they do. I've watched the Dog Brothers videos, and I do respect them, but there is a huge difference between the diameter in rattan they use and what we use. I've also watched their skill level, and to be honest, not pissing on anything here, but I'm not at all impressed with the average person at those event. I preface this on the fact that I've been a bouncer now for 20 years, and have been in far more than my fair share of scraps. I know a good fighter when I see one. As far as the artisens, and your disdain for their talent, go to a Kingdom level arts and sciences competition. Those people are world class artisens, alot of them are recognized for their skill outside of the SCA. I hate that I am having to step in here and defend my choice in hobbies, but you guys should actually grow up a little and stop pissing all over other people's choices in fun. Sounds to me more like sour grapes if you ask me. You tried to play, weren't recognized like you felt you should have been, and now you go around badmouthing. I go to events, I suit up, I fight, have a blast, hang out with my friends, have a couple of beers, eat good food, play a little chess, and drum a little. Sounds like a heck of a great time to me.. If it's not your bag, no sweat, but also no need to go slamming it. For those that go around complaining of the politics involved, I don't have problems with it, why do you? Someone doesn't like you? Big deal, there are plenty out there that don't like me. I don't lose sleep over it at night. Someone said something bad about you at an SCA event? If that's the first time that's ever happened to you in your life, you lived in a bubble until you went to an SCA event. Someone takes the game to seriously and can't distinguish reality from the SCA? Like I haven't seen that within the BDSM world. Those people have absolutley no effect on my life, or on my fun. I've noticed in my years in the SCA the people that badmouth it, are usually people with a huge ego, and they didn't get the attention they wanted. Usually it's somebody that thinks they are some great martial artist, they get in armor for the first time bragging about how they are a black belt in this and a black belt in that, and they get their asses handed to them on a platter by people they think should not be able to compete with them. Then they get pissy about it, and run off talking smack. I myself recognize there are people out there far better than me as a fighter in the SCA, but I don't get pissed about it, I just try to learn and improve. I've heard so many people come into the SCA claiming they are an expert fighter, and by God you should listen to me because I KNOW...And they get upset because nobody listens to them. For me, you want to prove to me you're an expert fighter, suit up and beat me over and over again. Then show a little Knightly humility, and teach me what you are doing right. Those that run around running their mouths about how badass a fighter they are on message boards are usually nothing more than board warriors trying to impress the ladies. the bashful one (and yes there are times when i can show my teeth)

Alumbrado -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 12:19:54 PM)
I notice you dodged my question, and started blustering about how dangerous you are from behind the safety of your keyboard... But so far the one running their mouth about being a badass fighter is you. Is such braggadoccio in comport with the aspiration of one truly versed in the ways of chivalry? Or is all that just hype that falls apart at the first sign of a question that threatens one's ego? How 'knightly' is that? And dismissing the many complaints from women about getting plied with mead and wine at events and waking up in a strange tent with some 'Lord' on top of her as 'sour grapes' is again, chivalrous exactly how? So just what are you learning from these 'great' fighters?...'Too light M'Lawd' from inside a dented helm? Rhino much? Being told 'Don't bother doing what Xxxxxx does, it won't work..he just got lucky all those thousands of matches and 5 or 6 Crown Lists...'? Learning to be a 'twue' fighter who never guards their back or other openings because the rules protect them? Learning that while law enforcement and military trainers from around the world are completely ignoring the SCA as a source of combative knowledge, but they are training the way the Dog Brothers among others have developed, you can resort to cheezy excuses about 'bigger sticks' and petty put downs to show your 'expertise'? Show me a world class museum that asks the SCA to go over their acquisitions, or check behind their researchers. (Not individual members who got their skills and knowledge from outside the SCA, but the group itself whose expertise you tout.) Show me a university history department that asks the SCA to sit in on their interviews for faculty candidates, or to review journal articles. Show me any professional level organization that treats the SCA as a whole with the awe you profess. Show me anyone other than the manager of a theater getting ready to open the next Pirates movie who turns to their assistant and says... 'We're in trouble, better call the SCA'. Thanks for proving my point about not having a clue as to what the Dream once was.

