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ResidentSadist -> -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:22:42 PM)
-=YOU CAN’T GIVE WHAT YOU DON’T POSSESS=- A submissive or slave cannot submit control to her Master until she has control of herself. Many sub/slaves just don’t get it. They talk of giving up control but have none. Without self-discipline, you do not give your Master control, you give him chaos! -Kalon Eric Just saying... (part of random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

GreedyTop -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:25:26 PM)
I'm sorry.. I'll try to do better! grin

trappedinamuseum -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:26:59 PM)
Makes sense, however random.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:27:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I'm sorry.. I'll try to do better! grin LOL... you are such a hoot. [:)]

fluffyswitch -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:28:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum Makes sense, however random. yeah i was thinking the same thing lol.

GreedyTop -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:28:41 PM)
and I'm cute, too ;)

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:30:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop and I'm cute, too ;) Very cute in a chaotic sort of way. [:D]

trappedinamuseum -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:30:39 PM)
So, RS, how do you suggest a person build up their self-control?

Leatherist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:33:35 PM)
In other words, the sub can be a total dithering fucktard-but the Master must be PERFECT.[:D]

Sabella -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:39:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist In other words, the sub can be a total dithering fucktard-but the Master must be PERFECT.[:D] HA! Is there a farm where these perfect Masters are grown? Perhaps knee deep in manure & in a dark shed? [sm=yeahright.gif]

Leatherist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sabella quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist In other words, the sub can be a total dithering fucktard-but the Master must be PERFECT.[:D] HA! Is there a farm where these perfect Masters are grown? Perhaps knee deep in manure & in a dark shed? [sm=yeahright.gif] With as many subs as are demanding them as thier proper due for the "gift of submission"...you would think there is a clone farm out there somehwere. [8D]

dcnovice -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:43:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum So, RS, how do you suggest a person build up their self-control? Good question.

trappedinamuseum -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:43:51 PM)
Hmmm.... seem to recall an X-Files episode about that once.. Its a conspiracy!!!

Leatherist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:45:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum So, RS, how do you suggest a person build up their self-control? Good question. Growing up and acting like a competent adult is usually a good start. Stopping with the habit of creating mountains out of mole hills is a good second.

ownedgirlie -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:48:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist -=YOU CAN’T GIVE WHAT YOU DON’T POSSESS=- A submissive or slave cannot submit control to her Master until she has control of herself. Many sub/slaves just don’t get it. They talk of giving up control but have none. Without self-discipline, you do not give your Master control, you give him chaos! -Kalon Eric Just saying... (part of random BDSM philosophy for the masses) I'm not an advocate of what I'm about to say, but I was absolutely not in control of myself when my Master met me. I was lost but with a lot of pent up potential. It was his choice to tap into me and to do so without allowing the chaos I attempted at bringing him. Perfect? No, not perfect. But perfect for me. And I am forever grateful for his ungodly amount of patience as well as his unwillingness to put up with my bullshit and drama. Then again, he pushed me very hard, and I had to be willing to go with it and do what was expected. We both put a lot of work into this. The end result, four years later, is something we both enjoy.

Leatherist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:50:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist -=YOU CAN’T GIVE WHAT YOU DON’T POSSESS=- A submissive or slave cannot submit control to her Master until she has control of herself. Many sub/slaves just don’t get it. They talk of giving up control but have none. Without self-discipline, you do not give your Master control, you give him chaos! -Kalon Eric Just saying... (part of random BDSM philosophy for the masses) I'm not an advocate of what I'm about to say, but I was absolutely not in control of myself when my Master met me. I was lost but with a lot of pent up potential. It was his choice to tap into me and to do so without allowing the chaos I attempted at bringing him. Perfect? No, not perfect. But perfect for me. And I am forever grateful for his ungodly amount of patience as well as his unwillingness to put up with my bullshit and drama. Then again, he pushed me very hard, and I had to be willing to go with it and do what was expected. We both put a lot of work into this. The end result, four years later, is something we both enjoy. But you also chose not to throw a hissy fit and walk away when he would not put up with your bs. You did the work-that's the difference between you and most.

trappedinamuseum -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:52:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Growing up and acting like a competent adult is usually a good start. Stopping with the habit of creating mountains out of mole hills is a good second. Good thoughts. However, I feel that I am a competent adult. I work full time, and go to grad school. I am completely financially independent, pay my bills on time, have good relationships with people, avoid drama and try to avoid stress. i have my scars, but who doesn't. Yet, I have no self-control when it comes to books, or dining out. I know I shuldn't, know it would save me money (though i don't out spend my means), and know I am only hurting myself when i give into the temptation. I don't believe this makes me incompetent, or someone who makes mountains out of molehills. I have no self-control when it comes to some things, and am trying to work on that. Actual advice would have been appreciated, instead of sweeping generalizations. edited for a spelling error and an addition

hejira92 -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:52:33 PM)
I actually (gasp!) totally agree. I could not have the relationship I do, with the depth of submission and ownership, if I was not a competent, fully functioning adult, able to make rational decisions for myself, my children and my students on a daily basis. It is because I am in possession of much personal power that it grows and is magnified in Him when I bow down to serve. A Power Exchange, if you will. [:D]

fluffyswitch -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:54:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Growing up and acting like a competent adult is usually a good start. Stopping with the habit of creating mountains out of mole hills is a good second. Good thoughts. However, I feel that I am a competent adult. I work full time, and go to grad school. I am completely financially independent, pay my bills on time, have good relationships with people, avoid drama and try to avoid stress. i have my scars, but who doesn't. Yet, I have no self-control when it comes to books, or dining out. I know I shuldn't, know it would save me money (though i don't out spend my means), and know I am only hurting myself when i give into the temptation. I don't believe this makes me incompetent, or someone who makes mountains out of molehills. I have no self-control when it comes to some things, and am trying to work on that. Actual advice would ahve been appreciated. i agree with the above, and i also would question the assertion that 'most' do not have a level of self control. i think that self control is expressed in a wide range of behaviors, and that it is impossible, or almost impossible to determine that without knowing a person.

Leatherist -> RE: -=You Can't Give What You Don't Possess=- (6/22/2008 6:55:27 PM)
If it invokes reflection-it is good advice. Even if it hurts to hear it. Including me.

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