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Usako -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 3:10:57 PM)

I would just call the cops and let her ass be carted to jail where she belongs.

I also seriously doubt I could stay with a man who throws that much money at a woman. Helping family and friends is one thing, but there's a limit to everything. Maxing out credit cards over a "friend?" Pfft. Don't think I could be with a man who is that dense either.




lalbobbilynn -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 3:36:22 PM)

First, it isn't any of my business what he chooses to do with his money.  When he comes to me complaining or even asking me if he is crazy for believing her, then I do feel I am well within my place to give my opinion or telling him I don't believe her.  I do not and have never told him he shouldn't/can't continue to talk with or give her money.  I do feel put off because he is upset with me for refusing to have any more contact with this woman, but then he has always SAID the decision was mine.
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You know bella, in another thread there was the dicussion about the varying truths given by men and women as a whole (that is not how the thread started) when asked by their prospective friends. 
IF i were You, if Your Dom brought this up again ...... doubting said woman, and complaining, i would first ask to speak as freely yet as respectfully as possible. Then i would lay it out as follows: Simple, straight lined logic that men relate to. IF Your Dom was not just that and he was a mere friend who was coming to You, i would explain this is how i would lay it out. In a logical manner; just the facts.
Have these factoids that You located with lie #1, add a lil' sugar as well ...... this woman "may" be a decent person (rolling my eyes so intensely, my head does a cobra roll!!), but the FACTS are that she is swindling Him (Your Dom), possibly the boyfriend (& even small nations!).
Your Dom complains about her, as well as doubts her at moments ..... seems You could locate his logical side on some level.

Another point i am be-fuzzled about ....... Your Dom states it is Your choice not to communicate with her, yet He is upset that You are going just that?? Talking out of both sides of His mouth, a? Locate the logic to that double standard as well ....... although You are a sub/slave (could not locate Your profile), i am certain He desires You to make choices that YOU feel are in Your best interest, hence what YOU are doing, are You not??
b.~




CalifChick -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 3:39:06 PM)

I can't stop laughing over the fact that your Dom believes she is "negotiating" with her parole officer and/or the parole board.  Negotiating?!?!  Bwah hah hah hah hah.  That's like "negotiating" with the mob.

Cali




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 3:51:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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damn he is dumb as a bag of rocks.


Thanks for insulting the bag of rocks.


LOL!!!




Griswold -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 4:01:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hissweetbella

I'm posting here because I'm starting to feel like I am the crazy one, and I want to know if I really am off base with my thinking.  This is a long post, so be warned.

My Dom is upset with me because I have chosen to cut off all contact with one of his best "friends" who he introduced me to a couple of years ago and who I was friendly with for a while.  This woman (who my Dom has absolutely NO romantic interest in whatsoever, I am POSITIVE) had been lying to my Dom and the man she was dating at the time for over two years when I met her.  I'm talking a whopper of a lie, too, as in she was telling them she had won a multi-million dollar lawsuit but had excuse after excuse as to why she couldn't access the money that was supposedly in her bank accounts.  These two men supported her financially for over two years, and in a VERY comfortable lifestyle, too, yet never once bothered to verify anything she was telling them, and actually defended her any time anyone dared to say anything about it all being a lie.

To make a long story short, I stayed out of it until my Dom had maxed out his credit cards and was actually having trouble continuing to provide for this woman.  (She didn't live with him.)  Finally, I asked him to please go into the bank branch she claimed the bank lawyer worked at and ask for the bank attorney she claimed to be working with.  I had already found out there was no such person employed by that bank anywhere in the state.  He did, and confronted her.  She admitted it was all a lie, but claimed she felt forced into it because he and her boyfriend kept telling her she should sue for what she claimed had happened to her.  Anyway, she moved in with the boyfriend after promising never to lie to him again and convincing him she felt she had no choice and hadn't wanted to deceive him in the first place and has been living with him for the past year and a half.

Come to find out after a little checking, this woman is a convicted felon for fraud and identity theft and is wanted right this minute because she ran away from the state where she is still supposed to be on parole.  She has been using her sister's name and ID to fly and all kinds of other things.

Now, I believe she is at it all again.  She claims to have a job, data entry working from home, making $22 an hour and with full medical/dental/vision/life insurance benefits, paid holidays... the works... AND, get this, according to her, the employer happens to be a former convict himself and is supposed to be helping her work with the parole board to get out of her parole violation altogether. 

Anyway, my Dom believes her and loaned her a couple of thousand dollars to get out of a tight spot with the understanding that she would pay him back with her next paycheck.  That was two months ago.  She claimed first to have sent the check.  Next was she had done a wire transfer to his account and his bank must have screwed it up.  After that was FedEx lost the check she had sent THREE TIMES.  Now, she had to close her bank account (which was in her sister's name) because her sister was being audited by the IRS and can't get her money from the bank because they won't put that amount on a cashier's check or transfer it to another account for her.

