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General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 11:44:21 AM

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Gen. Wesley Clark, acting as a surrogate for Barack Obama’s campaign, invoked John McCain’s military service against him in one of the more personal attacks on the Republican presidential nominee this election cycle.

Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” And in saying so, he took a few swipes at McCain’s military service.

“He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,” Clark said.

“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080629/pl_politico/11425

Could Clark be the VP for Obama?

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 11:49:32 AM

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Now that right there?

That's swiftboating with CLASS. Get someone from the military who did more than clean latrines to actually point out the emporors with no clothes.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:08:25 PM

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Perhaps this will lead McCain to choose a V.P. like J.C. Watts Jr. (former congressman from Oklahoma). It would make for very interesting dialogue this fall.

For those that don't know who he is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:09:31 PM

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Clark's comment's were unneeded. McCain's military service was honorable and commanding a squadron whether in peace time or war still involves being a decision maker with regards to the lives of dozens of people.

Lieberman continued his rather disgusting policy of telling lies in support of McCain.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:13:09 PM

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O, the gloves are coming off, he, he. I wondered if we were going to continue to reverence McCain as a former POW and 'attribute' to him military skills he may or may not possess merely because a frank discussion of his qualifications is considered 'rude'.

I'd like to know who is on the short list for VP for both candidates. It's almost July and the nominations are a lock; the conventions will be no more than a public show. So why all the secrecy?

I want to know who McCain is considering because he's so freaking old I think he'll very likely die in office -- thus his VP may well be the President during of all of some of his term of office.

I want to know who Obama is considering because I'm concerned about some of his positions and not sure where his priorities really lie. If he chose a military man as his VP I'd be very concerned that his postion on extricating our troops from the Wars in the Middle East was softening and he was 'pandering' to the hawks.

The traditional role of a VP is to garner votes from some element of the general voting population who may be distrustful of the Presidential candidate. Generally this has been regional in nature, with northern candidates choosing southern VPs to join them on the ticket, for example.

I think this election cycle will be different, and VPs will be selected to garner votes on the basis of issues, not region. I also think we as a voting population are entitled to know who's on the short list -- not just who is finally selected. This has to be the most closely-guarded secret of both campaigns, but reporters could suss out some information if they tried.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:14:03 PM

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Perhaps this will lead McCain to choose a V.P. like J.C. Watts Jr. (former congressman from Oklahoma). It would make for very interesting dialogue this fall.

For those that don't know who he is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts

Now, that's the first time I've heard that being floated. I wonder if McCain would catch a lot of grief, with people accusing him of picking Watts simply for being black. But yeah, it would be interesting!

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:14:46 PM

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Clark's comment's were unneeded. McCain's military service was honorable and commanding a squadron whether in peace time or war still involves being a decision maker with regards to the lives of dozens of people.

Lieberman continued his rather disgusting policy of telling lies in support of McCain.

McCain is a war hero. The comments are un-grateful and an insult.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:16:49 PM

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Clark's comment's were unneeded. McCain's military service was honorable and commanding a squadron whether in peace time or war still involves being a decision maker with regards to the lives of dozens of people.

Lieberman continued his rather disgusting policy of telling lies in support of McCain.

Lieberman puzzles me I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I've always gotten the impression that he feels let down by his Dem buddies, hence the distancing between them.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:18:38 PM

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Perhaps the 'righties' are going to suffer their own brand of unintended consequences..................LOL.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:19:21 PM

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I want to know who Obama is considering because I'm concerned about some of his positions and not sure where his priorities really lie. If he chose a military man as his VP I'd be very concerned that his postion on extricating our troops from the Wars in the Middle East was softening and he was 'pandering' to the hawks.

Obama has two military men to chose from, IMO: Clark, and Sen. James Webb. I think both would make formidable allies for him. Hell, he might choose Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel!

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:20:34 PM

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Perhaps this will lead McCain to choose a V.P. like J.C. Watts Jr. (former congressman from Oklahoma). It would make for very interesting dialogue this fall.

For those that don't know who he is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts

yeah,<he-he>, the righty who helped go after Bill Clinton over a JB,while having an out of wed-lock UM.

Good choice for republicans,w/ the hypocrisy already baked right into the cake....

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:22:44 PM

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Clark's comment's were unneeded. McCain's military service was honorable and commanding a squadron whether in peace time or war still involves being a decision maker with regards to the lives of dozens of people.

Lieberman continued his rather disgusting policy of telling lies in support of McCain.

Lieberman puzzles me I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I've always gotten the impression that he feels let down by his Dem buddies, hence the distancing between them.

His former Dem buddies are mighty pissed at him for his hypocrisy. When he ran for VP he rather famously refused to campaign on the Sabbath and people at the time respected his religious stance on the subject. However since then he has campaigned and done other 'work' on the Sabbath. It doesn't get a lot of mainstream press but I know it is and was a big deal in the progressive blogosphere. It's a big part of the reason the Democratic leadership started cutting ties with him.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:31:54 PM

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Gen. Wesley Clark, acting as a surrogate for Barack Obama’s campaign, invoked John McCain’s military service against him in one of the more personal attacks on the Republican presidential nominee this election cycle.

Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” And in saying so, he took a few swipes at McCain’s military service.

“He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,” Clark said.

“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080629/pl_politico/11425

Could Clark be the VP for Obama?

General Wesley Clark, fired as U.S. Supreme Allied Commander for what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen Hugh Shelton termed "integrity issues". (note, Shelton was a Clinton appointee, who retired in late 2001.)

