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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 11:20:08 AM   
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Well Celtic, by your definition I guess I am racist, but when I have to tell the housekeeper:

Hice un poco un lío en el cuarto de baño, apesadumbrado sobre ése que era una noche áspera. ¿También puede usted poner el hojas negras del satén en la cama? Grazias

I kind of can't mistake her for Swedish ya know??? However, my view of a racist is someone who hates someone simply on the basis of who or what they are and/or will deny them opportunity based on that.

For example, my ex-girlfriend always said "Keeev, baybeee if ya'll keep hiring them to do shit for ya or buyin their crap they aint never goin' home" To me THAT is a racist. Not me.


Probably because that is the definition of racism, yanno?



     Not just hate, DA, but assigning all sorts of characteristics to people based on their ethnicity is rascism as well.  "Those Hispanics sure are hard-working, the Asians are such good students, if not for whisky, the rish would rule the world."  Culture is not the same as race.

     Great people come in all colors.  So do trash.


Heretic, "ethnicity" and "race" are two different things.
Unless they're black or asian "Hispanics" or "Latins" are  caucaision.
I don't know why some of them are trying to call themselves a different "race" but I think it mostly has to do with immigration status.
As if being a different "race" would somehow allow them to skirt our immigration laws.
Funny, they're only trying to call themselves a different "race" in the U.S., not in other countries. Only when some type of "benefits" are involved does this non starter come up and only in the U.S. not in Russia, Chile or even in Spain!
You could sit me beside a Swede and a Mexican and our "race" would all be "caucaision".
But the Swede would be "Nordic" I'd be "Celtic" and the Mexican would be "Hispanic" because he or she spoke Spanish.
Those would be our "ethnicities."
The three races are, Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anyone who tries to say that there are more than that needs to have a talk with God because that's all he (or she) made.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 11:27:31 AM   
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I realize you, and everyone else probably thinks thats a pussy excuse and the cowards way out etc, but thats the way it is. About the only thing I can do to fight it, without destroying myself, is to tell you that they are out there and they arent all toothless bastards in a Catterpillar baseball cap. They arent all the idiots you see on the Springer show in red robes screaming the N Word and making fools of themselves. Some of them are very rich, some of them are very powerful, some of them own corporate jets and half a million dollar helicopters and they cant be dismissed or underestimated, They arent gone, the "smart ones" just stay under the radar and like the man behind the curtain pull the strings to make ugly things like Jasper, and Vidor, and Spring happen. They are just smart enough not to get their own hands bloody, and to wind up the impressionable and terminally stupid to do the dirty work for them. Some of them raise kids too, even gorgeous girls who grow up to be women who parrot what daddy always said and sometimes I date those women. It doesnt mean I approve...  


Actually, I don't think your post was a pussy excuse or any other sort of excuse. I asked for an explanation and you were very straight forward and honest and provided one. I appreciate that and thank you very much for the post.

You do what you have to do because of the lifestyle you have and want to maintain. I understand that completely. I'm a slave, I do the same thing. I want to be in the position I'm in and so I do things which are required of me in order to maintain the status quo. There is no difference at all between us in that regard. We both want to live a certain way so we choose to do what it takes to make that happen. I would not make your choices and, given your screenname, I seriously doubt you'd make mine. In regard to other things we, obviously, have different priorities, but that's okay. I'm  a Vulcan wannabe after all: Infinite diversity in infinite combination and all that sort of thing. I do believe that while it may take all kinds to make the world go around, the ride probably doesn't have to be so bumpy. I'm much too logical to actually wear rose-colored glasses but I do remain hopeful that there will be no need for them one day because everyone will be color blind. I doubt it will happen in our lifetime, but it's possible that future generations will never understand why the level and type of melanin in their bodies used to mean something to some people but I would hope they will learn that it did so they won't make the same mistakes that have been made for so long.

Live long and prosper.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 12:11:30 PM   
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The three races are, Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anyone who tries to say that there are more than that needs to have a talk with God because that's all he (or she) made.



Anyone who says there are 'three races' should be automatically signed-up for a compulsory course on basic human genetics.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 12:21:43 PM   
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The three races are, Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anyone who tries to say that there are more than that needs to have a talk with God because that's all he (or she) made.



