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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 6:53:54 AM   
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Rope can be used to be very decorative but no matter what, enough movement, twitching, and fidgeting will free the person bound by rope alone.

Hello There,
You've obviously not met some of my rope master firends here in the DC area. They could tie you so you'd never get out ever if they didn't want you to. I know this first hand as I've been tied in rope so that I was comfortable, but could not get out period no matter how much I struggled.
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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 7:10:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps he just needs to read this book, or maybe this one. If knots come undone just from twitching and fidgeting, you're either not tying them properly or you're not using the right knot for the job.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 10:44:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

do ya'll prefer braided or twisted ropes for bondage?


Twisted hemp. Love the hemp :)


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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 10:46:14 AM   
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I saw someone mention hemp...where do you find that?


twistedmonk.com is our current favorite - but there are quite a few out there making good hemp.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 11:01:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is really one of the best and my favorite nawa shibari step by step sites. Its not free.. but it contains a lot of knowledge.

http://www.kikkou.com

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 1:53:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
Rope can be used to be very decorative but no matter what, enough movement, twitching, and fidgeting will free the person bound by rope alone.


These people are called eels. They can be tied such that they can not escape quite easily. You can tie them so that struggle only tightens their bonds. That science in the Japanese sense is called Hojojutsu.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 3:32:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master mnottertail thanks for the information. The Owner must be proficient with Hojojutsu because no matter how eel like I behave the bonds get tighter and tighter. Nice to know the name for it!

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 5:07:09 PM   
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http://www.powerotics.com/shibari/shib01.htm (background)

http://www.powerotics.com/shibari/shib21.htm (suggested lengths of rope)


http://www.shibari.info/kata/ (some ties)

http://www.shibari.info/kata/karada/nav.htm (have had this done and love it!! So beautiful for photos!)

http://www.graydancer.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=ART (some gorgeous photo galleries. )

http://www.nawashibari.com/techniques/index02.html?shinju/shinjutie07.shtml~mainstage (crotch rope tie Mmmmmmmmmm)

Have FUN!

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 5:11:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Why use rope when we now have chain, locks, cuffs, velcro, plastic wrap, duct tape, and coban skin/wound dressing?

I love rope...soft rope, scratchy rope, thin rope, thick rope...I have black, blue, red, white and natural in the toy box.

I enjoy other forms of bondage too, but there is something about rope that melts me...The feel, the look...Yummmmy!

Cindi

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/4/2005 5:21:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a great site for rop...rope of all colors, yummm..I have been tied with this rope..very, very nice..
www.rainbowrope.com Just something different than what has been stated here..

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/5/2005 1:34:56 AM   
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Wow thanks everyone for all the information.

My next question is whether or not the rope you can buy at a local sex shop is adequate to use (again, this isn't for too much advanced stuff, at least for now lol), or if the better stuff can be found elsewhere?

I saw someone mention hemp...where do you find that?


I'd be looking at the local harwear store, marine su[pplies often have good hemp ope as the local supplier of outdoors and climbing gear. repelling rope is excelent too, for good rope. Here when in doubt the ywllow pages directory (for businessed) is a good start.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/5/2005 2:18:55 AM   
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Wow thanks everyone for all the information.

My next question is whether or not the rope you can buy at a local sex shop is adequate to use (again, this isn't for too much advanced stuff, at least for now lol), or if the better stuff can be found elsewhere?

I saw someone mention hemp...where do you find that?
for just simple "to the bedposts" stuff you dont even have to bother with a sex shop. polypropline rope can be found in most big hardware stores.

Hemp rope can be found at all of these websites .....

treated
http://www.artsensual.de
http://www.bindme.nl/etouw3.htm
http://www.japanrope.com/
http://www.kinkyropes.com/store/store_hemp.php
http://nawashi.com/shopnawashi/index.html
http://www.twistedmonk.com/
http://www.heliosproject.com/store.php

untreated
http://www.hempmasters.com/
http://www.americanhemptwine.com/
http://www.knotandrope.com/
http://rainbowrope.com/natural.html
http://www.rawganique.com/HArope.htm
http://www.hempemporium.com/


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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/5/2005 3:50:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I, too, think that very capable bondage can be performed with a few basic knots. It is the pattern that makes it interesting. Bondage alone can put a sub into subspace. I've seen hardcore, edge play subs bound intricately for the first time and put into deep, tearful headspaces as the tying prgressed.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/5/2005 5:11:34 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		For those of you opposed to the mystical Japenese aspects of Shibari...

