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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/13/2008 9:30:59 PM   
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Flip side of the religious coin: the Wesboro Baptist Church . These people are fucking insane... and they subject their brood to the most insane rhetorical violence  .

Kittin, damn are those people insane!
Wouldn't you like to *enforce the laws* on their asses?

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/13/2008 10:45:57 PM   
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But Popeye, these poor, misunderstood, "twue" Christians are just trying to help the hell bound before it's too late
 

 
The word L O S E R S comes to mind.

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/13/2008 11:01:02 PM   
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It makes me puke and laugh in the same instant.  These little tracts have been with us since the inception of 'right reason' but now you can read it is something we gotta get a handle on because it is so immenent and real?  Don't be some kind of religious girlie boys.



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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 12:55:45 AM   
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I think that the main issue is that the school is a private school.  There is not enough information here to determine if the students are being taught that that killing non believers is something from their history only or a practice that should continue in the present.  And yes, the Old Testment is full of violence and brutal punishments yet remains a text used on many private religious campuses.



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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 7:16:50 AM   
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It’s a shame that something that is basically good, like most mainstream religions, always seem to draw fanatics and the mentally unstable.

But what is even worse we seem to allow ourselves to be led by them.


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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 7:22:14 AM   
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Doesn't the bible say similar things?

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Does it? Did you want to share those verses with us?

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 7:24:06 AM   
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I am a Christian....but I don't believe any religion should teach killing...children or adults. The separation of church and state is very important but no religion should be allowed a teaching that directly breaks the laws of our country.
What law(s) are they breaking, exactly?



It is against the law to kill someone.

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 7:32:08 AM   
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I am a Christian....but I don't believe any religion should teach killing...children or adults. The separation of church and state is very important but no religion should be allowed a teaching that directly breaks the laws of our country.
What law(s) are they breaking, exactly?



It is against the law to kill someone.


Clearly.  But is it against the law to talk about killing someone (other than the president)?


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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 7:56:30 AM   
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I suspect that it's in the schools where the offspring of those pesky Islamic fundamentalists go to school. I know and work with many Islamic people and they have not been taught or taught their children any such thing.
 
I suspect that piece was meant to flame Muslims, the in thing to do these days *wink*.
 
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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 1:05:57 PM   
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Doesn't the bible say similar things?

Daddy's ballerina "e"


Does it? Did you want to share those verses with us?


You didn't say 'which' Bible, so I've included a selection from which you may choose.

Want to worship a Diety besides the one in the bible? - Death sentence
 
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 KJV)

The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:6-9 KJV)

Kids a brat? - Death sentence

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 KJV)

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21: 17 KJV)

Daughter not a virgin? Death sentence

But if this charge is true and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 KJV)

Got some enemies? No problem, rape and death are just moments away and don't spare any of that silly compassion on clones, kill them, too!
 
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. (Isaiah 13:11-18 KJV)

And so on and so forth - death, rape, sacrifice, mutilation etc in the bible for being gay, for sleeping around, for not worshipping correctly or saying 'no' to your folks. Man, woman, child, makes no difference. That God guy has got one bad temper .. or, maybe that's just what's been taught.

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. (Deuteronomy 22:22 KJV)


If that's not enough evidence, let me know because there are scores and scores more. 
 
 

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 3:20:28 PM   
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Just read 1/3 of that piece about the church. What a bunch of loonies!

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RE: Troubling texts? - 6/14/2008 4:12:50 PM   
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A most excellent post, BitaTruble!

Huzzah!

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