Irishknight -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 12:32:43 PM)
As I said before, I have many friends in the SCA. If its your bag, more power to you. I prefer a different system. I have friends who were in the SCA when it began. Amazingly enough, they tell me it started out closer to a LARP than to what it is today. Just an aside, the combat in most groups I've seen is far from accurate. If I take your leg out with a sword, you won't drop down and continue to fight. You'll bleed to death while I stand 10 to 15 feet away. We refer to that as "midget fighting." There is much to like but also much to dislike about the SCA and you have to sift through groups until you find one that fits you.

Alumbrado -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 12:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight As I said before, I have many friends in the SCA. If its your bag, more power to you. I prefer a different system. I have friends who were in the SCA when it began. Amazingly enough, they tell me it started out closer to a LARP than to what it is today. Just an aside, the combat in most groups I've seen is far from accurate. If I take your leg out with a sword, you won't drop down and continue to fight. You'll bleed to death while I stand 10 to 15 feet away. We refer to that as "midget fighting." There is much to like but also much to dislike about the SCA and you have to sift through groups until you find one that fits you. And that is exactly right...what is to like is the chance to go have fun, relax and make believe, meet people with similar interests, encourage research, work up a sweat whacking padded people with sticks in a safe environment, enjoy the camraderie, all of those things that the founders of the SCA hoped the Dream would become. What is to not like (as post after post echoes) is taking it seriously, feeding inflated egos, and pretending that there is anything real about it.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 1:49:37 PM)
The Escapism is why some of us got involved - and continue to Be involved. Heck, my favorite sci-fi series during my younger years was the Warlock series, simply because I found it an amusing concept - take a spaceship, load all the people at an SCA event onto courtesy of someone who happens to be there who's rich, escape earth's constant political turmoil, get found a few generations later on another planet - whose whole society is based on the escapism. Wouldn't actually work, but it was amusing reading.

bashfulhuck -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 4:37:19 PM)
Funny, I've never once said I was some badassed fighter, unlike others here bragging about Dog Brothers and their Live steel skills. So where did I prove your point? Oh, it's quite ok for you to list what makes you such the badass, the fact that you know about Dog Brothers, but it's not ok for me to talk about my experience as a martial artist and my experiences in diffent types of fighting? So who's got the sour grapes eh? I never attacked you personally, yet you jump right into defensive mode with the garbage you just spewed from your keyboard. Just because somebody fights in the SCA does not mean they don't get skills from other areas. You come here spewing garbage about how SCA fighters suck, they can't fight. What makes you think that the top end fighters ONLY fight in the SCA eh? I know quite a few that do happen to be active in the Martial arts community, and are also accomplished athletes in sports such as football, judo, and baseball. So the out of shape snarky comment doesn't neccessarily hold water there. You're the one that comes here attacking the talents of those in the SCA, yet I know Doctors, Lawyer, quite a few computer programmers (a couple of them most likely helped develop the OS you're using on your computer), several accomplished metalsmiths, including one armorer that made the suit for the Iron Man Movie, his name is Ugo in the SCA. So you come here attacking the things others like to do for fun, basically telling those that love the SCA that they in fact suck because of that. You have not one single clue about what type of a fighter I am, what type of honor I hold myself to, yet you attack me personally, and I'm the one being a tough guy from the internet? Like I said, sour grapes m'lord. You didnt' get some recognition you thought you deserved, and now you're bashing it here. I see you mention Dog Brothers over and over again. Police and Law Enforcement aren't flocking to them for training in how to fight. I happen to have quite a few family and friends in law enforcment, and until I showed them the Dog Brothers Videos, they had never heard of it. Strange that is, how Dog Brothers are supposed to be the be all end all in your idea of fighting, yet a man that is on the Pierce County Gang Task Force, and has worked with Swat Teams in the area for years now, has never heard of how mighty they are. Do I think Dog Brothers are a pretty cool thing? Hell yes I do. Do alot of the guys on the videos I've watched particularly impress me as fighters? Not even a little bit. And that's not because of my SCA combat experience. That comes from the fact that I've been a bouncer for 20 years this July. Every single heinous act that a human being could possibly do to another short of blowing them up has been done to me when it comes to violence, including being shot, stabbed and gassed in a sense (they didn't have time to let the cup of piss and crap ferment, so it wasn't as bad as a gassing in prison). As for the sexual assaults that happen at SCA events, those are not that common. I will admit they do happen, and once is once too many. But those types of things happen at any large gathering of people where there is partying going on. Working security at concerts at the Gorge Amphitheatre in the Seattle area, I've dealt with my fair share of those types of activities. I've never once stated that professional organizations treat the SCA with any type of awe, but I have accurately stated that there are many artisens in the SCA that are world class at what they do. It doesn't matter where they got their knowledge from, the fact is, they are a part of the SCA. Meaning, if you want to know what they know, you generally just have to show up and ask. And IrishKnight, SCA combat isn't meant to be realistic, otherwise when I hit a shield with my Glaive, said shield and likely the arm behind it is gone. SCA combat was meant to be fun. That doesn't take away from the fact that many SCA fighters gain fighting skills in things not SCA related. They just happen to like the fun of a full contact sport is all which is what the SCA fighting is.

