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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 1:58:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if all the lesbians who have ever slept with men to make themselves appear normal, know that they are no longer gay, but now they are bi.
 
Good point.  There'd be no way round their having to redefine themselves as bi rather than lesbian - short of going back in a time-machine and preventing their former selves from going to bed with any men.  

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 2:28:08 PM   
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 2:42:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peon...sexuality has very little to do with you who fuck  and more about how you are wired and your preferences.. you are homosexual when your sexual preference is so identified with the same gender.. and you are heterosexual when your sexual preference is identified with the opposite gender.. your BI sexual when youre sexual preference is identified with either gender meaning that a homosexual man can fuck a female and still is homosexual.. as can a lesbian woman fuck a man and still be lesbian.. shakes my head... sheesh..

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 2:45:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I wonder if all the lesbians who have ever slept with men to make themselves appear normal, know that they are no longer gay, but now they are bi.
 
Good point.  There'd be no way round their having to redefine themselves as bi rather than lesbian - short of going back in a time-machine and preventing their former selves from going to bed with any men.  


Agreed, Peon.  :> 
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 3:02:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sylverdawn,

I honestly, truthfully, don't care how anybody chooses to label me (so long as a woman I'm zeroing in on doesn't get it wrong).  I went through all of those stages of caring about my proclivities and left them behind years ago.  I just have fun with whatever I am now.  Life is just too short to worry about such things.  I treat everyone else the same way.  Somebody either wants to go to bed with me, or she doesn't, and that's that.




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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 4:28:27 PM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		And, your point is what???  You dont want to be labelled.. but you want to label others.. Im not the one making the following comment

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Good point.  There'd be no way round their having to redefine themselves as bi rather than lesbian - short of going back in a time-machine and preventing their former selves from going to bed with any men.  


isnt there a saying about people in glass houses.. I dont really give a rats who you sleep with or do not sleep with... but I do dislike a man who appears to be at least semi literate making such ill informed statements... it makes the rest of those semi literates out there look bad... bless your heart as we say here in the south... SD.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 4:46:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, quite the opposite.  My point was that I don't label myself, I don't care how others label me, and I don't label anyone else.  It's not relevant to me any more.

The line:

Good point.  There'd be no way round their having to redefine themselves as bi rather than lesbian - short of going back in a time-machine and preventing their former selves from going to bed with any men.  
 
 - is meant to convey the point that it's all a bit of a joke.  I have a lesbian friend who has a son but has split with the father and now lives with her female partner.  She calls herself a lesbian.  I'm fine with that.  She'd tell me where to shove it if I were to start arguing that she were actually "bisexual".  If she were to call herself a bisexual, I'd be equally fine.  Those sorts of distinctions don't feel relevant to my life anymore.   I just tell people they're fine by me, however they want to label themselves.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 5:54:36 PM   
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... Knowing he stooped time after time obediently to another low, he will obediently respond to and fulfill everyone of his future commands ... or maybe it doesn't work that way at all. But that was just some of my views into the insight of the mind. I could be totally wrong.



You're not far off; cognitive dissonance is a stern Mistress. Add in a healthy dose of learning theory, and you've got pretty much the whole shebang.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 6:34:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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sex acts have nothing to do with sexuality..


*blinking at the screen and knowing that no matter how many times I read that nor how much I contemplate it, that it won't ever make sense to me**
<<Thinking, also, that those exchanges earlier in this thread about taking one's pleasure with trees make far more sense>>
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Juzt because it doesn't make sense to you, Davan, doesn't mean it ain't so. There have been so many good examples of instances that illustrate that  sexual acts don't necessarily define sexual orientation that, imo, it should be clear to any one with an open mind. And what of people who have never had sex of any kind ? Say someone who took a vow of chastity at an early age ? Does the absence of an act define them as asexual ? I think not. The same argument applies.

Btw, I thought it was clear that my sarcastic and satirical posts regarding tree fucking were taken as the joke that I intended. But, appaerently, such assumptions can't be made when folks take things so literaly and humorlessly.




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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do understand, but my mind is made up.
IF I see anyone fucking a tree they are a tree fucker.
If I see a man sucking another man's cock, he is a cock sucker.

For some people, straight men can suck other men's cocks and engage in sex acts with
other men and still be straight.
 Straight women can have oral sex with other women/and or engage in sex acts with them
and they are still straight.

Some people feel that engaging in sex acts does not define orientation.
Some of us feel that engaging in certain sex acts {by choice} DOES define orientation.
 
I don't think either side will ever change their minds, we can all agree to disagree.

As long as what you are doing is legal, and no one is getting hurt enjoy your life.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:51:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		then.. I have to ask.. what of the right of others to define themselves... are you the one who gets to define the sexual orientation of others?  Do I get to define yours?

