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Rape fantasies? - 6/28/2008 2:09:31 PM

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This stems from an interesting conversation I was having earlier about rape fantasies. It seems that they are the ultimate taboo, and I'm sure they have been discussed before, but I'm interested in gathering some opinions from the boarders here.

I may be strange, in that I'm a male who fantasizes about being raped. That fantasy recurs in many forms - sometimes it's a woman, other times it's a couple, other times a man, and other times a group. Sometimes it is a quick, sudden attack, and other times I am abducted to serve as a slave. As I think about my submissive fetishes, most of them stem from feeling used, abused, and humiliated, in which rape is the most extreme limit. The ultimate loss of control. The feeling of being used against my will, and then cast aside strikes me as also being the most extreme submission - one in which I am not intended to have any enjoyment. But I wonder if I would? Would, in the middle of a rape scene, I push back and beg for more?

Obviously, with sober second thought, I would never wish to be raped, but in the fantasy world, those limits and side effects fade into the background, and it takes on a life of its own. The knowledge that I have been stalked, measured, hunted, and then taken.

There are COUNTLESS risks to this sort of scene - death, disease, and serious injury being at the forefront. There are also COUNTLESS risks to whomever would agree to be the 'rapist' in the scene.

Has anyone successfully participated in a rape scene? How did it happen? How were the risks mitigated without detracting fro the scene?

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 6/28/2008 3:37:11 PM

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Rape fantasy the ultimate taboo? Given that the very interesting book on sex fantasies I browsed in the book store the other day (couldn't buy it, presence of a certain mother) said that well over 50% of women have a rape fantasy, I'd question that. Given that some people fantasise about bestality, I'd question it more.

Having been raped, I don't want it to happen again.

But, I have rape fantasies. It's about what you mentioned, and about a lack of control and therefore responsibility and therefore guilt. I've played them out with people I know, without the stalking preamble. There's fighting back, and tying up, and force. It's as far as I want to go, and scratches the itch. It's useful to pick the right person to do this with though, but then, I'm big on kink matching.

So, to cover your risks...

death - was never going to die, cos, well, he's sane.
disease - we were both tested and clean
serious injury - he's not that strong. But accidents happen, and, well, RACK. The worst bruise I ever got ever ever ever came when I fell off my bed cos I sat on air. I was completely awake at the time, and completely alone. I went to work limping with my left leg black and blue. Had to convince ppl it was an accident. Went to work accidentally with visible ane marks, no one bats an eyelid. Gotta love it.

I did have a more rape like rape scene planned out, with strangers and such. Again, sane, tested, falling out of bed applies. I was "strongly advised not to go" by a certain someone, so never got the chance to follow through on the tentative plans. Which was a good idea. Some things should stay fantasy, if ony to save on therapy bills.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 6/28/2008 3:49:06 PM

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Thanks for the detailed reply...

I can see how forceful sex can be satisfying... but don't you still know it's a scene?

I guess it falls into the same vein as TPE as far as mental leaps go. You have to be willing, and really you're volunteering for it all, is it really TOTAL power that you're giving over? I suppose that in a perfect world, it would be planned out by a Dominant who genuinely cares about my safety... so if someone else did the screening and negotiating on my behalf, without my knowledge...

Sorry if this all seems jumbled and confused. I'm really trying to get my head around it.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 6/28/2008 4:09:08 PM

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It wasn't really a scene, the forced sex thing. It just sort of happened. He had a habbit of wanting sex, I had a habbit of not, and one time, I just wasn't up for rolling over and playing sub. So, I fought back, and he fought back, and he tied me up, and I untied myself, and fought all the way. A lot of what happens about me is kinda spontanoeus though.

I've got no ideas about TPE. Well, that's not true, I've got lots of ideas, but, it's not something I talk about often.