Anyone who says there are 'three races' should be automatically signed-up for a compulsory course on basic human genetics.


Kittin, I'm sorry, there's only "one" race right? "The Human race."
Then why are Hispanics trying to claim that they're a "different" race?
And only in the U.S.?
They're not "sensitive" about their "race" they're "sensitive" about their immigration status!

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:03:46 PM   
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The three races are, Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anyone who tries to say that there are more than that needs to have a talk with God because that's all he (or she) made.



Anyone who says there are 'three races' should be automatically signed-up for a compulsory course on basic human genetics.


Kittin, I'm sorry, there's only "one" race right? "The Human race."
Then why are Hispanics trying to claim that they're a "different" race?
And only in the U.S.?
They're not "sensitive" about their "race" they're "sensitive" about their immigration status!
The Spaniards were caucasian...most Latinos are a mixture of races...basically, they are descendants of Native Americans that lived in the US prior to the Spanish conquistadores.  Usually, due to the slave trade, many Latinos are also descendants of African slaves and of course, some Spanish blood as well...in my family there are dark, dark people...and several shades in between up to seemingly Causcasian.  To assume that they are Caucasian because of their lighter skin would be wrong.  My family are descendants of the Taino people, being from Puerto Rico...as are many people from that part of the Caribbean.  Hispanic simply means Spanish speaking.  Latinos are more a culture than any one race. 

As an aside...not ALL Latinos are immigrants, and of those that are immigrants, not ALL are illegal.  But i realize it's easier to hold on to prejudices in some cases than admit perhaps we were mistaken.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:05:40 PM   
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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:12:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we follow your 3 races theory popeye then the First Peoples would be asian wouldn't they?

Bearing Land Bridge
Boats from across the pacific
Either way their ancestral lines would be asian.


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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:21:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're correct Archer...most native Americans have certain physical and genetic signs that show a common link with Asian peoples...i had a professor in college who was an anthropology buff...he stated thatcould tell by looking at teeth, from where in Asia a native American person descended.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:23:56 PM   
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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:32:43 PM   
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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:40:11 PM   
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Just saw this scrolling in the "new forum posts" ticker on the left and had to give my 2 cents as far as racial classifications go. I don't usually post on here much, but...

 Actually, FIVE races (more accuately, sub-species, since race can mean virtually anything biological hence why some people preach that race should be replaced via clines, however most in the field believe they can co-exist functionally) of homo-sapien species (note that these are NOT classified via geographical locations, but I just added regions they have been the majority in at any time for illustration):

1. Australoid (largely found in southern India as well as Australia, pre-Caucasoid conquest),

2. Capoid (largely found in southern African, ex. Khoikhoi)

3. Caucasoid (largely found in Europe, the middle east, and historically north Africa and west Asia),

4. Congoid (largely found throughout sub-Saharan Africa)

5. Mongoloid (largely found in east and southwest Asia as well as the Americas pre-Caucasoid conquest),

Very rarely nowadays people simplify all of the final three into "negroid", making the total 3, but its very innaccurate. In modern America we often assume that black is just "black" due to the taboo of discussing race, but on the contrary; these are 2 genetically unique African races as seperate as white and black. Capoids have Epicanthic eyefolds (somewhat asiatic looking eyes and an overall "tight" look of the upper face), more of a more golden shade of brown skin vs pure Congoid ebony, and different hair texture and bone structures. Australoids are entirely separate and not even geographically connected to either of these groups, and quite frankly have nothing in common with the other two groups other than very dark skin. I won't go into cranial capacity and IQ differences between all of these because that always makes everyone go crazy...

 Indeed these terms are pretty much all "politically incorrect", but lets face it, science cant accomodate everyone's feelings/economically influenced morals all of the time. Even in physical/bioloogical anthropology courses at a famously leftist (and even Marxist) university like UCLA, we tossed these terms around casually whilst our latest published text books said they were bad and evil (with little to zero elaboration other than the token mention of the mapping of clines).