I don't know how you identify on the top/bottom scale.. but I think you're a dominant female -- do I get to decide for myself that your behavior doesn't fit my parameters of dominant and then call you a submissive? 

none of that makes any sense to me... who said that you get to define what sexual orientation means to a person...



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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I do understand, but my mind is made up.
IF I see anyone fucking a tree they are a tree fucker.
If I see a man sucking another man's cock, he is a cock sucker.

For some people, straight men can suck other men's cocks and engage in sex acts with
other men and still be straight.
 Straight women can have oral sex with other women/and or engage in sex acts with them
and they are still straight.

Some people feel that engaging in sex acts does not define orientation.
Some of us feel that engaging in certain sex acts {by choice} DOES define orientation.
 
I don't think either side will ever change their minds, we can all agree to disagree.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:54:03 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		Wonderful question!
I have chatted with dozens of men that have engaged in "forced sex acts"
with other men, especially on here.
On their profiles and in their minds, they are straight.

In my mind they are bisexual.

Everyone gets to define everyone, that is how the world works.
In my world, most of the people I know are defined by what they DO.
 
You can be a street bum, and you might think and consider yourself to be President Obama,
but when I see you lying on the street, I will see you as a street bum.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:55:57 PM   
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Everyone gets to define everyone, that is how the world works.


nope.. not at all...

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:57:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

quote:

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Everyone gets to define everyone, that is how the world works.


nope.. not at all...


Well, we live in different worlds.
Guess what!  That is okay!
To each their own.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 7:57:19 PM   
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 8:30:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cjan

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
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sex acts have nothing to do with sexuality..


*blinking at the screen and knowing that no matter how many times I read that nor how much I contemplate it, that it won't ever make sense to me**
<<Thinking, also, that those exchanges earlier in this thread about taking one's pleasure with trees make far more sense>>
Davan


Juzt because it doesn't make sense to you, Davan, doesn't mean it ain't so. There have been so many good examples of instances that illustrate that  sexual acts don't necessarily define sexual orientation that, imo, it should be clear to any one with an open mind. And what of people who have never had sex of any kind ? Say someone who took a vow of chastity at an early age ? Does the absence of an act define them as asexual ? I think not. The same argument applies.

Btw, I thought it was clear that my sarcastic and satirical posts regarding tree fucking were taken as the joke that I intended. But, appaerently, such assumptions can't be made when folks take things so literaly and humorlessly.





We continue to disagree, Cjan.  Nothing new there. 
My puzzlement is over the liberties people take, not over confusion over how I know terms are properly used. 
Behavior and/or attraction are difinitive.  Either/or and/or both.  That's my opinion.  It's based on empirical evidence. 
  Davan

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 8:35:07 PM   
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Hello there, we are neighbors.
Are you ready for some snow?
 
.Davan, there is a 3rd diminsion, it is called the twilight zone.
There is a big difference between a one time experience and continuing to
endulge.
The title of this thread is "heterosexual males sucking cock".
If you suck cocks, doesn't that make you a cock sucker?
If I drink a pepsi, aren't I a pepsi-drinker?
There is a 3rd dimension, it is called the twilight zone.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 8:40:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		behavior and attraction are defnitive?  please explain that.. if it were true, there would never be any confusion in human relationships.. ever.. and I don't find that to be true... ever...

can you explain what you mean by that? 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 10:13:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a little astounded that some people appear to have such trouble seeing the difference between heterosexual inclination and heterosexual activity. (Or homosexual or bisexual.)

If everyone on collarme were classified according to the sexual activities they were actually doing at the moment, the most common sexual orientation would probably be "vanilla masturbator". But since this is a dating site among other things, it is probably more helpful to describe people by what they are interested in doing when they do find someone.

I agree that a male sucking another male's cock is always a homosexual activity, but I don't think it follows that either man is homosexual. The reason it's cropping up in this thread is because some women like to see men do it. For some men, landing one of those women is important enough that they are willing to do whatever it takes to get her, even this. I fail to see how their inclination can be called homosexual.

I don't think that failing to make this a hard limit implies that you secretly want to be forced to do it. If your domme isn't able to have some fun with you, she will quickly lose interest and find someone more compatible. So unless you really don't want to do something, it makes good sense to remain open to it. I think people have trouble understanding that for this particular activity because they don't understand how sucking cock can be a mild dislike rather than a complete revulsion.

Personally I'd call it a hard limit. It doesn't surprise me that much that other people are more willing than I am to do it.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 10:19:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand what you are saying, welcomerain and everyone else also.
I also understand about limits and hard limits.

I understand many women want their submissives to engage in this activity.
I am going to try very hard, to make this my last post on this subject.

As always, to each their own.
 

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