Irishknight -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 6:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bashfulhuck And IrishKnight, SCA combat isn't meant to be realistic, otherwise when I hit a shield with my Glaive, said shield and likely the arm behind it is gone. SCA combat was meant to be fun. That doesn't take away from the fact that many SCA fighters gain fighting skills in things not SCA related. They just happen to like the fun of a full contact sport is all which is what the SCA fighting is. I won't debate the possibilities of turning the glaive as opposed to blocking it. One would allow the keeping of the arm and the other would likely end exactly as you say. You are, in fact, the first SCA fighter I've ever known who has admitted that it is a nonaccurate representation.. I agree that is you aren't with a group of schmucks such as I was dealing with it could be a great deal of fun. My comment was made due to the fact that I have personally heard it described to crowds as "the way they really fought." Too many take it for what it is not. And, if you've noticed, I've only actually put down 5 fighters who were assholes and got dropped a peg by a man one month out of the military. I realize that many SCA fighters get other training. I've trained beside many and even trained a few for live steel. I've worked as a bouncer myself beside a number of SCA members. We have always agreed to disagree on our combat preferences. I believe you'll notice that I have both good and bad to say about the things I've seen the SCA do.

wulfgarw -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 6:29:38 PM)
I used to be SCA (Kingdom of Northshield. Or more appropriately , a few years before transitioning to Kingdom and left some time after) I left it after about 4 years or so because there was so infighting and drama that I just didn't want to get sucked into. And when I did get some interest back, the local group didn't seem very interested in seeing me, barely even a hello. (I don't think I did anything to anger them.) I try to organize anything and nobody ever showed up, not even for a simple movie night. And the marshallate never, ever gave me a 'ubercard' for my heavy authorizations despite mailing in for it about 6 times. If I move and find a group that is actually interested in having me around, I may reauth and join again. But I may try to make Pennsic in the next couple years to hang out with the CM SCAdians.

