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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 11:19:54 PM   
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BUILD TEN THOUSAND BRIDGES AND SUCK ONLY ONE COCK AND THEY AINT GONNA CALL YOU BRIDGEBUILDER.


LMAO! Very true.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 11:24:54 PM   
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The title of this thread is "heterosexual males sucking cock".
If you suck cocks, doesn't that make you a cock sucker?
If I drink a pepsi, aren't I a pepsi-drinker?


Your point is logical and correct, MzMia. And if a submissive guy performs oral sex on another male, then there should be no animosity on his part if a dominant woman chooses to call him a cock sucker.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/26/2009 11:28:52 PM   
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Fast Reply -
 
You call someone a "cocksucker" like that is a bad thing! 




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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 5:48:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia
The title of this thread is "heterosexual males sucking cock".
If you suck cocks, doesn't that make you a cock sucker?
If I drink a pepsi, aren't I a pepsi-drinker?


Your point is logical and correct, MzMia. And if a submissive guy performs oral sex on another male, then there should be no animosity on his part if a dominant woman chooses to call him a cock sucker.



Not sure if that holds, UPSG.  I once read a biology book, but that doesn't make me a biologist.  When I was a little boy, a bus driver let me sit in his bus and ring the bell, but that doesn't make me a bus-driver. 

[I'm not sure why I'm helping to keep this argument going because it seems so pointless to me.  But, let's face it, it's fun.  I know that just seeing the title of this thread brightens up the whole forum for many people.]



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 5:57:37 AM   
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(grin) Congratulations, FullfigRIMAAM1! I wondered who might get it.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 6:42:16 AM   
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We continue to disagree, Cjan.  Nothing new there. 
My puzzlement is over the liberties people take, not over confusion over how I know terms are properly used. 
Behavior and/or attraction are difinitive.  Either/or and/or both.  That's my opinion.  It's based on empirical evidence. 
Davan


Davan, I seem to recall that you are a student. Perhaps it would behoove you to try to open your mind a bit. You will find that it is conducive to learning.

A few years ago, a faculty committee at Harvard produced a report on the purpose of education. “The aim of a liberal education” the report declared, “is to unsettle presumptions, to defamiliarize the familiar, to reveal what is going on beneath and behind appearances, to disorient young people and to help them to find ways to reorient themselves.”

Having said that, I think it is characteristic of students to be enamored of their "learning" and be over confident, if not arrogant, regarding same. I know, I was there, once upon a time. Life and experience teach us that things are not always as they seem and that , as we gain experience, we become more aware of how little we really know. I say this with all due respect, Davan. At least you, being a student, may have an excuse for your intellectual conceits. Many others have no such excuse, they simply cling to their own views.

Finally,  as someone said earlier, sucking a cock  may make someone a cocksucker, but it doesn't change their basic sexual orientation. I wonder how dommes who suck cocks feel about being called "blowjob dommes" by those dommes who consider such acts as "undommely". It seems to me to be the same argument, i.e., that we have no right ( and it's not useful ) to define others by our own standards .


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 7:09:05 AM   
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I do understand, but my mind is made up.
IF I see anyone fucking a tree they are a tree fucker.

If I see a man sucking another man's cock, he is a cock sucker.

For some people, straight men can suck other men's cocks and engage in sex acts with
other men and still be straight.
 Straight women can have oral sex with other women/and or engage in sex acts with them
and they are still straight.

Some people feel that engaging in sex acts does not define orientation.
Some of us feel that engaging in certain sex acts {by choice} DOES define orientation.
 
I don't think either side will ever change their minds, we can all agree to disagree.

As long as what you are doing is legal, and no one is getting hurt enjoy your life.


Well if your mind is made up, there is no point in trying to discuss it with you. Obviously you are the expert on homosexuals and what makes them tick. Maybe you should write a book. Might straighten up a lot of people who really believe sexual attration has anything to do with their needs and desires.

Oh and one more question, just for the hell of it......How many homosexuals do you know personally? By that I mean know them well enough that they would be willing to share personal feelings with you. People you might consider as friends?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 7:57:08 AM   
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2¢: FWIW, I don't for a second believe you'll ever get a straight guy to suck someone unless he's got a knife held to his throat, and maybe not even then.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:00:57 AM   
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Really?  perhaps that holds true for you... but it might not for others... I'm guessing then that you do not believe that someone would do something for their dominant, no matter how much they disliked it?


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2¢: FWIW, I don't for a second believe you'll ever get a straight guy to suck someone unless he's got a knife held to his throat, and maybe not even then.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:08:48 AM   
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Really? perhaps that holds true for you... but it might not for others...


I'm sure you're right, M4a. Even if I weren't dom, it would cross a line for me. Try to force me and you'll think Lorena Bobbitt was angelic.

