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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/18/2008 9:09:13 PM   
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And how again did Bush in the 1990s give Enron a pipline contract with China's oil development, a profiteering loophole, and Ken Lay a seat on the President's energy council?

Lalalala indeed... completely ignoring the fact that only one party benefits from these things... the party of rich people.

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/18/2008 9:58:21 PM   
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Ken, my family owns partial mineral rights on some of the Oklahoma oil land you're talking about - and you're right, nothing at all is being done about uncapping still productive wells to start producing again.  I wish they would - there was sufficient monthly revenue from even Partial rights on a few wells prior to the Bust out here, that with today's oil prices the revenue checks from those rights would keep my bills paid, my dad's bills paid, a couple of friends' bills paid, and still leave me money to put in the bank as savings! 

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During Oklahoma's Oil Bust that Ken mentioned in his post, it wasn't just Rigs/Wells that got shut down - it was Refineries as well.  I can think of Several which I've Personally Been At during my childhood and teen years while my grandfather worked for Phillips - all of which now sit turning to rust because there wasn't enough profit in keeping them open.  It wouldn't take That much to rehab them, rather than building whole new facilities, and I'm willing to bet that TX, LA, MS, and AR have some of the same sitting around.


You know, it's a big circle.
If people in the U.S. will *stop buying* all that crap in Walmart that's made in China and India then that will slow down demand for gasoline in those countries.
You need to start thinking of Walmart as your *enemy.* For any number of reasons.
There's no "shortage" of gasoline anywhere that I am aware of. (supply and demand.)I can almost garauntee you that gasoline consumption in this country this summer will be down about 6% over last summer. Maybe more.
And, there is a tremendous amount of "resistance" now that the price of gas is at $4.00. That tells me that this market won't "support" $4 per gallon gasoline prices for much longer.
A lot of stock prices are going down.
And a lot of people in oil producing countries *own* those stocks and they're losing a lot of money because the system is out of equilibrium.
If you look at it like a bicycle tire there's a buldge on that tire and it's slowing down the bike everytime we drive over it.
A lot of this is due to speculators.
When those speculators finally realize that the game is over things will head south real fast and the "buldge" gets "fixed."
Those things tend to get exagerated and it would not surprise me at all to see gasoline go down to $2.70 to $2.30 before finding it's equilibrium again. (An "inward" buldge on the tire.) (Look up "ICE" the options firm in England)
Then of course we'll have congressional hearings into corporate speculators and they may even hang a few of them out to dry.
If you only knew when that time was you could make millions of dollars.
In the meantime I own shares of a tanker ship company that's paying me 12.20% in dividends as of the close of the market today that takes some of the sting out of it, "NAT." 


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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 1:45:56 AM   
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Well, the stock price went up so the yield is "down" to 11.90%.

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 4:30:29 AM   
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You are the exact type of person I targeted when I asked about the MPG.
You are the one crying about lower oil prices ruining the environment.
So fess up.  What do you do to help the environment?
Drive a hybrid?  Fuel cell?  Rig a desiel engine to run off veggie oil?
Come on.  don't be shy.  We won't laugh that much.


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The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.

Let me see if i understant this ,it's an election year gas prices are up Bush blames liberals tells the electorate it's those damm liberals that are standing between you and the return of the $2.00 gallon,you vote for a good Republican(therby making the head of the Republican party happy BTW Bush is the head of the GOP)With the republicans allowing and profitting from it the oil companys are given even more of a free hand in raping the enviorment Oil companys and their friends(Bush again) are happy...and if the plan works ,if the dream is realised and gas returns to $2.00 a gallon we can all just keep going along befouling the enviorment some more...Yup sounds like a win win situation all around...is that basically the picture

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 4:36:22 AM   
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I read a moment ago oil production in OK is 100%.
If this is wrong, please tell me the names of some of these oil fields that are sitting idle.
I want to do more research.

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 4:43:01 AM   
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I want to do more research.



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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 5:02:24 AM   
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Actually it's not, it will fall back to somewhere between $50 to $70 per barrel...Within 8 months.