Gwynvyd -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 7:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bashfulhuck Well then Leatherist, you are hanging around the wrong people to be honest with you in An Tir. I happen to hang out in a crowd that does not drink heavily, and they most certainly don't do drugs. Hence why alot of them are very respected in the fighting community, they take good care of their bodies and are great athletes. For those that complain the SCA is only about drinking and getting laid, they haven't taken the time to investigate the amazing artistry that alot of people exhibit, or the huge amounts of knowledge about history, or the hour upon hours of training it takes to become a great fighter, wether it's heavy, fencing or archery. Sure there are mouth breathing goobers in the SCA, there are idiots in every aspect of life. I choose to spend my time with the people that are in the SCA because of a dream. The SCA is the last bastion of the true Warrior/Poet in this sad world. I go to dry sites all the time, and I don't hear whining by the people I'm around. I guess I choose not to be so judgemental of people though, and try to accept them for what they are. Yes there are people there that treat the SCA as a costumed cocktail party and orgy. However, there are those of us, and in An Tir we are in great numbers, that are in the SCA out of a love for history, family and friends, and knowledge. Is it everybody's cuppa? Nope, but that's what makes this world such a wonderful place. We can all have different interests. And Gwyn, you ever want to come up to the An Tir area my dear, I'll make sure you are well taken care of. The household I'm a part of is very hospitable and friendly. Like you, I was able to avoid getting awards for a long time, up until some very good friends won Crown, and I was asked to be the Queen's personal guard. She happend to be a Dominant. They found out I didn't even have an AoA. I tried to sneak off, but when she demands the guard not allow me to leave, and gives me the look, and points to the pillow at her feet, I didn't have much choice hehe. The submissive in me took over and I meekly kneeled at her feet while she gave me my AoA. From her hands though, the award really meant something to me. I do have to admit I do aspire to Knighthood one day though, and would love to win Crown. Blessings and peace, the bashful one chucklesnorts One of my fondest memories in court was when a best friend of mine.. and a fellow Domme was Queen. She loved to make me kneel before her.. and make up reasons to have me be in trouble... and hagve to "beg for her mercy" Those who knew us well knew why she did it... she always wanted to top me.. and damn it if it wasnt her chance. Gods I miss her. One day I should get up there to your neck of the woods.. some friends of mine have been trying to bribe me to move to Seattle next month with them. Brrrr... too damn cold. Gwyn, thin blooded Trimarian

Gwynvyd -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 7:28:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick My AoA meant something to me because of who was behind it. My kingdom service award meant something to me in my new kingdom because of who was behind that too. My baronial service award which came later meant NOTHING because it was given so that the baron & baroness wouldn't look bad - after all, the Kingdom had already recognized me. I did the things I did because I'm a service slut (running lists, sitting gate, lady-in-waiting, autocratting) and I love the arts (dance, needlework, weaving, sewing, brewing, cooking). I can't help but miss it when I look at that list, then I remember that as a single parent I have precious free time as it is. Sigh. Maybe if I move back to my home Barony one day. Cali You could come here... wink wink.. nudge nudge Gwyn

Leatherist -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 7:30:41 PM)
I wasted 25 years with a bunch of losers,enough said.

Gwynvyd -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 7:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: bashfulhuck For those that complain the SCA is only about drinking and getting laid, they haven't taken the time to investigate the amazing artistry that alot of people exhibit, or the huge amounts of knowledge about history, or the hour upon hours of training it takes to become a great fighter, wether it's heavy, fencing or archery. Don't take this personally, but I've been 'investigating' the SCA since about 1972...how many years and groups experience are you basing your opinions on? "Investigating" as in looking at it like you would an dead bug or.. being whole heartedly involved without being outside saying what a bunch of wankers? There are a small handful of people in the SCA who's research, or fighting, or music, or other artistry would last more than 10 seconds in the outside world. I am not sure what kingdoms you have been involved with.. but the laurels I deal with.. and the artists I know do thier work outside of the SCA... and some have degrees in thier field of study. I used to make a decent living when I was younger doing Caligraphy.. and doing Performing Arts. I've met some of them, and find that they are so rare, that the rest of the SCA has to make excuses as to why they can't fight like Bearkiller (much less like the Dog Brothers...no armor, just rattan on skin), or why one of the finest metalsmiths out there is still 'apprenticed' 15 years in, to someone who still has to ask him questions, or why the vast majority of the laurels who are 'bards' can't even get a gig at the local coffee shop, much less pass the audition for graduate school on their chosen instruments. Maybe you do not know many.. or any sucessful people.. but I know Authors of novels, and song writers. People who have albums out.. and who's gigs are always jam packed. I also know a Surgical nurse who sings like an angel and fights like a demon from hell. And that is fine, the SCA was supposed to be a level and safe playing field for dilettante hobbyists, and out of shape untrained weekend warriors, and strictly for fun with like minded amateur enthusiasts. When someone comes along who really is an expert, they should be having fun too. It started off being a Medieval wedding way back in the day.. they had fun.. and thus it began. Now some groups strive to bring more to it.. and make it about learning, and sharing and fun as well. My Barony hosts a event of just classes every year. It is even hosted at my church. ( I happen to be this years Feast Crat ) We are all about learning things in my Kingdom... YMMV. But here.. it is what we focus on. The Dream was never supposed to be about substituting imaginary rank and awards for real life, but sadly, that is exactly what it has turned into. Speak for yourself... any one who ever has gotten the illusion of that has been told by me that The pointy hat on thier head, and 79 cents will get them a Big Gulp. Maybe I do not truck with the jerks.. but I usualy do not see this sort of behavior often. People should just go have fun, and quit thinking that any of it is real. (Except of course, the drinking and food and getting laid part... that is very real) All of this is illusion... I think who you chose to hang out with.. and what you chose to do is your choice... if you want to party and drink.. have at.. if you want to learn.. have at. It is your choice. BTW I never saw the "Question" you asked Bashful in there... Gwyn