If you looked at the Karada (or Turtle harness) above, in the links; consider the utility of it. It is a cargo net. Military people will understand the implications of this immediatly. It has many points to which other ropes could be secured for immobilization or stricture in movement at the very least (ala Gulliver) or an anchor for more rope to do other patterns.

Hope this will interest a few of you who find this confusing......it really ain't.

Ron

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 5:31:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Why use rope when we now have chain, locks, cuffs, velcro, plastic wrap, duct tape, and coban skin/wound dressing?

Rope can be used to be very decorative but no matter what, enough movement, twitching, and fidgeting will free the person bound by rope alone.


Because a few ropes alone, rather than being just decorative, can become a torture if apllied well, and that's not easily achieved with just a pair of cuffs. As for getting out, if that's really such an issue, try to wiggle yourself out of a suspension bondage without damaging yourself.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 5:42:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
Rope can be used to be very decorative but no matter what, enough movement, twitching, and fidgeting will free the person bound by rope alone.


quote:


Because a few ropes alone, rather than being just decorative, can become a torture if apllied well, and that's not easily achieved with just a pair of cuffs. As for getting out, if that's really such an issue, try to wiggle yourself out of a suspension bondage without damaging yourself.


It is about time to let FangsNfeet off the hook. He has obviously mis-spoke or had something else in mind while posting and mis-conveyed the thought...

A trivial counter-example to the post (I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT ADVOCATE THIS SO DON'T SEND HATE MAIL (but if you do, send it on another subject-- it makes my day)).

Hang even a correctly but poorly tied noose about the neck and let yourself down gently. This would be a primary example of a time you would not wish to eel in order to get yourself loose.


LOL,
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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 7:53:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw the hungry tiger give links for "treated" and "untreated" ropes...what is the difference?

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 7:55:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wel, the untreated are, ehm, untreated. Which means that if you want to turn them into reasonably comfortable bondage ropes you have to treat them yourself. That saves quite a few bicks, but it is a load of tough work to do.

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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 8:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		raw (untreated) rope is straight out of manufacturning. Little hairs sticking out, hulls perhaps... so some people boil it to soften, some use salt with their water, some throw it in the washer, then after it dries..not in a dryer please, softly gently and slowly in a warm dry place, they then run a torch over it or an alchohol lamp or some other method to remove the hairs that might cause itchiness and so forth.... Then, as all rope rots over time, they use some propylactic (gawd there is a sensible use of the word) method to add fluid resistance to the rope, some use vasaline, some mink oil.........well there are about as many formulas to grease rope as there are ways to make salsa, I suppose.........

(cause even if you get some blood on it or some vaginal or seminal fluid or poopie, you can kinda semi-safely then put the rope in the sun, or under ultra-violet to disturb the nasties enough so it is not too catchy.)

thats a model that works for the most part.

For this reason, although the ultimate is to have hemp and flax on hand. You probably want to start with the non-poly centered clothes line rope or some such. For the most part you aint gonna wanna share ropes with others (I found it out the hard way for only emotional reasons) . you work with the cheap stuff learning to tie and figuring custom lengths for the slut or boy you are using. General lenghts of course are given as a guideline. Hemp and flax is a lot of work, but they are the ultimate BOMB........ Hemp varies as does quality I see someone who has a website who posts here can get you flax for around a buck a foot, I know that is the long way around the farm but we can't mention names of third parties by TOS. Now read what I said about flax and hemp earlier on this thread or another, I forget.

Whew, was that too much info?


LMAO,
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RE: Rope Bondage - 11/6/2005 9:25:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've always used the "traditional" hemp rope for general use which I'd soak in sea water and stretch out to dry in the sun. For disinfecting if necessary, a good soak in a stronmg breach solution and if you like followed by another soak in a eucalyptus disinfectant, then sun dried. The advantage for me in using such rope is that irrespective of the size (from 1/4" to 4' diameter which is the range I've used), I can with the aid of a fid/marlin spike, back splice and then bind the ends of the rope to stop fraying. For bondage I'll use different coloured waxed thread to designate the length of the rope (100', 50', 25', 12' and 8')

On a totaly semantic note, I have been informed by both my FiL who is somewhat of a rope expert and another maye who was a Chief Petty Officer (Seaman Branch) RAN, that there is only one rope and the rest of what we mistakenly call rope is in fact cordage. What they refer to as rope is twisted steep wire with a core/heart of hemp soaked in oil so that when the tremendous strain is placed on the rope in towing or berthing a ship, as the wire tensions, the oil; is squeezed out to lubricate the rope/cable. Interesting Huh???? I don't suggest that you attempt to use this as your bondage rope or practice shibari with it unless your target is a destroyer, cruiser, aircraft carrier or battle ship.

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