General Wesley Clark, who had a subordinate refuse a direct order, being told by British General Mike Jackson that "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you".

General Wesley Clark, who once said "I would have been a Republican if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls."

General Wesley Clark, who happily exchanged hats with Serbian war criminal Ratko Mladic, during an unapproved meeting with him.

General Wesley Clark, test, tried, rejected.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:32:18 PM

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I think the contrasts would be excellent. Of course there are some on the opposite side of McCain that would call foul, afterall they are the ones that choose to look at the color of a person's skin rather than at his character.

Quick little quote "You see character does count. For too long we have gotten by in a society that says the only thing right is to get by and the only thing wrong is to get caught. Character is doing what's right when nobody is looking." - J.C. Watts (source: http://www.northerncityjournal.com/files/vol01_26.html where it was suggested that Rep. Watts should be chosen as a V.P. in 2000)

The other question that comes to mind is how much credibility does Gen. Clark have these days? After his last forray into politics, he lost alot of my respect.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:34:47 PM

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'Leibowitz' is the goofy jew uncle, kinda like Jackie Mason. Ted Kennedy is the debauched, debased, decadent tradition of 'Democrats', Barney Frank the token 'fag', it is the sort of shit we parade around and extemporize, citing great works of, while Republicans suck each other off in airport bathrooms.

Politics does not hold the depth or breath of incandescent thought you were taught in gradeschool. I do not fathom why anyone thinks it does.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:41:41 PM

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Perhaps this will lead McCain to choose a V.P. like J.C. Watts Jr. (former congressman from Oklahoma). It would make for very interesting dialogue this fall.

For those that don't know who he is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts

yeah,<he-he>, the righty who helped go after Bill Clinton over a JB,while having an out of wed-lock UM.

Good choice for republicans,w/ the hypocrisy already baked right into the cake....

So your best attack is that he was part of the impeachment process. Oh and let's at least state the facts correctly, he was impeached for perjury, not the piece of ass he was getting on the side. Was the Arkansas bar acting as a political arm of the right wing nuts? At least, Bill is finally eligible to practice law again as of Jan '06. I know it was just over a blowjob.

Sorry to all for getting sidetracked.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:45:03 PM

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Clark's comment's were unneeded. McCain's military service was honorable and commanding a squadron whether in peace time or war still involves being a decision maker with regards to the lives of dozens of people.

Lieberman continued his rather disgusting policy of telling lies in support of McCain.

Lieberman puzzles me I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I've always gotten the impression that he feels let down by his Dem buddies, hence the distancing between them.

Meh,he was fine till he hitched himself to Bush.

The narrative of his victimization, is laughable.

No democrat leaders dissed him or stabbed him in the back.He just lost the primary.

The dems didn`t leave him.He left the democratic party.

He ran in and lost his primary(it`s politics,not a personal entitlement program). He was a very sore loser as well.

Instead of moving on or prepping to run again(as a dem),he left the party.That was pure ego and entirely his choice.

You actually had the Conn. GOP trying to help him win over their own republican candidate!That`s unprecedented ,as far as I know.

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The democratic leadership in the senate didn`t hold any grudges or act as petty as Lieberman had .They allowed him to keep his seniority earned as a democrat,even thought he left(see sore loser) the party and wasn`t a democrat anymore.

I heard ,that to keep his seniority in the senate(not become a freshman all over again)Lieberman agreed to not actively campaign for republicans.

He pretty much has broken that pledge(if it existed)

Lieberman has kinda doubled down on his political life by supporting McCain.If McCain wins,Lieberman gets a nice cushy top job w/ McCain.

If McGrampa loses,Lieberman will lose his senate seniority and be relegated to the dunce corner to do freshmen chores and busy work.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:47:36 PM

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When he ran for VP he rather famously refused to campaign on the Sabbath

That's hilarious, because he went into the Senate and cast votes on the Sabbath.

If Lieberman is lying about his own observance, when *won't* he lie about? Zero Credibility.

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 12:57:15 PM

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Perhaps this will lead McCain to choose a V.P. like J.C. Watts Jr. (former congressman from Oklahoma). It would make for very interesting dialogue this fall.

For those that don't know who he is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts

yeah,<he-he>, the righty who helped go after Bill Clinton over a JB,while having an out of wed-lock UM.

Good choice for republicans,w/ the hypocrisy already baked right into the cake....

So your best attack is that he was part of the impeachment process. Oh and let's at least state the facts correctly, he was impeached for perjury, not the piece of ass he was getting on the side. Was the Arkansas bar acting as a political arm of the right wing nuts? At least, Bill is finally eligible to practice law again as of Jan '06. I know it was just over a blowjob.

Sorry to all for getting sidetracked.

"impeached for perjury"

<lol > Righhhhht...... for perjury......

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RE: General Wesley Clark takes a swipe at McCain - 6/29/2008 1:02:10 PM

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'Leibowitz' is the goofy jew uncle, kinda like Jackie Mason. Ted Kennedy is the debauched, debased, decadent tradition of 'Democrats', Barney Frank the token 'fag', it is the sort of shit we parade around and extemporize, citing great works of, while Republicans suck each other off in airport bathrooms.

Politics does not hold the depth or breath of incandescent thought you were taught in gradeschool. I do not fathom why anyone thinks it does.

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I seem to remember a drunk, a bridge, an accident, and somebody dying.... nevermind those things are far from important, he is an upstanding (staggering perhaps) citizen that belongs to a family of privledge. Nothing to see here, move along.

I love how both sides only want to talk about the other sides faults, and completely ignore the same truths about their own.

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