Gwynvyd -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 8:08:07 PM)
First of all idiots getting drunk and ending up in tents of other people be they male or female.. or hell up a tree... ( I was young and dumb) is done by well the idiots not the society at large. If you cant hold your drink and keep your shit together.. dont keep drinking.. plain and simple. No one was saying it was ok for it to happen.. your jump of illogic to inflame others in legandary around these parts... Some one says something opposite of what you are.. and you make a list of things they never claimed or said... and make them have to go on the defensive. Niiiiice. Get over it.. so you hate it.. dont fucking go. Who would want some pissy old guy bitching about every thing there anyways? It is why I dont go to Bowling Alleys. Booooooring. ( Yeah I suck at it.. so what?) You dont hear me knocking bowling alleys every time one is brought up. And just so you know... Museums and history departments never ask whole groups of anything... they ask individual experts. Just as you could go to my office.. and pick and chose the knowledgeable ones.. who are serious about thier place there... so goes it for the world. The Albert Museum went to a Scadian... Janet Arnold. I have her works.. and refer to them often when re-creating exactant garments. The Glut of textile research has been by Scadians as thier Hobby. We have helped fill in much of the information, and also help provide feedback on how it would have been formed and created in the time period of a given item.. because we have the skills and knowledge to use the tools, and materials of the time periods to recreate the items. Many textile arts have had a rennisance due to Scadians having an interest in a particular art. Shibori once a dying art (chuckles) has made a Huge come back largely in part to our careful work with it.. and getting the word out about what a wonderful medium it is. So... go back into your cave and let the rest of us play nice.. the kids will stay off of your yard if you leave them alone. Gwyn

Leatherist -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 8:36:05 PM)
This is about EX scaers. Start your own damn thread if you want to bray about how great it is.

