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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 8:57:35 PM   
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Hello,
I agree with Barrie on this one.  I think about this type of play a lot.  In fact it is of my fantasies as people have mentioned.  I really enjoy the loss of control it entails and would love to have my partner completely take control like that and forceably rape me.  It has even strong meaning for me as I am a virgin as well.
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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/2/2008 10:55:26 PM   
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I am cross connecting your profile with your post.

How to make rape realistic and safish.  Condoms, rapists use condoms all the time to keep dna from the cops.  Female rapist using a dildo (just bought, no cross contamination).  How, whoever is fulfilling your fantasy, rents a van.   Rounds up at least four helpers.  Gets your schedule, preferable to be a weekend, preferable you live in an area that has some distance from neighbors.  Suggestion for rapists, bring binoculars, a cooler with  non alcoholic refreshment and lunch.  They wait, hoping you are not sleeping in.  You come out, they grab you, they take you to a place they picked in advance, you get your fun.  Most of these scenes that I know of (have not participated), involved the person expressing the fantasy and asking their friend or partner if they would make it happen.  Part of info expressed would be fears you want to experience during this scene, fears you do not want to experience during this scene, limits and some signal that all will memorize to know you have an issue and one that says stop no matter what.  Seems to be most successful (less emotional fall out) when the parties all know each other.  There is at least one trusted party running the play.

On the cross to the profile, in a funny mood tonight.  You are bi or gay, I lean toward bi.  A sub, and potentially a masochist.  Get back to me on that. I haven't tried it online, but my descriptions to people I have met have 100% success rate so far.

Have fun.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 1:30:03 AM   
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This stems from an interesting conversation I was having earlier about rape fantasies. It seems that they are the ultimate taboo,

No: real rape should be taboo. On the whole it is: except for the rapists most of whom are locked up somewhere.
The rest who are roaming around are a taboo waiting to happen.
Rape fantasy though is common....how common who cares, as facts and figures can be manipulated to suit the audience.
But fantasy has a very specific role....origibally called 'the will to repeat' (by Freud of course), the 'will to repeat' enables us to rehearse and therefore have power over what would otherwise be a danger to us.
So: you keep repeating the rape scene in your head with men women couples and groups.
I can assure you a real rape. without psychological or physical consent, is a nasty vile and traumatising event which makes one feel dirty and defiled. (From experience i say that and not from theory).
Apologies if I sound quippy but real rape is not what happens inside a fantasy..............


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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 6:10:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SurrenderForMe

I am cross connecting your profile with your post.

How to make rape realistic and safish.  Condoms, rapists use condoms all the time to keep dna from the cops.  Female rapist using a dildo (just bought, no cross contamination).  How, whoever is fulfilling your fantasy, rents a van.   Rounds up at least four helpers.  Gets your schedule, preferable to be a weekend, preferable you live in an area that has some distance from neighbors.  Suggestion for rapists, bring binoculars, a cooler with  non alcoholic refreshment and lunch.  They wait, hoping you are not sleeping in.  You come out, they grab you, they take you to a place they picked in advance, you get your fun.  Most of these scenes that I know of (have not participated), involved the person expressing the fantasy and asking their friend or partner if they would make it happen.  Part of info expressed would be fears you want to experience during this scene, fears you do not want to experience during this scene, limits and some signal that all will memorize to know you have an issue and one that says stop no matter what.  Seems to be most successful (less emotional fall out) when the parties all know each other.  There is at least one trusted party running the play.

On the cross to the profile, in a funny mood tonight.  You are bi or gay, I lean toward bi.  A sub, and potentially a masochist.  Get back to me on that. I haven't tried it online, but my descriptions to people I have met have 100% success rate so far.

Have fun.



I think what I'm asking is if scripting makes the scene less realistic?

As for the profile guesses, you're having an off day. :-P

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 6:24:14 AM   
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I think what I'm asking is if scripting makes the scene less realistic?


Of course it does.  The trick is to find just the right balance between realism and safety that works for you.


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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 7:37:32 AM   
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barrie, I have no 'rape play' kink, though I do have a 'force play' one.  The difference for me is that during the 'force play' scene, I am overwhelmed with feelings of desire and am 'seduced against my better judgment'.
 
No, I haven't tried this kind of play.  I haven't met anyone I felt close enough to or trusted enough to try it.  It'll probably wait till I have a collar, or very soon before.
 
I wouldn't recommend that you censor your daydreams and fantasises -- but I wouldn't draw many conclusions about yourself and what you'd enjoy in real life from them either.  Just about anything can trigger a fantasy, even a recurring one.  That is not a basis for deciding what kind of play you'd enjoy in real life.
 
As you pointed out, real rape is nothing any sane person would desire.
 
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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 10:28:59 AM   
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I have definately been part of rape scenes that went well. As for knowing that it is a scene, I know but I don't know but I know all at the same time. I've found myself wishing for Valyraen to help me even though he is right there and doing what I begged for! It's intense, frightening and a lot of fun. We're starting to plan out an extended scene that I'm really looking forward to.

