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"Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 5:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		That all people should be treated equally, regardless of color, gender or sexual preference.

That our elderly shouldn't be left to die in poverty.

That those who cannot take care of themselves should be protected.

That everyone deserves an education.

That no one should go to bed hungry.

That no one has the right to hurt or abuse a child.

That rape is wrong. 

That our Constitution and Bill of Rights are sacred documents, and that those who love this country will act within the laws of this country.  If those laws are wrong, we work to change them peacefully.

That our soldiers who fight for us deserve the best training, the best equipment, and the best Commander in Chief- who will send them to defend our country and it's values, not to finish Daddy's dirty work.

Just some thoughts.  If the worst thing you have against Obama is his middle name- than you really have to do better.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 5:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think a lot of the things you listed are specific to liberal thinking. If I were a conservative I'd find that quite offensive I think.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 5:20:32 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 5:24:20 PM   
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I don't think a lot of the things you listed are specific to liberal thinking. If I were a conservative I'd find that quite offensive I think.


That was the point.  Conservatives thought and Liberal Thoughts aren't always different.  As Americans we share a lot in common.  Bashing the other side doesn't solve the problems we have to fix.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 5:26:05 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 6:17:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fungasm

That all people should be treated equally, regardless of color, gender or sexual preference.

That our elderly shouldn't be left to die in poverty.

That those who cannot take care of themselves should be protected.

That everyone deserves an education.

That no one should go to bed hungry.

That no one has the right to hurt or abuse a child.

That rape is wrong. 

That our Constitution and Bill of Rights are sacred documents, and that those who love this country will act within the laws of this country.  If those laws are wrong, we work to change them peacefully.

That our soldiers who fight for us deserve the best training, the best equipment, and the best Commander in Chief- who will send them to defend our country and it's values, not to finish Daddy's dirty work.

Just some thoughts.  If the worst thing you have against Obama is his middle name- than you really have to do better.

Ali
Not much to argue with here,I would add that those who have worn the uniform of this country could use the BEST we can offer once they come home, as too many of them do, damaged instead of what we are currently providing which all too often is not enough

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 6:42:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm

That all people should be treated equally, regardless of color, gender or sexual preference.

That our elderly shouldn't be left to die in poverty.

That those who cannot take care of themselves should be protected.

That everyone deserves an education.

That no one should go to bed hungry.

That no one has the right to hurt or abuse a child.

That rape is wrong. 

That our Constitution and Bill of Rights are sacred documents, and that those who love this country will act within the laws of this country.  If those laws are wrong, we work to change them peacefully.

That our soldiers who fight for us deserve the best training, the best equipment, and the best Commander in Chief- who will send them to defend our country and it's values, not to finish Daddy's dirty work.

Just some thoughts.  If the worst thing you have against Obama is his middle name- than you really have to do better.

Ali


Fungasm, what geographical area would these "liberal thoughts" pertain to and please don't say, "the whole world!"

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 7:19:45 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 7:51:50 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 7:58:42 PM   
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"When I turn 18 I wonder how much I can get from welfare?"
WTF ....oh wait I get it.Your cleverly suggesting this is an example of liberal thought....a world in which an 18 y/o highest aspiration is to collect welfare,you have issues my friend

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:05:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"When I turn 18 I wonder how much I can get from welfare?"
WTF ....oh wait I get it.Your cleverly suggesting this is an example of liberal thought....a world in which an 18 y/o highest aspiration is to collect welfare,you have issues my friend


Wow!
You're quick!
How about a lightning round?

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:15:49 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:29:39 PM   
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A problem with our politics and our political discussions is verbiage. To wit: what the fuck is "liberal?"

For instance fiscal conservatism is now the trademark of the Democratic party in the USA.

Foreign adventurism, nation-building, expansion of the federal government, blurring the line line between church and state, regulating reproductive practices, and government secrecy are the trademarks of the Republican party.

In many ways political jargon is empty, divisive, and pejorative.


