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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist
This sort of stuffy sidestepping is the whole reason I dislike "old school Domination" so much.
Everyone in a relationship is accountable for thier actions or inactions for every second of the time they have the connection. Using a bunch of idotic protocols and rules will NEVER excuse that. It drives me bonkers when I see people using absurd rationalizations to excuse themselves from responsibility-and EVERYONE has that-to pretty much the same degree.
So far I see a lot of finger pointing at subs in the threads this op is posting-how about we point some back at the DOMS for a change? After all, if you make the rules-you are responsible for what results from complaince. And if a sub has to disobey those to keep themselves from harm-they were rules concocted by an assinine fucktard.
And they DESERVED to be broken and ignored.
No one deserves to be broken.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
I do not say that submissives are the root of all evil which is what you seem to imply. I said:
”It is a common mistake I see when a slave/sub starts losing the feeling of being controlled and does not examine their own responsibility for the change as well as Masters.”
I totally agree. I don't see the logic in Masters not having visions (and leaving it ALL up to the submissives to decide everything and take charge of steering the ship), since Masters are the ones guiding the activities. It's just like management. To be a good office manager, one needs to have an overall vision for how they want they office to be and not depend on each and every subordinate to guide the ship. It's okay to trust them to do their part, but the Master is the one in charge of where the entire ship where the ship ultimately goes, and if the subordinate shipmates don't like it, they can abandon ship (the ultimate in sub's accepting responsibility that the choice to stay on the ship is their decision and theirs alone).
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if a captain of the ship let the subordinate shipmate have the final say in what to do with the ship?? Suppose the subordinate shipmate is very small and weak, yet demands that the ship steer to Greenland through the choppy seas of the artic ocean...(which would require the subordinate crew to be strong and tall to reach the masts easily). So since the captain (for some stupid reason...maybe so he can continue his bitter rant and comfortable place blame on the submissive) wants to give the subordinate the final say, he ignores the fact that the submissive is asking for disaster putting the entire ship at risk (but hey, if and when the ship sinks... well I can Gleefully PLACE ALL BLAME on the submissive (LMFAO *rolling my eyes*) saying the submissive was the one who came up with the idea ...what a stupid way to guide the ship) and the ship crashes on some rocky shore, and then the captain doesn't care about the ship??? only that he can place GUILT AND BLAME on the subordinate???? That's just ridiculous.
There needs to be order here. Things are accomplished with order. Not in who wins the blame glame, in the midst of large risks of destruction. Drop the blaming fingers and just admit that if you don't want to take charge, you don't deserve to be a Dominant (and are a fake player with bitter leanings towards submissives in general).
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