In your perfect world of having someone else do all the prep for you and it pop out of the blue... how do you know it's not for real? I think you have to know it's going to happen, even if you have no way of stopping it once it starts (oh don't get all SSC on me) because there is a difference between a rape you want and a rape you don't, and if you don't know it's a rape you want, you'll think it's a rape you don't, and then, it's no fun.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 6/28/2008 4:21:57 PM

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I do fantasize about rape scenes. I do not fantasize about being stalked without my knowledge and taken forcefully without my consent though, that's actual rape to me. the difference between the two depends on your feelings towards it, I guess.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 11:57:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan
In your perfect world of having someone else do all the prep for you and it pop out of the blue... how do you know it's not for real? I think you have to know it's going to happen, even if you have no way of stopping it once it starts (oh don't get all SSC on me) because there is a difference between a rape you want and a rape you don't, and if you don't know it's a rape you want, you'll think it's a rape you don't, and then, it's no fun.

See, therein lies the question?

With all of that said, I suppose there is plenty of room for exploration... I love hearing people's thoughts on this though... has anyone been part of a rape scene that went well? You are welcome to message me privately if you're not comfortable discussing it on here.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 12:34:50 PM

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I was part of a rape scene that went well... I survived it. Both physically and emotionally. But I sure get an attitude about rape scenes... because there is still an element of... you know you will survive... you know you won't be beaten or taken in a way that will cause lasting damage and you know the person. You know you will not carry your rapist seed, that the one or more will not come back at you most likely and that you will not die from some disease. You know your nude body will not be found by others dead or alive. You cannot create a real rape scene. Period. Realistic maybe... but never real. I can't imagine anyone really wanting a real rape. I just don't get it.

Having a rape scene or seemingly forced or forceful sex is far different and you know that. Of course you will know it is simply a scene. Will you beg for more? lol Most likely! lol But ask a real rape victim if they wanted more and enjoyed it... you know the answer to that one too.

In a sense you are talking apples and oranges. One is not the other and maybe I shouldn't compare them, but it is difficult for even a healed rape victim/survivor/overcomer to hear someone beg for what they suffered in reality and know is not a fun experience. We almost feel it diminishes what we suffered and is offensive. Personally I can understand the rape fantasy to some degree, but I would like for it to be termed something more fitting. Don't ask me what, it isn't my fantasy... even though I like rough sex.

How about... take me roughly when I don't expect it and maybe am blindfolded and taken by car to the countryside and forcefully taken by your hard cock? But the word rape... is just a reactive word to many of us and we invision far more than you could imagine. So judge me a prude for not understanding or for judging you all... which I am not... I am just pointing out that rape and the rape scene even if realistic are not the same and welcoming a rape, any kind of rape... just doesn't make sense to me. So I know you and many others are not asking for a real rape and you have a fantasy that is very strong and actually understandable... but can't we find another term for it or way of looking at it? Or am I being too anal?

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 1:10:14 PM

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I don't think you're being too anal... Well, how we term and label things will always be a point of contention to those who are affected by it, and a non-issue for those who are not.

For me, weird as it is, the fantasy is actual rape.

A real-life reenactment would be a forceful sex scene, or non-consensual consensual play, or play rape... however you term it.

So I guess when you read through, make the appropriate substitution to account for what I'm trying to say? lol

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 3:51:58 PM

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I have been raped before as well. But it happened when I was very young. Long before I knew anything about the lifestyle. Neverthless, I still have a rape fantasy. To be forcibly kidnapped and repeatedly taken.

I thrive on the vunerablity and unpreditablity of it all.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 4:05:09 PM

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I was just having a conversation similar to this. I honestly believe that the reason such a large percentage of women have rape fantasies stems from being taught from birth that "Good Girls Don't!" We ladies still have the same desires that men have, but are given that double sided sword. Good girls don't have sex. But if you are raped, it wasn't your fault. Hmmmm Let's think about that a moment.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 5:33:19 PM

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What has worked best for me is to get consent before hand. I had a girlfriend that had rape role play fantasies. We did the rough sex thing and that was good, but we decided to make it more realistic. My girlfriend at the time agreed that at any time during the next week I could fuck her even if she resisted. This makes the scene more real, because it is not a set time or scene. It allows for the element of suprise and could be at a time she really did not want sex. I lived with her so there was no need to worry about random strangers seeing me kidnap her and reporting us to the police. The scene was very hot, but still as many have said if you plan it out and have consent then it is still role playing. I for one am only interested in role playing as far as this fantasy is concerned.