Alumbrado -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/11/2008 10:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bashfulhuck Funny, I've never once said I was some badassed fighter, unlike others here bragging about Dog Brothers and their Live steel skills. So where did I prove your point? Oh, it's quite ok for you to list what makes you such the badass, the fact that you know about Dog Brothers, but it's not ok for me to talk about my experience as a martial artist and my experiences in diffent types of fighting? So who's got the sour grapes eh? I never attacked you personally, yet you jump right into defensive mode with the garbage you just spewed from your keyboard. Just because somebody fights in the SCA does not mean they don't get skills from other areas. You come here spewing garbage about how SCA fighters suck, they can't fight. What makes you think that the top end fighters ONLY fight in the SCA eh? I know quite a few that do happen to be active in the Martial arts community, and are also accomplished athletes in sports such as football, judo, and baseball. So the out of shape snarky comment doesn't neccessarily hold water there. You're the one that comes here attacking the talents of those in the SCA, yet I know Doctors, Lawyer, quite a few computer programmers (a couple of them most likely helped develop the OS you're using on your computer), several accomplished metalsmiths, including one armorer that made the suit for the Iron Man Movie, his name is Ugo in the SCA. So you come here attacking the things others like to do for fun, basically telling those that love the SCA that they in fact suck because of that. You have not one single clue about what type of a fighter I am, what type of honor I hold myself to, yet you attack me personally, and I'm the one being a tough guy from the internet? Like I said, sour grapes m'lord. You didnt' get some recognition you thought you deserved, and now you're bashing it here. I see you mention Dog Brothers over and over again. Police and Law Enforcement aren't flocking to them for training in how to fight. I happen to have quite a few family and friends in law enforcment, and until I showed them the Dog Brothers Videos, they had never heard of it. Strange that is, how Dog Brothers are supposed to be the be all end all in your idea of fighting, yet a man that is on the Pierce County Gang Task Force, and has worked with Swat Teams in the area for years now, has never heard of how mighty they are. Do I think Dog Brothers are a pretty cool thing? Hell yes I do. Do alot of the guys on the videos I've watched particularly impress me as fighters? Not even a little bit. And that's not because of my SCA combat experience. That comes from the fact that I've been a bouncer for 20 years this July. Every single heinous act that a human being could possibly do to another short of blowing them up has been done to me when it comes to violence, including being shot, stabbed and gassed in a sense (they didn't have time to let the cup of piss and crap ferment, so it wasn't as bad as a gassing in prison). As for the sexual assaults that happen at SCA events, those are not that common. I will admit they do happen, and once is once too many. But those types of things happen at any large gathering of people where there is partying going on. Working security at concerts at the Gorge Amphitheatre in the Seattle area, I've dealt with my fair share of those types of activities. I've never once stated that professional organizations treat the SCA with any type of awe, but I have accurately stated that there are many artisens in the SCA that are world class at what they do. It doesn't matter where they got their knowledge from, the fact is, they are a part of the SCA. Meaning, if you want to know what they know, you generally just have to show up and ask. And IrishKnight, SCA combat isn't meant to be realistic, otherwise when I hit a shield with my Glaive, said shield and likely the arm behind it is gone. SCA combat was meant to be fun. That doesn't take away from the fact that many SCA fighters gain fighting skills in things not SCA related. They just happen to like the fun of a full contact sport is all which is what the SCA fighting is. All I'm hearing is whining. I brought up world class metalsmiths and other artisans, I brought up those I know who have expertise acquired outside the Society, I brought up SCA fighters that were respectable, most certainly I brought up the idea that it was to be fun, not taken seriously, based not only on my own opinion, but on what I've been repeatedly told by long time members (Knights, Dukes, Queens, repeat BOD members, et al.) during well over 30 years of dealing with the Society. "The Dream was never supposed to be about pretending this stuff is for real." If I have a choice between believing those folks (many of whom are fellow members of my household) and my own eyes, or believing you, I'll simply have to ask once again, you've been King how many times again? You are head of what well known households? When was your last service to the BOD? You are on what page of 'Legends of...'? You claim to be a better fighter than who exactly? You've taught how many classes at war? Judged how many A&S at kingdom level? Do tell. Because I just got in from dinner with some friends whose total SCA years (not counting my own) went up to the century mark, and they were rolling with laughter at some of your claims. And I suspect that my ASLET colleagues would be equally amused to learn that they aren't using reality based training these days. Notice that many of those who have stayed on topic in this thread (including myself) have said consistently positive things about the SCA, and then pointed out how a few unchivalrous egoists tried to ruin it. Where do you think your rhinoing into a thread on that topic and making up straw arguments and unwarranted accusations of being attacked, fits into that universal truism about the SCA?