No it won't.  How the hell are you coming up with that estimate?  Do you think China and India are just going to stop buying oil?  OPEC isn't increasing output, and we really can't make them.  We can't refine anymore than we already are.  We don't have the facilities.  It would take years to get enough refineries operating to even make a significant difference. 


And these are the same oil companies we think will drill in Alaska the ones that won’t spend money on creating new refineries? Even OPEC told us we need to build more refineries. One bad hurricane season and we could see gas go to  6 bucks a gallon!   I personally don’t believe oil companies will spend their own money to drill for new oil I think they will want a government hand out to do so. But we will see….    




They already are getting a government handout, $18 billion dollars per year in tax reductions that are supposed to be used to allow them to increase production.  The Democrats tried to to rescind it recently but were blocked by the Republicans in Congress and the eventual threat of a veto by Bush.   

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 5:23:26 AM   
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As for the speculators, in 2000 approximately $9 billion was invested in oil futures, while today that number has gone up to $250 billion. Now, if any publicly traded company had an additional $241 billion put into its stock in the same period, its stock would rise out of sight too—even if the company was not worth anywhere near that amount of market capitalization.


Source : http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/apr2008/bw2008041_945564.htm?chan=rss_topEmailedStories_ssi_5

Even if it was thew case that moil supply was increased. how would it be refined ? Refineries in the EU are running almost at capacity, why would executives build multi billion dollar refineries while the price of your fuel is relatively low ?  This is the main reason no refineries have been built since the 70s, returns dont justify the costs involved.

There is also the point that some types of oil, is more expensive to turn into petrol, so until the price of oil makes it worthwhile to do so, the oil will stay where it is.




That's the whole point though.  The wells that were capped, that other posters mentioned, were not economical for the oil companies to extract at $25 or even $50 a barrel, now it's bouncing around between $135 and $140.  Clearly profitable but more difficult and costly to extract than if they can convince Congress to open ANWR and the coasts for drilling for oil that is easier to extract and allows them a higher profit margin.  

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 12:59:04 PM   
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Why don't you go play near your parents?  The adults are trying to have a conversation.

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I want to do more research.



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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 1:25:33 PM   
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conversation.



Are you sure you know the meaning of the word  ?

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 4:49:56 PM   
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You are the exact type of person I targeted when I asked about the MPG.
You are the one crying about lower oil prices ruining the environment.
So fess up.  What do you do to help the environment?
Drive a hybrid?  Fuel cell?  Rig a desiel engine to run off veggie oil?
Come on.  don't be shy.  We won't laugh that muc

type of person? Targeted? And You expect a response ,lets see what could I say to You without incurring the wrath of the mods....how about...no that will get me in trouble ...okay ....no ...that won't work either...allright tell You what you send me a detailed list of the sacrifices You have made(BTW getting good MPG is not a sacrifice ,it;s just smart)and I will look them over and if need be I will drop out of the conversation as unworthy....will that work for You....truth be told I don't really give a shit whether it does or not....

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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 5:08:16 PM   
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Democrat, Republican who cares? What we have now is republacrats!! Seriously the only differnce is they force feed you bullshit from differnt angles. Both leave you bent over ass cheaks spread screaming fuck me harder government...

(sorry this girl is beyond her breaking point when it comes to our government)


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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 5:26:51 PM   
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I love this post!


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Democrat, Republican who cares? What we have now is republacrats!! Seriously the only differnce is they force feed you bullshit from differnt angles. Both leave you bent over ass cheaks spread screaming fuck me harder government...

(sorry this girl is beyond her breaking point when it comes to our government)



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RE: Bush made it quite plain today - 6/19/2008 6:50:30 PM   
Casie


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I love this post!


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Democrat, Republican who cares? What we have now is republacrats!! Seriously the only differnce is they force feed you bullshit from differnt angles. Both leave you bent over ass cheaks spread screaming fuck me harder government...

(sorry this girl is beyond her breaking point when it comes to our government)




Thank you, happy you enjoyed it!!

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