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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:31:21 AM

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Its sad that we have to have such a harsh lesson before we learn. We tend to be too stubborn for our own good at times.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:34:54 AM

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So I ask, why are the people of Iowa not crying and complaining about the government as much as New Orleans did with its flood?

Are you fucking kidding me???!!!

The only thing more disgraceful than the way the state and federal governments fucked up was the way people were looting everything they could get their hands on like 20 pairs of Nikes at a time, flat panel TVs, jewelry, and things like that.

The state and federal governments hung New Orleans out to dry. The federal government won't let another New Orleans fiasco happen. They'll bust their ass to get aid there as quickly as possible. What happened in Iowa is no doubt a tragedy, but it wasn't nearly as bad as New Orleans because there was so much loss of life.

Best wishes to those in Iowa and other flooded areas. May God be with you.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:41:56 AM

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And how many police officers in Iowa, "rescued cadillacs" like many of the p.o.'s in NOLA did from Cadillac dealorships?

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:42:46 AM

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Maybe the lesson is don't have a natural disater if Your local and state Government is arguably the most corrupt in the Nation...Oh yeah sending members of Your P.O. to Vegas while the disaster plays out is never a good idea

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:43:28 AM

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And the Coast Guard was in NOLA right away!
They didn't "wait" like Fema. They went right in.
Also, Des Moines' mayor is not Ray Nagin. 'Nuff said.

Yes the coast guard went right out, and just for the record nothing in my earlier post about them having to return to Houston to change configuration is intended to indicate the USCG "wasnt ready". As a matter of practice, most Coast Guard helicopters deployed in the US are in a "stripped down" configuration so as to get maximum range... Every pound you remove from the helo in terms of armor and armament is more fuel you can carry which will enable you to reach vessels, platforms, or persons in distress further out in the Gulf. So the Coast Guard was completely ready for a peacetime rescue mission. What they werent ready for was doing "Jolly Green" Pararescue missions under fire in a combat zone! The mechanics worked tirelessly to get those helos converted to the armored combat configuration, not normally used in the Gulf!

How bad did it get in NOLA? A little known fact - a US Navy SEAL team went into the city to secure some laboratories at Tulane University that would have posed a real problem if looted. (They were working with some rather nasty bugs) The SEALs were driven back and had to retreat and regroup!!! Its kind of hard to help people when the fucking SEALs cant fight their way into the city...

NOLA was people acting badly, it wasnt racial bias, it was rescuer safety. FEMA, Bush, the GOP etc isnt responsible for maintaining law and order in the city or New Orleans - thats theoretically the job of the police dept. Its pretty freaking sad whan Blackwater Security - which is essentially a mercanary firm staffed with ex-SEALs and Special Forces - has to brought in to take back an American city.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:50:40 AM

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So I ask, why are the people of Iowa not crying and complaining about the government as much as New Orleans did with its flood?

Are you fucking kidding me???!!!

The only thing more disgraceful than the way the state and federal governments fucked up was the way people were looting everything they could get their hands on like 20 pairs of Nikes at a time, flat panel TVs, jewelry, and things like that.

The state and federal governments hung New Orleans out to dry. The federal government won't let another New Orleans fiasco happen. They'll bust their ass to get aid there as quickly as possible. What happened in Iowa is no doubt a tragedy, but it wasn't nearly as bad as New Orleans because there was so much loss of life.

Best wishes to those in Iowa and other flooded areas. May God be with you.

I CALL BULLSHIT FROM FUCKING HELL. Are you here???? Are you in a flood zone in IOWA?>?????? I think fucking not so guess what. You are damn wrong as I have been saying in the last 3 fucking posts. I am IN Des Moines. WE USED COMMON SENSE AND LEARNED FORM THE FLOOD IN 93!!! WE DON;T NEED THE DAMN FEMA. We actually LISTEN to the people who come banging on our doors saying "Hey...kindly get the fuck out by 6 pm. "

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Oh and guess what...we didn;t have such a loss of life between the major cities because we listened...and those of us who did need to be rescued didnt SHOOT THE FUCKING VOLUNTEERS!! I have a lovely little bullet hole in my arm and damned if I will EVER help out in NOLA again...sorry but...I don't want a matching one on the other arm.