Is it just me or does this stink to high heaven of a SCAM?????  I tell you, I have heard these two men defend her and tell all of us who say she is lying that we are just mean until I am starting to question if I really am!  For a while I was being the friendly ear for this woman that my Dom wanted me to be, but I just can't listen to it anymore.  If I wanted to watch science fiction, I would turn on the TV!

What do you think?  Is her story plausible and am I being too jaded and unbelieving?  I just don't understand what this woman has that makes these men (and others) believe everything she comes up with and not check out anything at all even kowing her history of lying. 

Thank you for reading and responding.  I just needed to get out the frustration of watching someone I care about be fooled like this.


It stinks more like a drug addiction.

If it walks like a duck....




xxblushesxx -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 4:46:30 PM)

For those who would say just let it go and ignore it, I have to say that if *I* were your dom (which I never would be, but just go with it) and you allowed me to make this sort of mistake over and over, and you were losing respect for me because of it, and my credit score was getting ready to go down the toilet because of it, I would be very upset that you could tell something was wrong, and you didn't attempt to help me see what was going on.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 4:47:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

For those who would say just let it go and ignore it, I have to say that if *I* were your dom (which I never would be, but just go with it) and you allowed me to make this sort of mistake over and over, and you were losing respect for me because of it, and my credit score was getting ready to go down the toilet because of it, I would be very upset that you could tell something was wrong, and you didn't attempt to help me see what was going on.


i think i would go farther and take it out of the dynamics of the relationship. if you cared for me at all i would hope that you would say something to me about it.




lalbobbilynn -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 4:52:20 PM)

Another point i seemed to glaze over in reading the original post three times ........ this woman is using her sisters name to hide behind and fly around? Is that not some national issue there?? As well as that includes the sister as one being defrauded as well??
i also missed that valid point Miss Cali brought about ....... negotiating with a PO! When i worked at a Woman's Shelter, those PO folks are one tough nut! i was not obligated to acknowledge the PO's parolee was there, but Lord ...... those folks are relentless. If i tried to lie about a woman being so much as ten minutes late, for their check-in time, those PO's could smell my sorry ass fib from down the street, & they grilled me like i was the parolee!!
Whole lotta poo You have coming from that one person.
b.~




Lockit -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 5:19:45 PM)

(shakes head)

Some people have far too much money... far too little common sense and will fall for anything and some people enable them.  I'd be outta there... far too much drama for this old broad!  I am going to go dance in the street or something... the board is filled with insanity today!




Sabella -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 5:38:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hissweetbella

I don't live with him and take care of me and mine myself, so his finances really aren't my business.  It was for that reason that I held my tongue so long the first time I realized she was lying.  I just know I won't let things with us progress to anything like living together or depending on him financially while he still feels compelled to "help" people like this.
*I haven't read all 3 pages so if this was already covered, don't mind me* I think you answered your own question here. I find it hard to believe that two men are putting themselves out financially to that degree without getting SOMETHING from this woman, just my take on it. I don't think you're crazy for not wanting to be around or be a friend to anyone for ANY reason that is justifiable to YOU. Having someone else dictate who your friends are [:@] never works. If it's a problem you wish to tone down (the arguements) then just simply say "we aren't compatible as friends and I'd be really happy if you let it drop - because you're not going to change my mind."

Just by refusing to get sucked into the drama will help you, even if it doesn't help him at all until he gets this straightened out.




sophia37 -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 5:44:30 PM)

Tell him to sue her on the judge Judy show. Judge judy will tell it like it is. Plus he'll get money if hes got it in writing. 




Alumbrado -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/22/2008 5:47:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I can't stop laughing over the fact that your Dom believes she is "negotiating" with her parole officer and/or the parole board.  Negotiating?!?!  Bwah hah hah hah hah.  That's like "negotiating" with the mob.

Cali



[:D]  That was the one that caused me to not take any of the OP seriously.




tsatske -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 6:06:44 AM)

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For those who would say just let it go and ignore it, I have to say that if *I* were your dom (which I never would be, but just go with it) and you allowed me to make this sort of mistake over and over, and you were losing respect for me because of it, and my credit score was getting ready to go down the toilet because of it, I would be very upset that you could tell something was wrong, and you didn't attempt to help me see what was going on.