bashfulhuck -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/12/2008 12:38:20 AM)
Nowhere in this thread have I expressed a belief that the SCA is real now have I? Matter of fact, I stated that I don't go in for all the politics, I don't let that stuff get to me one little bit. I have also never claimed to be a better fighter than anyone else, now have I? You're just making some senseless claims as to what I've said as a way of belittling me into shutting up. I am a well respected member of a well known war unit in my kingdom, I have been proudly squired to a Knight who has been Kingdom Champion many times over, and has his share of Silver Roses. You sittting here typing out belittling remarks about how I haven't been King, how I haven't served the BOD, how I am not a "Legend" of the SCA, tells me you're the egotistical one here not me. Why should my opinion only be valid if I have done any of those things eh? I've been active in the SCA for 14 years now, and have done my fair share of service and then some. And I'm not bitter about any little bit of it, including the times I've run afoul of people that disliked me and tried to make my playtime not very fun. I think those things alone gives me the right to defend the SCA, and to remark about falsehoods people are portraying here as the be all end alls of what the SCA is. So what claim have I made that is false eh? The claim that there are world class artisens in the SCA? The claim that not every group, nor every Kingdom in the SCA is the same? The fact that there is a whole other world to the SCA apart from drinking and getting laid? Please oh wise one, tell me which of these claims are false, and how they are. If anything, if you look at my posts, I have stated time and again that the SCA is a hell of alot of fun if one wants it to be so, leaving all the crap behind them, and just playing with their friends. You've come here bragging about how you know all these famous badassed people both in the SCA and in other organizations, to me you sound like a blowhard braggart, and nothing more than that. Like I said, the majority of the people I see hating the SCA either never truly got into the nuts and bolts of the Society, or they are simply hating because they didn't advance quickly enough for their liking. Personally, I'm happy right where I'm at in the SCA, because a piece of brass, nor a white belt does not make me worthy as a human being, or a valuable member of the Society as you so elloquently allude to in your last post. You talk about egos ruining things for others, yet you don't even hesitate to type out questioning me, and letting me know that just because I haven't been King yet, or have some shiny piece of brass on my head, or served the BoD, that I'm not worthy. So who's got the ego eh? Sounds to me like you're behaving exactly like the people you and so many others have complained about. As for your other claims about me being an internet tough guy, take it for what you will. I'm not the one posturing here trying to beat someone down with words and trying to impress others with how well he knows all these ASLET folks and people from the Dog Brothers. I have however worked in an environment that is truly real world, because when things get ugly, there's no calling a time out, no tapping out, nobody stopping the fight because they think you're too hurt to continue. When someone pulls a knife out and wants blood, I don't get to say no fair.. I have to be the guy that's taking that knife away. Hence why the entire emergency room staff at a local hospital knows me by my first name. I would say that my real world experiences speak volumes about what real world fighting is like. Work security for one night at a Slayer concert, and trust me, you will get your fill of violence for a month, yet I go in day in and day out, and have for nearly 20 years. Luckily for me, I got an education in that time frame and only do it 3 nights a week now, and once my babies are both 18 in a little over a year, I can stop getting beat up on a regular basis. You can go ahead and badmouth me all you want, seems like the only people here fighting are you and I. You have absolutely no bearing on my life, as I have absolutely no bearing on yours. We will both go to bed this evening, and sleep a peaceful sleep, or at least I hope we both will, because even though I don't neccessarily agree with you on all things, there are things I do, such as the SCA needing to be about fun and nothing more.That tells me we probably have alot more in common than either of us at this point are willing to admit. Peace and serenity to you, the bashful one

RUMRUNNER69 -> RE: Ex-SCA Anonymous (6/12/2008 6:20:29 AM)
I'm not a drunk but my persona is....And a member of Shadow Legion-We are the household our parents warned us about. Seriously tho The head of my house has a saying "If your not having fun your doing it wrong" Wise words from someone who was king 3 times and twice before being knighted. Its a game people, enjoy it! Where else can a Dom wear a sundress or a skirt and be complimented for his fashion sense? I once had a round shield with "Rule 62-Don't take yourself too f**king seriously" painted on it in Germanic runes.....

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