As far as looting and shit. YEAH common sense...its flooding..HELLO?!?! get out of NOLA...or loot faster one of the two.

This si what pisses me off...How can you compare something like NOLA with Iowa when we have a Mayor who doesnt pocket our rescue and aid funds. I dare someone to bring up race one more time...I need to yell some more. Until you come here and see what the fuck we are dealing with....BACK OFF. Claim as much as you want or think you know about NOLA...you werent there for that one either...I bet most of you have never even been through a hurricane like my family has. I was born during hugo and survived Andrew, Floyd Dennis and had a close run in with Rita. Just 2 weeks ago I had a tornado rip through my place of work. Now tell me something. am I sposed to blame my government for not getting that tree out of my living room??? Or maybe the loss of my cats???? or maybe,.,..just maybe....when you listen to people saying hey..this is gonna be nasty..maybe we should go...GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO!!! FUCK YOUR PICTURES...FUCK YOUR PRECIOUS LIVING OR BEDROOM SETS....GO!!!

This gets fucking ridiculous...I think I may go beat the crap out of my punching bag now...later

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 10:58:39 AM

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And I dare say that the whole state of Iowa doesn't have 100,000 or so drug addicts "Jonesing" from lack of heroin and crack cocaine and shooting each other to steal drugs from the other drug addict who did have drugs.
"Friend" one day murder victim the next.
Am I close?

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:11:10 AM

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So I ask, why are the people of Iowa not crying and complaining about the government as much as New Orleans did with its flood?

Are you fucking kidding me???!!!

The only thing more disgraceful than the way the state and federal governments fucked up was the way people were looting everything they could get their hands on like 20 pairs of Nikes at a time, flat panel TVs, jewelry, and things like that.

The state and federal governments hung New Orleans out to dry. The federal government won't let another New Orleans fiasco happen. They'll bust their ass to get aid there as quickly as possible. What happened in Iowa is no doubt a tragedy, but it wasn't nearly as bad as New Orleans because there was so much loss of life.

Best wishes to those in Iowa and other flooded areas. May God be with you.

I CALL BULLSHIT FROM FUCKING HELL. Are you here???? Are you in a flood zone in IOWA?>?????? I think fucking not so guess what. You are damn wrong as I have been saying in the last 3 fucking posts. I am IN Des Moines. WE USED COMMON SENSE AND LEARNED FORM THE FLOOD IN 93!!! WE DON;T NEED THE DAMN FEMA. We actually LISTEN to the people who come banging on our doors saying "Hey...kindly get the fuck out by 6 pm. "

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Oh and guess what...we didn;t have such a loss of life between the major cities because we listened...and those of us who did need to be rescued didnt SHOOT THE FUCKING VOLUNTEERS!! I have a lovely little bullet hole in my arm and damned if I will EVER help out in NOLA again...sorry but...I don't want a matching one on the other arm.

As far as looting and shit. YEAH common sense...its flooding..HELLO?!?! get out of NOLA...or loot faster one of the two.

This si what pisses me off...How can you compare something like NOLA with Iowa when we have a Mayor who doesnt pocket our rescue and aid funds. I dare someone to bring up race one more time...I need to yell some more. Until you come here and see what the fuck we are dealing with....BACK OFF. Claim as much as you want or think you know about NOLA...you werent there for that one either...I bet most of you have never even been through a hurricane like my family has. I was born during hugo and survived Andrew, Floyd Dennis and had a close run in with Rita. Just 2 weeks ago I had a tornado rip through my place of work. Now tell me something. am I sposed to blame my government for not getting that tree out of my living room??? Or maybe the loss of my cats???? or maybe,.,..just maybe....when you listen to people saying hey..this is gonna be nasty..maybe we should go...GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO!!! FUCK YOUR PICTURES...FUCK YOUR PRECIOUS LIVING OR BEDROOM SETS....GO!!!