I have often thought it would be fun to have a sexy submissive girl dressed in something with relatively easy access to her body. Then I would take her to a field and have her run. A few seconds latter I would then begin to chase her down. When I catch her I push her down in the mud, rip her clothes open, force myself inside her and fuck her brains out. This always seemed so staged to me, but I think it would still get our adrenaline pumping and be a lot of fun. I think I will make this fantasy a reality by making sure I have prior consent for a rape roll playing scenario any time in say a period of a few weeks. Then doing the supprise kidnapping one of the girls on here mentioned. Gagging her so she can't talk while we drive, and taking her to the choosen field where I will let her know what is going to happen right before telling her to start running and giving her a hard smack on the ass to get her started. Still only roll playing you say. True, but it is real enough for me and could be a lot of fun.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 6:15:37 PM

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We've talked about doing a scene back in the woods where I walk along the trail and at some point he leaps out, ties me to a log, cuts off my clothes and rapes me. There's no risk of death, disease or serious injury there. There is the risk of poison ivy all over my body however so either he picks a clean spot of puts a blanket down first. Deliberately giving me poison ivy is a hard limit

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Not all rape play has to involve strangers. We don't play with others. We are fluid bonded.

Oh, and I hear that rape fantasy from other male subs. It isn't uncommon.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 6:31:17 PM

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The fantasy is alive and well. In fact, it was the most recent thing I was requested to write about.

If you want to gander at the tall tale, follow the golden link. It's Part II, but the link to Part I is at the top.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 6:55:15 PM

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Rape fantasy is wonderful, but it's just that: FANTASY.

quote:

There are COUNTLESS risks to this sort of scene - death, disease, and serious injury being at the forefront. There are also COUNTLESS risks to whomever would agree to be the 'rapist' in the scene.

No there aren't, as long as you know who you're playing with! There are lots of ways to script a scene like this (it's one of of my faves, btw) and it's no riskier than a simple SM scene, assuming your partner groks you and is willing. And if not, why not?

Can I be so bold as to script out a scenario? You've sneaked into someone's (your partner's) home with the alleged intent of robbing it, they wake up and hear you and confront you. You can either accept that they phone the police (well, there's another jail fantasy...) or you can submit to whatever they want in lieu, which is of course to strip you and fuck you and do whatever else they want. Would that meet with your concept of being raped?

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 7:02:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Personally I can understand the rape fantasy to some degree, but I would like for it to be termed something more fitting.

I don't know why I did not think of this earlier, but I think many people call it resistance play or a resistance scene. She resists and he overpowers her. Yep, sounds like it fits the rape fantasy.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 7:04:21 PM

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BTW, I just dumped all over Lupus about this subject, I could be wrong and it could be personal, but there it is.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 7:11:56 PM

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No harm and no foul, subbisherri. In the future, though, please don't hesitate to ask before judging. The work is fiction, nothing more, and written by request.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 8:25:46 PM

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I am negotiating a rape scene with a long time most trusted friend ...he just wont say when, I guess I will need the element of surprise to make it more realistic...I have known and trusted this man for well over 5 years, I know I may be hurt, but I wont be injured.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 8:30:53 PM

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Oh bloody hell, I should have realized that. Humbly bowing before you, I kiss your feet and beg an apology.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 8:46:22 PM

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Rape fantasies are something I do not understand, maybe I never will. I was raped and the fear of disease , prego and the lose of my virginity all at the same time was way to much. I have talked at length with my Master about this and I think for me ,its about regaining control of what I lost and taking back what I have never been able to voice till now. Self respect and love of my body and openness to someone completely.
That I have finally found.

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