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Aswad -> RE: The Ultimate Form of Submission (6/29/2008 7:36:47 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox
Can't agree with that one. Surrender is a process, not an event.
Okay, I'm a bit pedantic too, so I deserved that. If I tell you that I was, for once, not being pedantically accurate with my post, I think you can tell what I meant, however, and now I'm telling you. Of course it is a process, although it is one in which there are also some discrete steps on certain levels (such as the conscious decision to hand over the reins, so to speak).
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We think with emotions; I'd go so far as to say that no thought, no matter how abstract (and I'm talking higher math/logic here) is NOT an emotional thought.
Don't agree with you there, but the brain imaging technology hasn't come far enough to say for sure. I would guess, however, that emotional involvement is dependent on how the concepts involved were coded as they were recorded, and whether there was any significant beta-adrenergic activity at the time, as well as how long ago it happened and how many times it has been rewritten in abstract contexts since that.
Which is entirely off-topic, so let's muse on it another time or elsewhere.
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Pleasure may be a motivator, an obstruction, a catalyst, or a deterrent. But it is never irrelevant.
Let me have another go at that part, then. The pleasure a submissive may or may not experience as a direct, first-order consequence of an action undertaken to fulfill a demand from a dominant is not relevant to whether her compliance constitutes submission or not. Surely, that is close enough to fill in the blanks?
Health,
al-Aswad.
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