This gets fucking ridiculous...I think I may go beat the crap out of my punching bag now...later

Damn, shorty...that wasn't directed toward me in any way, was it?

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:20:07 AM

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Wow. I was on a clean up crew after Hugo when you were being born. I was there for Andrew and got sent out to help board up windows near the bases. Then we helped move Air Force personnel and their families to the naval bases so that they would have a place to live for a while. Shorty, you're making me feel old.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:22:37 AM

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Just quickly, this thread looks like an absurd misery context.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:39:14 AM

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And where's HERALDO?
Any HERALDO sightings out there in Iowa?
"As you can hear somewhere in the distance behind me there's a tremendous amount of gunfire and automatic weapons fire going on!"
"Could that be the NOLA police with the automatic weapons or more likely, the drug dealers!"
"Oh the Humanity!"
"I LOVE the Coast Guard!"
"I LOVE the Navy!"
"I LOVE the Marines!"
"I LOVE the National Guard!"
"I LOVE the Air Force!"
"Here! Let me give you a hand with that old lady on the stretcher!"
"Get the fuck out of the way HERALDO!"

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:41:46 AM

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I call bullshit on all the bullshit being flung in this thread.

Look at the actual facts
NOLA pop at the time 500,000 (functionally all had to evacuated)
Des Moines pop 200,000 (only a fraction is affected by the flooding)

Des Moines and areas are dealing with a river flood. Evacuation is pretty simple, move a couple of hundred yards inland. NOLA was dealing with an area flood, the entire region was underwater and the nearest high ground, Greta LA, was barred by the scum who live there that meant the nearest safe area with clean water was about 20 miles away from the in city evacuation sites.

Des Moines designated evacuation sites haven't been abandoned and no food or water delivered for days on end. No military unit is holed up in the back of any Des Moines evacuation center letting people die while the do nothing. Unfortunately the same things cannot be said about NOLA.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:54:04 AM

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DomKen, and how could we forget the video of the NOLA cops caught comming out of that K-Mart, "redhanded" (infragrante delicto) armsloads of booty?
"We ain't stealin',... we's "Recquoistioning!" (LOL)

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:55:14 AM

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Just a few thoughts:

Access to affected areas is very limited and has only just been granted starting yesterday. There is a water shortage; we were allowed water for drinking only until yesterday. Now we may use water for other limited purposes every other day, based on our address (odd or even).

There were evacuations before the major flooding. Just like N.O., some did not leave; there were at least 200 boat rescues of folks who did not evacuate when they were ordered to. I believe one of the primary reasons given was not wanting to leave pets behind. That was a prevalent reason in N.O. as well, it seems to me.

FEMA is indeed here and has been assisting. The National Guard is here and in CR, we are getting additional assistance from PDs in Minneapolis and Chicago. Our officers have been on 12 hour shifts non-stop since the flooding started.

Iowans do indeed rock. We are a compassionate people. Many, like shorty, helped in New Orleans after Katrina. And some from New Orleans have come here now, remembering that help. If anyone believes that New Orleanians did not give aid and comfort to each other after the hurricane then you’re naive.

I think we all learned from Katrina. What we haven’t learned is to stop judging people, even in the face of a nightmare. I don’t know how anyone can claim to know the mindsets of the folks before Katrina hit. It was a disaster unimagined. The horrific misfortune should be enough to suggest, “there but for the grace…”

Instead we always seem to need to find a reason to distance ourselves from the possibility of a similar experience, by finding a reason or reasons for which it is the “victims’” fault.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:58:26 AM

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Ken, try going up there and looking at it. A couple hundred yards doesn't cover it.

Houses completely filled to the eaves, water in the streets up to the level of the sign posts, entire sections of town under water .... Maybe its not as big and pretty as NOLA was but it was where people lived.