Edited to add: As far the scripting, yes it does take away from the realism a bit. But most people don't want to actually be raped. As hot as the fantasy is, I don't want someone who I don't love and trust forcing themselves on me. If you find a partner who is good at getting into your head and mind fucking you, it can still feel very real while you know you are safe.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 10:36:46 AM   
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Personally I can understand the rape fantasy to some degree, but I would like for it to be termed something more fitting. 


I don't know why I did not think of this earlier, but I think many people call it resistance play or a resistance scene. She resists and he overpowers her. Yep, sounds like it fits the rape fantasy.


Thank you!  I like that much better!  I have not only experienced rape, but have counseled many who have been through it and when certain threads have come about, many have emailed me about how they feel.  The word rape, to some, just brings it all back.  I can think of my experience and not have any problem with it at all, but some cannot do that yet.  So when someone desires to have this very real and wonderful experience of the lack of control and the 'take over' and use the word 'rape', it takes them to places they don't want to go and might not be a good time for them to go.  I hate to be a stickler, but I get very protective of people who have been wounded and are still in a process of healing.  I know they have to adjust and have to live in the real world and things like this will be something they have to address... but I think that beause a lot of people have not taken rape seriously and rape victims go through a lot of BS, even though things are changing, it only makes them feel even more of a victim because they aren't believed or are treated as if they did something wrong and deserved it or are belittled in some way.  Anything that softens the meaning of rape is something I think a lot of people struggle with.  This term I like and it sounds very appealing!

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 10:53:09 AM   
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I once owned a slave with a similar fantasy, when we origionally met although he claimed to be extremely homophobic he has this underlying fantasy of being raped by a man. After I had introduced men into his life and a year of this "fantasy" popping into discussions at times, I set it up. He was totally unaware, it took a lot of planning, and it is necessary to know your "rapist" well and have complete control of the scene, it went extremely well, he enjoyed it almost as much as I did....winks.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 12:30:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

No: real rape should be taboo. On the whole it is: except for the rapists most of whom are locked up somewhere.



I doubt one rapist in twelve is incarcerated.  Actually, the number is proabably signifcantly lower throughout much of the world.  Rape is the most under-reported, covered-for,  senselessly excused, and purposefully ignored crime in existence.  Even if the unfortuante victim manages to overcome the often crippling sense of shame, fear of repraisal, constant judgement (either for having let herself be raped, for having suppsedly encouraged the rape, or for being so brazen as to draw attention to the rape),accusations of dishonesty from others, prejudiced juries, and countless other roadblocks that can derail justice, and even if the prosecutor does secure a conviction, the potential  minimum sentencing for the crime in some cases can be a joke.  And all of that assumes a victim living in one of the countires that possess an exceptionally punitive regard for rape.


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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 1:34:10 PM   
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Oh bloody hell, I should have realized that. Humbly bowing before you, I kiss your feet and beg an apology.

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On the up side, if the story evoked that reaction in you...I have to think I did something right.  Regardless of which side of the fence the reader is on, I wanted to prod strong feelings out.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/3/2008 1:52:17 PM   
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Rape fantasies are pretty common, since rape isn't about sex so much as power, and thus the fantasies are often about power as well.
You have essentially two choices: one, keep it as a fantasy;  two, find someone you trust to enact that fantasy.
The enactment won't ever be exactly the same if your fantasy is about being raped by strangers, because you're going to know the person doing it with you.  And hopefully you'll have some sort of safeword (v. important in consensual non-consent).  And there's a risk of it going wrong and you being unhappy with the other person (why my Dom is very cautious about the idea himself- he doesn't want to lose me).  But if you figure out what you can realistically get and how to get it, it can be very rewarding. 

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/4/2008 7:13:48 AM   
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If you find a partner who is good at getting into your head and mind fucking you, it can still feel very real while you know you are safe.


Very interesting thought... Perhaps even a rape scene in which the person you trust attacks you without revealing their identity until afterwards? I know that rape can still be rape, but would it be mitigated by the knowledge afterwards that you're safe, and it was done to realize a fantasy rather than to hurt you?

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/7/2008 6:34:30 AM   
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Rape fantasy is common - one of the most common next to threesome's from what I have researched. I have my own rape fantasies - I have requested a forced rape scene with my Husband who has eluded to its possibility but we shall see... for now it is enough of a turn on to leave it in fantasy land.

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RE: Rape fantasies? - 7/7/2008 9:57:10 AM   
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I don`t think rape fantasies are uncommon...I  had them since adolescence...
 
Of course...many say how can you rape the willing...
 
However...because of this *lifestyle* per say...one can and is able to negotiate them with the right kind of partner/s...
 
Then people say well...*how can you call that a rape scene*
 
I was told to be at a certain house at a certain time...my lady had told me tonight was going to be the night...who would be there and how many was not my bizz...
 
Now...just because I knew that evening could and possibly would end up where I was in a rape scene with multiple people did it make me any less apprehensive...
 
Of course not...
 
Like most nights I was told to shut up and show up...
 
I was terrified...

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