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beargonewild -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 8:47:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

I worked for an organisation providing education about AIDS and HIV and I met many men who identified as men who had sex with men however they did not identify as gay or bisexual.



Yet many of these men are the same ones who habitually cruise mall bathrooms or known gay cruising spots simply to find themselves another cock to suck or to have theirs sucked. The fact of the matter is continual engaging into this activity does seriously question their "supposedly" heterosexuality. What they are willing to admit to others is an entirely different story.




flag133 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 9:05:47 AM)

cock sucking has been the most disgusting humililation for me as a hetero-slave - but i had to do it for my Lady as she started to train me as a slut. Later on it has been routine - not a topic any mmore today, but i can´t say its turnig me on.
I had to begin with after a hard whipping and then i "goes". 




UPSG -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 11:31:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Imakemensquirm

I've known many submissive males over the years and I am certain that a heterosexual male would never suck a real cock, nor would he knowingly allow his cock to be sucked by another male.  I don't feel this makes him any less submissive, it just happens to be his hard wiring.  I'm sure there are many males who are trying to come to terms with having sucked a cock, but this is just a matter of them finding their way out of that closet.  I'm not making a judgement call here, I'm just saying that you are who you are. 


That's all subjective and anecdotal. Most heterosexual males will never suck a cock (most will never commit murder either) but "never" can be a big word, especially if someone is strung out on heroin or crack. Most heterosexual males frequently talk about what they would do to another guy (violence wise) but when you see many of them enter a boxing ring it's not uncommon to see a good portion of them begin to cower and retreat.

It might be worth noting that most heterosexual men would never become a submissive anything, within the fetish of BDSM, to a woman, even if his hard limit was same sex activity. You think John Gotti or any "Man of Honor" as La Cosa Nostra member refer to themselves, would play butler servant to a woman in spiked boots? I doubt not. Most men in prison might consider raping a heterosexual man if they ever found out he did that.

What constitutes heterosexuality (I'm not talking about heterosexual sex) is a subjective matter. The hard-line idea of differentiating homosexual from heterosexual never existed in fuedal Japan as I understand it. That concept certainly never existed among certain cheifdom or tribal level Amerindian society. And while the U.S. Navy was officially against homosexual activity in the 1800's (in the English navy you could be put to death) it's interesting to note the U.S. Navy in the 1800's was reputedly a Gomarrah of male-on-male sexual activity (including sugar daddies) while out at sea. There was even white and black males having sex with one another (interesting because a Black man would have been lynched at that time for laying hands on a White woman). This is all known from written sources such as records and diary accounts (assuming they are accurate of course). The U.S. Navy was bad with male-on-male sodomy and oral sex in the 1800's that it was reputedly hard for a heterosexual male not to enter the Navy and not exist without ever having had some form of sexual relations with another man.

While it is still very difficult for male homosexuals today in the U.S., it is not as difficult for them, in my judgement at least, as it was in the 1800's. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think so. So, having said that, most young men do not need to hide in the "closet" as President Abraham Lincoln might have.

What people are having issue with is the right of other people to self describe.





UPSG -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 12:04:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMedusa

then that organization is ignoring those in the BDSM commuinity and their r/t information and how we live. ANY MAN WHO SUCKS A COCK, is #1 gay, or #2 bisexual..... or #3, knows he better please his Mistress and do as told (lol)


Kudos, LadyMedusa. I agree totally. Might I add that any sub's/slave's Lady still has the prerogative to call him a fag, irregardless of his #3 qualities. Game well played, LadyM. [;)]




UPSG -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 12:06:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Underumam

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ORIGINAL: LadyMedusa

then that organization is ignoring those in the BDSM commuinity and their r/t information and how we live. ANY MAN WHO SUCKS A COCK, is #1 gay, or #2 bisexual..... or #3, knows he better please his Mistress and do as told (lol)


Number three is still BI..lol. Whether it's forced or not.



Or just queer friendly. lol.




bisub4play -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 12:30:46 PM)

I am a submissive male who has performed oral bi scenes at the direction of several female Dommes on more then one occassion. While I consider myself predominantly straight, I find it very it very exciting and arousing to explore my bicurious side at the direction of a female Domme. I would not seek to serve a male Dom alone. There is just something very exciting to me knowing that I am pleasing my Mistress, seeing that wicked smile as she verbally humiliates and also encourages me while I am sucking a cock for her. Feeling her hand on the back of my head forcing me down and holding me there as he orgasms in my mouth. I think more Dommes enjoy this activity then are ready to admit they do along with the male subs. Is it forced? In a role play sort of way I guess. It is not something that I seek for myself on a regualr basis but at the direction of my Mistress, it is very very exciting for me to do for HER as an act of submission and service.




subexploring -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 4:35:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UPSG


What people are having issue with is the right of other people to self describe.




That's exactly right. Human sexuality is a continuum, it's not neatly separated into two or three little boxes. How people divide up that continuum into definitions is in large part a subjective matter. There is sexual attraction, sexual play/experimentation, romantic/emotional attraction, and then each of those divides up in dozens of different ways. If you're insisting that your labels be kept totally neat and mutually exclusive you might ask yourself why you think that's so important.




Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 4:42:37 PM)

BS

sex acts have nothing to do with sexuality.. there is a lot more to one's sexual orientation...its complicated

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ORIGINAL: Pinkpottiepants

Heterosexual males don't and wouldn't suck a real cock, full stop.  If you are willing to cross that line, then you aren't and likely never were a heterosexual to begin with. 




wandersalone -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 10:15:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

I worked for an organisation providing education about AIDS and HIV and I met many men who identified as men who had sex with men however they did not identify as gay or bisexual.