As for your numbers, you left out a few. You said 200,000 for Des Moines with only a percentage affected. Then there were 122,000 in Cedar Rapids ... with only some affected. Add the 62,000 in Iowa City .... but only some were affected. Then there are the cities that were the small towns that were almost completely destroyed by the flooding on its way to the big cities. This hit almost statewide. A couple of hundred yards to get away from it is a ridiculous statement.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 11:59:56 AM

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Both were a tragedy however you look at it,Diane aunt lost her business and two homes IN NO...still hasn't gotten the insurance company to settle in full...granted Iowa hasn't the gang influence of pillage and rape...No matter how much you argue the situation the mind set of those two places are complety different...WE love the party town and if you walk the streest much past the quarter after dark more then likely you shall end up dead.....Fema and the state of LA fucked up big time and heads should roll,everyone knew the leveys couldn't stand that type of storm so why wasn't some thing done before hand to solve the problem..bounty

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 12:11:06 PM

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Bounty, what I couldn't figure out was why so many people were walking around with stolen television sets and other electrical appliances.
There was no power anywhere.
Where did they think they were going to plug them in?

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 12:24:36 PM

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Ken, try going up there and looking at it. A couple hundred yards doesn't cover it.

Houses completely filled to the eaves, water in the streets up to the level of the sign posts, entire sections of town under water .... Maybe its not as big and pretty as NOLA was but it was where people lived.

As for your numbers, you left out a few. You said 200,000 for Des Moines with only a percentage affected. Then there were 122,000 in Cedar Rapids ... with only some affected. Add the 62,000 in Iowa City .... but only some were affected. Then there are the cities that were the small towns that were almost completely destroyed by the flooding on its way to the big cities. This hit almost statewide. A couple of hundred yards to get away from it is a ridiculous statement.

Just got off the phone with a client in Cedar Rapids. He had to evacuate his nice river front home. Total loss it appears. However he confirmed the flood only reaches about 200 yards from the usual river bank. News reports from Des Moines shows the same thing. Katrina affected an area around NOLA of 90,000 square miles (based on the disaster declarations) the floods happening right now are not even within a couple of orders of magnitude of that.

As to population 500,000 is only the city of NOLA. All of southern LA had to be evacuated. The number affected dwarfs what is happening in the midwest right now.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 1:10:20 PM

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I get so freaking tired of this conversation. Personally I don't think the president or FEMA or some racial conspiracy is what happened to New Orleans -- it was a natural disaster and how it fueled a failure to a man-made item. What happened that didn't work was how to successfully evacuate half a million people from a major metro area. There was greed, corruption, theft, bad people and all sorts of things that did happen but none of it is what caused the problem.

We tend to get on here and spout all sorts of made up statistics as though they were real and for what reason I couldn't possible tell you. In this thread someone actually said that most people didn't evacuate -- that's 100% false. Every route out of the city was lined up with bumper to bumper traffic for 100s of miles in every direction with people evacuating. It is true that a lot of people (not most) did not leave. I'm sure each has their own reason. Some were in hospitals, some didn't have a way to leave, some here hard headed and some were seeing an opportunity to steal.

I get tired of the footage where some asshole was looting TVs was shown over and over as though the entire population of NO was sitting around waiting for the lights to go out so they could get something for free. There were and are actual citizens there that have businesses, pay taxes and work their butts off to provide for their families just like in the rest of the world. There are banks, schools, tech companies and all sorts of other industries there. Are you people really saying they somehow deserved what they got because of the city they live in?

I feel deeply for the people people affected by the flooding now. I hope people are safe and that they find a way to put their lives back together. I hope as a county we do what we can to help. I don't think that their situation has one thing to do with New Orleans. I don't think that everyone in IA is better that everyone in LA. I'm quite sure there are good and bad people in both places. I don't want anything bad to happen to anyone no matter where they are from.

I do know not everyone is NO bashing and didn't mean to imply it with the "you people" remark.

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RE: Iowa vs New Orleans - 6/16/2008 1:11:13 PM

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Wonderful post, subtee. MusicalBoredom also...

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