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Alumbrado -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:01:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsValentine


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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Excellent piece stella - and your new pic rocks!
But as all good pieces of writing, it went over some peoples heads and they come in being what they don't get.[;)]
Ah - I love the smell of irony.

the.dark.


It is more fun for others perhaps to take what is an interesting post at face value and discuss what they feel. If something is just meant or taken as irony, what then does it mean in terms of subsequent posts. They can say " Jolly good, what hilarious irony" but what else? It can just seem as though all you get is much sage head nodding at the cleverness of it all and without any other substance, it seems a bit empty.

More fun to just debate as is written and allow people to get steamed up and stir up some fiery responses.



 
Mountains of ignorance are built up one handful at a time.  The 'I'm so smart isn't it ironic you didn't even know that was over your head' giddy fawning allows the cheerleaders for ignorance here to dump double handsful on the pile.
 
Looking at the OP's history, you can rest assured that it was much more of a reflection of them than they ever intended.




GreedyTop -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:06:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......

Okay...get ready Stella.....

How many times have you sub males felt like raw meat because you have a credit card?

A beacon....laser lights have shone on you...."look...over THERE!!!!  There's someone who can cover our fun for the night@!!!!!!"

How many times have you, a male sub, having done well in life, been the active focal point of the Domme you used to date (because they DO talk amongst themselves you know), and she's telling all her friends "he does very well...snuggle up to him...he'll take care of you"....

(And then they all do).

And then several get drunk (just like those guys you mention)...and the ones who have breathalyzers attached to their steering wheel (unbeknownst to you) all seem to aggregate in your booth...but you don't know that....anymore than some chic might know that the guys she eschews {after knowing the facts} would wonder why they chose her.....:: snip::
Occasionally you'll find there's as much swill on each side....as the other.


another brilliantly written piece!!  LMAO!




camille65 -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:06:38 AM)

I haven't even the excuse of not enough coffee [;)].
It must be natural stupidity on my side to have taken that very long and unhappy sounding post as genuine. I do that a lot, I assume that people are writing at face value in this section of the forums and I react off of that belief.

The thing is, I am glad I react that way. I am glad I don't scrutinize every piece of writing trying to see if it is irony or if it is real emotion. I'm glad that I trust people overall and that I have a real desire to understand and perhaps even help.




GreedyTop -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:07:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: christine1

Stella, i thought it was a brilliant post.  am i the only one that saw a lot of  "tongue in cheek" here?

nope, Christine... not at all :)




kittinSol -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:27:47 AM)

Fast reply - Perhaps some people didn't 'get it' because of the cultural divide. All the local Brits seem to have 'got it'. I thought it was funny as hell. If you didn't 'get it', it's no reason to be angry, upset or offended: rather, you could take it in your stride and laugh at yourself for 'not getting it'. Stella's post is a well-written piece of satire, not an indictment on your personal choices and 'lifestyle'.

It's funny that people take this so seriously: it's comedy, for crying out loud [:D] .




GreedyTop -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:28:56 AM)

hey..I'm not a Brit and I got it!!  LOL

(hiya KS *smooch*)




kittinSol -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:30:29 AM)

I know, Toppy - wasn't trying to exclude the non-Britts that did 'get it'. I didn't mention them, it was rude of me. Spank me!




Aswad -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:32:50 AM)

Not a Brit either, but it seemed too overdone to be serious, which seems to be a recurring trait in much British comedy.

Kind of like when my dear got rated the most sinful person in the country by a faux-conservative-christian page.

She's clearly nowhere near the top slot, after all... probably more like fourth or fifth or thereabouts.

Health,
al-Aswad.




ResidentSadist -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:33:54 AM)

Dear Stella,
Thank you for the rousing post and taking time to write it so it has impact.  I hope you hit your target and it wasn’t too far over some people’s heads (like mine).  I like your vivid portrayal of dating grimy drunks, blow jobs and the female supremacists abusing their submissives.  They are all crisp and tasty images.  I do just love you! 

In examining your underlying theme, it seems to me that you were sincere about there not being a “lifestyle” and it left my previous understanding of your community spirit a little confused.  I understand what you are impressing upon the newcomers but there really are some great people in the BDSM communities… the ones that aren’t drunk and grimy that is.  I don’t think that the BDSM “lifestyle” or its aspects are a purely personal and unique experience.  I think newcomers can learn a lot from other people with BDSM interests. 

There is a BDSM lifestyle with many commonalities in my world, it isn’t bull and it isn’t purely unique.  I have a lot in common with many fellow lifestylers and I am glad for their presence in my world as I am glad that you are on these forums.