IE:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-01/sumc-rgm012705.php

Studies upon studies like these recieve little to know attention not because they are incorrect; just because in a country where mass paranoia of Balkanization exists and much of our 35%+ tax bracket economy is largely dependent on perpetual immigration induced wage deflation, its not tasty media. Race does exist. Why people use this as a pillar in the debate about racism vs anti-racism however, does not make ANY sense to me. If you acknowledge the existence of something, you are obligated to war with it?

Just a rant...

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 4:48:17 PM   
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Just a rant...



You said it, mate.




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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:17:05 PM   
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So, to be as honest and direct as possible - I associate with racists because thats the way it is in the Bay Area and Im in too deep, and can't change it because Ive got too much invested in terms of blood, sweat, tears and sleepless nights and am too fucking old to start over. 


...while it would be wrong for me to suggest that i think of DA is anything but, well, less than glowing terms, on these points i see his position. If one feels that one can not safely oppose a bad and terrible thing, then discretion is the better part of valour.
However, DA, i do hope you're keeping notes. There will come a time when what you know about a racist, possibly terrorist, organisation ought to be shared with security forces.

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:21:45 PM   
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If one feels that one can not safely oppose a bad and terrible thing, then discretion is the better part of valour.

There is no valour in opposing "safely"; neither is there honor, nor respect.

Doing what is right is not always easy, and is not always safe.


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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:24:36 PM   
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The three races are, Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anyone who tries to say that there are more than that needs to have a talk with God because that's all he (or she) made.



Anyone who says there are 'three races' should be automatically signed-up for a compulsory course on basic human genetics.


Kittin, I'm sorry, there's only "one" race right? "The Human race."
Then why are Hispanics trying to claim that they're a "different" race?
And only in the U.S.?
They're not "sensitive" about their "race" they're "sensitive" about their immigration status!
The Spaniards were caucasian...most Latinos are a mixture of races...basically, they are descendants of Native Americans that lived in the US prior to the Spanish conquistadores.  Usually, due to the slave trade, many Latinos are also descendants of African slaves and of course, some Spanish blood as well...in my family there are dark, dark people...and several shades in between up to seemingly Causcasian.  To assume that they are Caucasian because of their lighter skin would be wrong.  My family are descendants of the Taino people, being from Puerto Rico...as are many people from that part of the Caribbean.  Hispanic simply means Spanish speaking.  Latinos are more a culture than any one race. 

As an aside...not ALL Latinos are immigrants, and of those that are immigrants, not ALL are illegal.  But i realize it's easier to hold on to prejudices in some cases than admit perhaps we were mistaken.


Iron, that's true but most illegal aliens are latins or hispanics due to geography.
I'm not "predjudiced" against illegal aliens whatever their country of origin, I just want them out.
I'd like to see my govt do it's job for once!
I'm of Irish descent, let's do the Irish illegals first!

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:28:17 PM   
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I'm of Irish descent, let's do the Irish illegals first!



What material interest would anybody from the European Union have in coming over to America illegally for economic reasons?

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:46:20 PM   
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So, to be as honest and direct as possible - I associate with racists because thats the way it is in the Bay Area and Im in too deep, and can't change it because Ive got too much invested in terms of blood, sweat, tears and sleepless nights and am too fucking old to start over. 


...while it would be wrong for me to suggest that i think of DA is anything but, well, less than glowing terms, on these points i see his position. If one feels that one can not safely oppose a bad and terrible thing, then discretion is the better part of valour.
However, DA, i do hope you're keeping notes. There will come a time when what you know about a racist, possibly terrorist, organisation ought to be shared with security forces.
I went back and reread the original post TWICE ,I fail to see where there is any "opposing" going on, safely or otherwise..Now it's possible I'm missing something and if anyone can point it out to me I would appreciate it   

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:48:18 PM   
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I went back and reread the original post TWICE ,I fail to see where there is any "opposing" going on safely or otherwise..Now it's possible I'm missing something and if anyone can point it out to me I would appreciate it

You're not missing anything.  You can't see what's not there.


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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:53:33 PM   
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I'm of Irish descent, let's do the Irish illegals first!



What material interest would anybody from the European continent have in coming over to America illegally for economic reasons?



Kittin, ah........... last time I checked Ireland wasn't on the European continent.
Did those bastards move it again?

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RE: James Byrd Jr - 6/9/2008 5:55:48 PM   
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