As you suggest, I recognize what holds true for me won't hold true for others. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if happy participants would slide more toward the bi- to gay end of the continuum.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:10:58 AM   
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Is that your way of asking this heterosexual female to ***
Uhm, never mind.     M


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:37:09 AM   
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Is that your way of asking this heterosexual female to ***
Uhm, never mind.     M


(laughing) I'm so transparent!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:51:54 AM   
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Really?  perhaps that holds true for you... but it might not for others... I'm guessing then that you do not believe that someone would do something for their dominant, no matter how much they disliked it?



It's for that reason which sheds suspicion on the heterosexualness of man males who do admit they enjoy being forced to perform an activity which under any other circumstances they would not do.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 8:57:24 AM   
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I suppose I'm just not convinced, that in a leather context, if someone does something purely because their dominant desires it that it means a change in their orientation...


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Really?  perhaps that holds true for you... but it might not for others... I'm guessing then that you do not believe that someone would do something for their dominant, no matter how much they disliked it?



It's for that reason which sheds suspicion on the heterosexualness of man males who do admit they enjoy being forced to perform an activity which under any other circumstances they would not do.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:30:35 AM   
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I'm looking at this from the angle that the orientation was always there yet buried. It's through the dominant's desire that the male feels less hesitation to indulge in something which he usually wouldn't. I don't believe a person's sexual orientation changes, it's how it is expressed that changes. 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:31:35 AM   
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A few years ago, a faculty committee at Harvard produced a report on the purpose of education. “The aim of a liberal education” the report declared, “is to unsettle presumptions, to defamiliarize the familiar, to reveal what is going on beneath and behind appearances, to disorient young people and to help them to find ways to reorient themselves.”
 
Though that suffers a little from the modish deconstructionist philosophical tendency, I think it's broadly correct.  This debate seems to be suffering because most people are thinking in terms of only three categories of sexual preference: homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual.  There is just one of two ways to allocate someone to their category - by their action, or by their motivation.  It's all too rigid, IMO.  

All sorts of little questions arise that could weaken that rigidity.  In no particular order - re the act defining someone's sexuality - would the act of a woman feeling another woman's breasts make her bi or even a lesbian?  Doubtless the answer would be "no" if the woman doing the feeling happened to be a nurse in a clinic.  The motivation in such a case clearly makes a huge difference.  But we're not allowed to consider motivation here, are we?  

As for motivation: If I once had a crush on a 12 year old but never did anything about it, would that make me now and forever a paedophile?   I don't think so - if I was only 12 at the time myself and haven't felt the same way since.  How's motivation to be defined?  If I have a sleeping-dream that involves some sexual act, is that to be considered the same kind of motivation as a day-dream?  And then there's that line of thought stretching back to Freud which has it that there's a sexual component in any kind of attraction for, or even aesthetic appreciation of,  anything at all.  We all know about architects' love of skyscrapers rising proudly to penetrate the sky.  Most women will see aesthetic qualities about other women's bodies without necessarily feeling anything strong enough to be called "sexual attraction" for them.  Likewise - though I suspect fewer - men feel similarly about other mens' bodies.  In short, the whole debate needs a good dose of loosening up.  It's ridden with knee-jerk horrors and fears.

Having said that, I think it is characteristic of students to be enamored of their "learning" and be over confident, if not arrogant, regarding same. I know, I was there, once upon a time. Life and experience teach us that things are not always as they seem and that , as we gain experience, we become more aware of how little we really know. I say this with all due respect, Davan. At least you, being a student, may have an excuse for your intellectual conceits. Many others have no such excuse, they simply cling to their own views. 
 
Yes.  A much-noted phenomenon is that of students learning enough to be able to ditch commonly-held prejudices, only to take up a well-established range of minority-held prejudices instead.  Those sorts of prejudices can take a decade or more to shift, if they ever do.  I should know, because I've had a fair few of them.







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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:45:09 AM   
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the words sexual preference tend to imply choice.. I'd suggest that the words sexual orientation are much more appropriate...

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:46:13 AM   
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I'm a *blowjob domme*?  Dang!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:47:03 AM   
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I see your point.. but I still separate sexual acts from orientation... orientation is a lot more than sex... I can enjoy sex with men (just because I can enjoy it doesn't mean I'm doing it), but in the end, my romantic, longterm nesting and partnering is going to be with a woman.  That makes me, in my mind a lesbian.

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I'm looking at this from the angle that the orientation was always there yet buried. It's through the dominant's desire that the male feels less hesitation to indulge in something which he usually wouldn't. I don't believe a person's sexual orientation changes, it's how it is expressed that changes. 


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/27/2009 9:50:58 AM   
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Really?  perhaps that holds true for you... but it might not for others... I'm guessing then that you do not believe that someone would do something for their dominant, no matter how much they disliked it?



It's for that reason which sheds suspicion on the heterosexualness of man males who do admit they enjoy being forced to perform an activity which under any other circumstances they would not do.



Completely wrong. They enjoy BEING FORCED, not the activity. That sheds absolutely NO "suspicion on the heterosexualness". Although I believe the word is "heterosexuality".

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