Yet many of these men are the same ones who habitually cruise mall bathrooms or known gay cruising spots simply to find themselves another cock to suck or to have theirs sucked. The fact of the matter is continual engaging into this activity does seriously question their "supposedly" heterosexuality. What they are willing to admit to others is an entirely different story.



Yep I agree with your comments Bear, these were common occurrences within this particular group. 

My reason for posting my initial comment was to express my view that in the bigger picture it doesn't really matter what I label someone as, if they do not see themselves as fitting in this box then the label is meaningless to them

I tend to find the idea of labeling others as interesting....are we (the generic we) doing this to help them or to make ourselves feel better/more comfortable in some way. 




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 11:40:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wandersalone
I tend to find the idea of labeling others as interesting....are we (the generic we) doing this to help them or to make ourselves feel better/more comfortable in some way.
I don't think so.   I don't have any feelings either way about whom someone has been (or desires to be) sexually involved with, unless it involves me in some way, and in those cases, I'd like to know if he's phucked a tree, and whether he is attracted to tree phucking.   I know the disdain for labels, but words are all we have in some instances to convey what we mean.   M 




Petruchio -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/25/2009 11:45:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1
]I'd like to know if he's phucked a tree, and whether he is attracted to tree phucking


In that case, you should leave.




azjojoba -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 12:08:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMedusa

then that organization is ignoring those in the BDSM commuinity and their r/t information and how we live. ANY MAN WHO SUCKS A COCK, is #1 gay, or #2 bisexual..... or #3, knows he better please his Mistress and do as told (lol)


How very true. Let's take a situation where a domme has made her sub's butt very red, and then she gives him a choice -- suck a man's cock, or you will spanked you until you are crying and then some. It seems that sucking cock is the better of two choices, although I guess that depends on your tolerance of pain.




JustDarkness -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 12:09:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: flag133

cock sucking has been the most disgusting humililation for me as a hetero-slave - but i had to do it for my Lady as she started to train me as a slut. Later on it has been routine - not a topic any mmore today, but i can´t say its turnig me on.
I had to begin with after a hard whipping and then i "goes". 



and why didn't you mention Males as a hard limit?




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 12:55:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petruchio
In that case, you should leave.
Now I know you're the domliest of all doms, coming on the mistress forum and telling me what I should do, knowing full well, I don't submit to anyone.  
*Very cute really*  [&:] M




MzMia -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 5:01:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness


quote:

ORIGINAL: flag133

cock sucking has been the most disgusting humililation for me as a hetero-slave - but i had to do it for my Lady as she started to train me as a slut. Later on it has been routine - not a topic any mmore today, but i can´t say its turnig me on.
I had to begin with after a hard whipping and then i "goes". 



and why didn't you mention Males as a hard limit?


You asked the million dollar question, that MzMia mentioned years ago,
on this thread.
The reason it is NOT a hard limit, is because they don't want it to be a hard limit!
[:D]
I actually do run across men that say, being with other men IS a hard limit.

 
Give this man a cigar!




diklikr4u -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 6:16:42 AM)

Lady Medusa

The Domme i was seeing never mentioned or asked if i would consider doing gay or bi for Her.
When we first met, She did asked me what my hard limits were and i replied that i was still new and did not know.
my thoughts were that as a new malesub exploring this side of me i would have to know more and be willing to be tested to know whether or not something was hard limit by learning as we progressed.
She said that was a good answer and that She would be testing me to learn what those limits might be.
When She told me that She planned on having me my cum for Her  i said "yes Mistress" and She has since seen me eat my cum for Her.
When She saw that i would eat it whenever She told me too and that She said She was really pleased and that She wanted to expand my cum eating. Again i said "yes Mistress" with the thought of learning what She was planning.




thishereboi -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 6:25:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMedusa

then that organization is ignoring those in the BDSM commuinity and their r/t information and how we live. ANY MAN WHO SUCKS A COCK, is #1 gay, or #2 bisexual..... or #3, knows he better please his Mistress and do as told (lol)


Looks like you found the cure for homos then. If you think your son is gay, force him to sleep with a women. If he does it, that means he is not gay anymore. woo hoo

I wonder if all the lesbians who have ever slept with men to make themselves appear normal, know that they are no longer gay, but now they are bi. They thought they were fooling people into thinking they were straight and all this time they were only fooling themselves. Imagine that. I bet they thought sexual attraction had something to do with it and now we find that if you actually do the act, that is all it takes.




LunaVenus -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 6:29:14 AM)

My opinions are divided on this issue. My slaves must suck MY dildos and perhaps it might be interesting to see a devoted slave perform on a real one for me, just to prove I could make them do it.....perhaps.

But since I do not have a real one... I don't think it would be in my interest to make my slaves  like that too much LOL




Underumam -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 8:13:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LunaVenus

My opinions are divided on this issue. My slaves must suck MY dildos and perhaps it might be interesting to see a devoted slave perform on a real one for me, just to prove I could make them do it.....perhaps.

But since I do not have a real one... I don't think it would be in my interest to make my slaves  like that too much LOL


I've done that before as well. For some reason I get really excited and crave a woman with her strapon, but it's just not the same if it was a male with the real thing that's attached to male energy. Other males just don't turn me on.. I've tried it with a man a couple of times years  ago for the experience, but it's just not what turns me on. I'm not saying I  wouldn't do it again if my Woman really got off on it, but it's just not something innate in me. I guess I'm just "normal"huh? lol.




DavanKael -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (1/26/2009 1:44:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
BS
sex acts have nothing to do with sexuality..


*blinking at the screen and knowing that no matter how many times I read that nor how much I contemplate it, that it won't ever make sense to me**
<<Thinking, also, that those exchanges earlier in this thread about taking one's pleasure with trees make far more sense>>
  Davan




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