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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:36:50 PM   
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Hmm… I guess equal treatment under the conservative view does include equal rights for gays…will maybe in California anyway
And a conservative view in Missouri means taking healthcare aid from those disabled and in poverty… this keeps them from dieing in poverty I’m sure…somehow.
I guess the Constitution under a conservative view does mean rights for Americans...unless you want a private conversation on the phone…but no one else in the world that gets in the way...hey we have the best torture chambers in the world
Oh yea another conservative view…the best for our soldiers means giving them poor treatment for their wounds…stupid idiots… they should come back on their shields instead of on crutches.
Yep a good education…even if they take my tax money and give it to the church or private school… damn lib public school teachers.
How can anyone go hungry when us conservatives got all the food stamps for you moochers.
Yea protect all those babies…even if it kills the mama… or even if you do have to have that rapists baby…get over it whore should have kept your legs closed.

On and on I grow tired of defending conservatives.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:37:36 PM   
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A problem with our politics and our political discussions is verbiage. To wit: what the fuck is "liberal?"

For instance fiscal conservatism is now the trademark of the Democratic party in the USA.

Foreign adventurism, nation-building, expansion of the federal government, blurring the line line between church and state, regulating reproductive practices, and government secrecy are the trademarks of the Republican party.

In many ways political jargon is empty, divisive, and pejorative.


When I was much younger the trademark of the Republican Party was that they stood for small federal gov.Along came the religous right hijacked the whole party and everything has gone to hell in a handbasket

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 8:43:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, along came Reagan and supply side economics. Under him the policy of growing government and cutting taxes was legitimized. Everyone Republican in Congress voted against Clinton's deficit reduction package which passed by one vote, Al Gore's. (He broke the tie in the Senate.)

Every Republican after that predicted doom and gloom: an economic slowdown, loss of jobs, et. al. None of it came to pass.

The first thing Bush did upon taking office was undo all that Clinton accomplished. His formula was borrowed from Reagan, and Congress has raised the national debt ceiling multiple times under this administration.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 10:30:19 PM   
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   You had me.  The title had me ready to present some snarky comment regarding Jumbo Shrimp or Military Intelligence.
    But i started reading, and was looking to see how there could be agreement and discussion on how to acheive those goals and ambitions.  They are quite laudable, and deserve attention.  But then there was the snipe.
     It came to me that, like in school, during tests and on game shows, one should always stick with the first answer:  Oxymoron.

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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 11:01:32 PM   
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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 11:43:02 PM   
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"When I turn 18 I wonder how much I can get from welfare?"


Not much (nothing) unless you have a child and then for only a few years. Not sure how many. But say when you are 20 you could get a raise with another child...I think.

Clinton reduced the AFDC participation by law...despite that, Bush has increase it with the tripling of gas prices and doubling of health insurance. Those two household expenses are fast approaching rent or mortgage.

With all that being said...people have come to sooo misunderstand conservatism. I am not talking about anything political since 1980. Sorry to ask the OP to go back to her childhood but starting with Reagan...we have had only 'neocons' neo-conservatives.

What's a neocon you ask ? Well let's try this. Reagan truly threw his weight around in foreign policy. Dealing with Gorbechev on START and seeing the WALL come down, the end of communism...great but he had a whole lotta help and luck like they all have from time to time. BUT

Reagan used 'gunboat' diplomacy in Lebanon to what avail...? Nothing ! Made enemies of us there...got 241 Marines killed in their sleep. Not real conservatism.

Then he dealth with Iran selling arms to them for the release of hostages one of which was the CIA Lebanon station cheif. This was a very brave man and yes...one we wanted back. He was killed anyway. Not real conservatism.
 
Reagan created bigger government (added 200,000) and financed a defense build-up with a tax cut which wasn't a tax cut at all. He cut tax revenues and we are still paying the debt AND the debt service on his $ trillion deficit. Not small government or fiscally...real conservatism.

The Bushes were more of the same with W just the worst of the bunch. There are no conservatives in Wash., D.C. anymore. Or maybe we could count them on one or two hands. Hardly conservative at all.
 
The first and last truly conservative Republican president was Lincoln.

Even Goldwater while I believe he could have been a small government, fiscal conservative...gave you the distinct impression he was a radical who would use nukes if he thought it was a good idea...at the time. Hardly true conservatism.




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RE: "Liberal" Thoughts - 6/7/2008 11:52:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm about 60% conservative and 40% liberal in my viewpoints.

I can think of a few things from both sides that I am pretty adamant about and think the other side is way off the mark.

How anyone can honestly be 100% of either side without finding something you disagree with is beyond me.

It reeks of head-bobbing and lack of independent thought. Anyone who takes a side of an issue simply because they identify with a particular herd is a moron.





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