Christina,
It's possible that we just read the OP differently. I did not in the least have the idea that she had not shared her insights with her Master; my impression was that she had told him enough so that clearly he knew her feelings on it. If that is not the case, i would agree with you; though it needs to be spoken with respect and tact, i do think that a Master is owed my insight and knowledge anytime i have something to contribute. Once it is offered, though, it is really none of my buisness what he does with it.
To those that say that she has every right to refuse friendship with the young woman (the con artist), you may be right. I do not know their dynamic or agreement, so i can not say. I know that I do not feel that way, however. I feel a responsiblity to welcome friends of Masters, and to treat any woman that he brings into our lives (at any level, including friendship) with love and respect, and welcome them with open arms. My friendships are occasionally overshadowed by trying to think what carries His representation best. For instance, we had to have several talks about my dear part time sister, because i felt guilty that i was not treating her as i would treat a friend - imo, friends tell each other the truth and share their insights, even if the friend may not like what they hear. But because i felt that she saw us more as a 'couple' then as seperates, i did not want to say things to her that she might hear as harsh, even if it was what i would have said to a friend. Master told me repeatedly to not censor myself with her in that way, and i have made strides in doing so - although there are still limits. In anything that Master gives her advice on, i do not feel comfortable offering conflicting advice, for instance, even though the difference is probably the difference between a man and a woman's perspective.
My last Master and i are still dear friends. When we split up, i had a sisterslave, who He eventually married. I think she is a dear and i know that she is very good to and for him, so i have absolutely no issues with her. She obviously felt some insecurity around me, though, for a long time, and showed it. He caught her being nasty to me, and appologized, and i brushed him off and said, 'it's okay, i understand', to which he said, 'no, it is not okay. she and I have the kind of relationship where i can certainly demand she at least be civil to anyone i care about.' I happen to agree with him.
I would cultivate the con artists friendship and try to behave as i thought my Master wanted. I would also welcome and encourage discussions with him about her, mostly listening - with someone to vent to, he may work it out on his own. I would share with him anything she said or did that might shed light on her true self, but without expectations or ulterior motives. In short, I would trust my Master to come to the right conclusion, on His own, and trust the decisions He made.
If you can not trust him, you have to question how much power you feel comfortable turning over to him - and really, is THIS worth bringing that kind of questioning into your relationship? is SHE worth it?




MontrealPhoenix -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 6:07:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hissweetbella

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First, this is an annonymous, hidden profile.  I have named no names nor given any identifying information.  No one on these boards has any clue as to who we are, so it isn't like I am outing him.

As for contacting the authorities, I am changing my mind from being worried about her boyfriend to thinking about all the others she potentially has or will scam.  She isn't going to just stop on her own.

Thanks for clarifying regarding your profile. Of course, you're right, there is nothing identifying either you or him, my apologies.
 
I'm glad to hear that you are considering talking to the authorities. It's the right thing to do and while her bf may be angry at first i'm sure he will understand eventually. Good luck.




CruelDesires -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 7:17:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hissweetbella

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ORIGINAL: mstrj69

Do you have caller ID?  That should tell you where she is calling from just by the area code and prefix.  Authorities can trace down cell phones if they have the number. 


That's a great idea.  I don't know his actual address as he lives in a different state, but I do know the city and the phone number.


411.com is an excellent resource for reverse phone number lookups.

CD




LadyLynx -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 7:52:09 AM)

tsatske,  what if going back to being friendly with this woman comprimises her morals? (it would mine.)

I would of called the cops in 2nd finding out that she had a warrent.  any info given to the cops, area code, phone #, alias, etc is helpful to the police.

I could not be with someone, regardless of their role, if they continued believing that line of bs.  Wanting to help out a friend, yes.  but not to the point of going into debt as a result.




stella41b -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 8:51:46 AM)

So tell me more about his Dom. Do you address him as Father? Does he have a tendency for red clothing and black leather boots? Does he have a weight problem? White beard? Does he only work once a year? Keep reindeer? Travel around in a sleigh around the world? Can he squeeze himself down chimneys?







parttimehotty -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 9:27:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I think C.M. should come up with a "Dear Abby" section.


We have one, it's called "Dear Cali"




xxblushesxx -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 10:15:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

So tell me more about his Dom. Do you address him as Father? Does he have a tendency for red clothing and black leather boots? Does he have a weight problem? White beard? Does he only work once a year? Keep reindeer? Travel around in a sleigh around the world? Can he squeeze himself down chimneys?


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slaveboyforyou -> RE: Please, tell me I'm not crazy for not believing her. (6/23/2008 10:38:55 AM)

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Now, I believe she is at it all again.  She claims to have a job, data entry working from home, making $22 an hour and with full medical/dental/vision/life insurance benefits, paid holidays... the works... AND, get this, according to her, the employer happens to be a former convict himself and is supposed to be helping her work with the parole board to get out of her parole violation altogether. 


She isn't working out any deal with the parole board via the help of an ex-con.  My little brother is on parole, and he can't leave the county without permission much less the state.  I don't know any state that allows a parolee to just leave the state.  You damn sure can't use someone else's identity.  She's going back to prison when they catch her. 

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Anyway, my Dom believes her and loaned her a couple of thousand dollars to get out of a tight spot with the understanding that she would pay him back with her next paycheck.  That was two months ago.  She claimed first to have sent the check.  Next was she had done a wire transfer to his account and his bank must have screwed it up.  After that was FedEx lost the check she had sent THREE TIMES.  Now, she had to close her bank account (which was in her sister's name) because her sister was being audited by the IRS and can't get her money from the bank because they won't put that amount on a cashier's check or transfer it to another account for her. 


Your Dom and his buddy are fucking dumbasses if they believe this bullshit.  I'm sorry, but I'd be questioning your Dom's motives here.  It sure sounds like he's screwing around with her.  I'd never do this for a woman, especially not my friend's woman.  Something smells fishy, and you should really start investigating.  You're not being naive about the girl's story.  You're being naive if you believe your Dom's story. 




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