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A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 2:08:32 AM

pet4mymaster

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[Hello to all,
i have been reading the posts for a little while now and i have come across something that is pretty common in all the threads....i have noticed that some subs/slaves see submission as a gift and others do not....what i am wondering is what is your postion on it and if you could elaborate it would be most helpful??
thank you for your time and have a wonderful day

Serving Sir Now and Always
~Pet~

< Message edited by pet4mymaster -- 11/4/2005 2:09:05 AM >

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 2:14:33 AM

NakedOnMyChain

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I don't particularly think of submission as a gift, though I can easily see how others would think of it that way. I see it as something that should be treasured, yes, but it is also something that is simply a part of who I am. It is me, like it or not, take it or leave it. I will be submissive to master regardless of other circumstances, and hopefully he holds it in high value.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 2:54:40 AM

sweetpettjenny

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My submission comes from deep in side and i view it as more a partnership/relationship. I am a slave and My Master will own me , and once i submit , he is who takes the reigns ...i guess i really don't see it as a gift . Its a big responsibility for a owner to completely take a slave and care for her, as she submits to him/her.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 5:56:15 AM

Evanesce

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quote:

i have noticed that some subs/slaves see submission as a gift and others do not....what i am wondering is what is your postion on it and if you could elaborate it would be most helpful??

Ugh! I CRINGE every time I hear someone talking about how submission is such a precious gift. It's not. It never will be. It comes with strings attached, and anyone who claims otherwise is likely not living in the real world.

For me, submission is probably the single most self-serving thing I can do. It feeds a need in ME, not Him, and if I didn't get something out of it, I wouldn't do it. If He did not dominate in return for my submission, I would not be His slave. I keep His house and cook His meals and do His laundry and feed His dog because I know that when He comes home He's going to give me what I need in order to feel like His slave, and that if He did not, I would not be doing those things "for Him." How much more selfish can that possibly be?

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 6:46:17 AM

tasha_tart

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

i have noticed that some subs/slaves see submission as a gift and others do not....what i am wondering is what is your postion on it and if you could elaborate it would be most helpful??

Ugh! I CRINGE every time I hear someone talking about how submission is such a precious gift. It's not. It never will be. It comes with strings attached, and anyone who claims otherwise is likely not living in the real world.

For me, submission is probably the single most self-serving thing I can do. It feeds a need in ME, not Him, and if I didn't get something out of it, I wouldn't do it. If He did not dominate in return for my submission, I would not be His slave. I keep His house and cook His meals and do His laundry and feed His dog because I know that when He comes home He's going to give me what I need in order to feel like His slave, and that if He did not, I would not be doing those things "for Him." How much more selfish can that possibly be?

I've seen this question discussed many times, both in online forums/chat and in person, but this is the first time I've seen quite this take on it....a very interesting perspective.

Personally I think this is one of those questions that has no one right answer...only the answer that is right for each individual...but it is almost always guaranteed to stimulate passionate discussion.

Tasha

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 7:23:01 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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Links on this topic:

Why do so many view submission as a gift?

Submission a gift

Gift or not?

On the gift of submission

Do you consider your submission to someone a gift?

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My being owned is not a gift, it is not given freely, nor is it given without conditions. I maintain my commitment to an owner based on expectations, based on the knowledge that he IS the Owner. I was able to CHOOSE him for me.

The "gift" idea is a pleasant romantic metaphor, but no more or less. I am who I am. While I might be a blessing to some people, relationships are HARD WORK, as wonderful as they might elsewise be. Being in a relationship takes commitment, sweat, tears and time.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 8:02:15 AM

Belladonna82

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lol the only way it would be a gift was if it was wraped up with a nice little bow on it......submission a personality lol and i'm so not giving up my personality...to be owned is a gift to the submissive because a collar can have a pretty bow on it lol and it is given not something u are

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 8:03:48 AM

Mercnbeth

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quote:

i have noticed that some subs/slaves see submission as a gift and others do not....what i am wondering is what is your postion on it and if you could elaborate it would be most helpful??

some folks see "able to get out of bed in the morning and enjoy another beautiful day" as a gift, some see it as another annoyance in a miserable existance.

this slave sees submission as accepting the gift OF the opportunity to serve, in whatever capacity, not as a gift given BY a submissive or slave.

ever try to give "the gift" of submission to someone who neither appreciated service nor desired to be served? just like some folks have a hard time accepting compliments, some folks have a hard time accepting service and some don't even want to be served, but that was another thread.

imagine you have shopped for months or worked with your own hands for months on a gift for someone special. that moment that it is opened, it could either be appreciated and found to be useful or beautiful or "re-gifted" as soon as possible or unappreciated completely. either way, is the VALUE of the gift dependent on the amount of APPRECIATION one gets for the giving? this slave doesn't think so.

this slave thanks Master often for giving her the gift of ACCEPTING her submission to Him, but then this slave is a thankful sort and so is Master: we see every day together as a much appreciated gift.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 8:51:44 AM

starshineowned

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Greetings..~smiles~

When I wrap myself up in ribbon and put a bow on my head and present myself to Master..then I'll be a "gift". Then I just have to pray He doesn't return me.

starshine
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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 10:24:52 AM

submissivesilk

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i've mentioned my feelings on this in another thread.

i don't think of it as a gift to be given away. Now if a person means a gift as in being gifted, yes i'd agree. Although sometimes it is a curse too.

silk

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 10:42:20 AM

littleone35

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I am of the opposite i thing it is a gift to be able to sumbmit is a gift freely giving without expecting anything in return.

littleone

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 10:52:19 AM

swtnsparkling

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quote:

I am of the opposite i thing it is a gift to be able to sumbmit is a gift freely giving without expecting anything in return.

littleone

So you do not expect anything in return? nothing..zip? i love my job but i sure wouldnt gift my place of business just b/c i do love it. i want some thing in return like a paycheck.
If you dont expect anything then what is in it for you? here i will give you my submissioon and you can just sit back and do nothing at all.
im confused

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 11:31:04 AM

perverseangelic

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I mentioned this on the other threads, but to me, it's not a gift, it's a personality trait.

It isn't a gift to my partner any more than the fact that I blue eyes and cury hair is a gift. It's just a part of who I am and what I do.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 1:46:30 PM

OrlandoMars

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I understand why submitting is sometimes portrayed as a gift when given to another but that implies that submission is something that can be returned like a too-small coat. True Dominance and submission are essential parts of the psyche - they can neither be given nor received, they just are.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 3:01:32 PM

littleone35

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Maybe i did not put that right i do expect his protection and care i meant i don't expect q gift in exchange.

littleone

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 5:07:10 PM

krys

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I dont believe in the "gift of submission" idea. To me, it sounds like telling someone they should be grateful they are lucky enough to have you. Way too egomaniacal for my tastes.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/4/2005 5:18:38 PM

KittenWithaTwist

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I don't think it's a gift. It's part of me as a person, and if I weren't submitting to my current partner, I would be submitting to someone else.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/6/2005 12:19:39 AM

Evanesce

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quote:

When I wrap myself up in ribbon and put a bow on my head and present myself to Master..then I'll be a "gift". Then I just have to pray He doesn't return me.

LOL! Hide the receipt! Then the best he'll be able to do is get store credit. They're less likely to try to return stuff that way.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/6/2005 5:30:53 AM

KatyLied

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perverseangelic:

quote:

to me, it's not a gift, it's a personality trait.

This is exactly how I feel about it.
But if some consider it a gift; that's cool too.

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RE: A Gift??? - 11/6/2005 5:41:40 AM

fyreredsub

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i dont think of it as a gift....its just who i am

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