 
Best Wishes,
Kalon Eric




GreedyTop -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:34:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I know, Toppy - wasn't trying to exclude the non-Britts that did 'get it'. I didn't mention them, it was rude of me. Spank me!


tease ;)
(come to FL and I will!! )




RCdc -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:36:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsValentine


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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Excellent piece stella - and your new pic rocks!
But as all good pieces of writing, it went over some peoples heads and they come in being what they don't get.[;)]
Ah - I love the smell of irony.

the.dark.


It is more fun for others perhaps to take what is an interesting post at face value and discuss what they feel. If something is just meant or taken as irony, what then does it mean in terms of subsequent posts. They can say " Jolly good, what hilarious irony" but what else? It can just seem as though all you get is much sage head nodding at the cleverness of it all and without any other substance, it seems a bit empty.

More fun to just debate as is written and allow people to get steamed up and stir up some fiery responses.



 
Greetings MsValentine
 
Firstly - welcome to the forums.  I do hope you enjoy your forage on here.
 
I completely agree that the writing - interesting (or not depending on the readers perspective) as it is, would be great taken at face value and the discussions that come from it are (nearly) always as good as the original piece itself.  My comment was more to observe those whom are ignoring the post and focusing on slaying the messenger - as so to speak - and hence 'becoming'.
 
As for adding my perspective on stellas writings, I pretty much guess my feelings on the 'lifestyle' is the pretty standard 'it does not exist' blah.  Stella, being the writer and playwrite she is - does it much better than I can.[:D]
 
the.dark.




kittinSol -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:36:58 AM)

Hey, the subject matter (the 'lifestyle') is so serious and sinister, it's not easy to make fun of, especially on a board where it's taken so seriously [8D]. Humour's subjective, like art - Stella's post may have had an ounce or two of seriousness in it too, which could be what riled people up... I've found that British humour doesn't go down all that well everywhere (unless it's of the slapstick variety, which the whole world understands).

Edit: incidentally, it could be that I 'got' Stella's post because, like her, I don't 'believe' nor do I 'belong' to this lifestyle I keep on hearing about. Perhaps we're just mere dilettantes...




CelticPrince -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:38:13 AM)

stella,

there are no quotes above to refer to; but it was my first inclination mto take your post one point by point. Then upon reconsideration i decided why? in favor of this one question.

What are you doing here?

CP




Alumbrado -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:38:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Fast reply - Perhaps some people didn't 'get it' because of the cultural divide. All the local Brits seem to have 'got it'. I thought it was funny as hell. If you didn't 'get it', it's no reason to be angry, upset or offended: rather, you could take it in your stride and laugh at yourself for 'not getting it'. Stella's post is a well-written piece of satire, not an indictment on your personal choices and 'lifestyle'.

It's funny that people take this so seriously: it's comedy, for crying out loud [:D] .


If Americans didn't 'get' British humor, etc., a lot of British comedians, actors, authors, and playwrights would be on the dole, instead of on PBS...





gypsygrl -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:39:33 AM)

Yeah. I'm not a brit though. 

I would've categorize it as tragicomedy rather than straight comedy because it contains some rather dark truths.  I was kind of surprised when people took it literally and presented their position as if she had put forth a thesis for discussion.  I mean, really, now.




kittinSol -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:42:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I was kind of surprised when people took it literally and presented their position as if she had put forth a thesis for discussion.  I mean, really, now.



Exactly.




RCdc -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:44:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilKitty

Simple...empathy. Some of us got borneded wit dis extra weird ting. I know it sounds odd, but we really do feel bad (not grotesquely, "gotta cry" bad, just "awww, darn it" bad) for people who appear to be having a hard time or are having bad stuff happen to them. I think that trait is reinforced during upbringing, by being encouraged to try & put ourselves in the other person's place. To those with the trait, that encouragement takes hold naturally & reinforces the propensity, to those without, it's an academic exercise to teach us not to be egocentric.
 I've found that both types tend to look across the creek at one another & shake their heads slowly. Ahhh life! What diversity! Happy Monday morning y'all!
Lady Cat


I get the empathy part - I just don't get the apology.  Someone apologising to me for what anothers done is empty.  I have empathy - oodles of it.  But to apologise because someone, somewhere - did something?  Insincerity doesn't do anything for me I am afraid.  If one cannot have or 'do' empathy naturally and have to apologise for someone elses mistakes or wrongdoings - particularly to save oneself from egocentricity - then there is something wrong with the world.
 
Oh look.There is.
 
the.dark.




MzMia -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:49:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I was kind of surprised when people took it literally and presented their position as if she had put forth a thesis for discussion.  I mean, really, now.



Exactly.


KittenSol, I adore my Stella.
Free thinking is actually not the norm around here.
Imagine that?
To actually have a different perspective and to actually share it!
Oh the humanity!




RCdc -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:49:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65
Well I guess that makes me one of those less than bright people that don't get it and I must also be one of those that come in being what I don't get.

I have no problem with irony but it should have been posted in Off-Topic if that was her point.

Apparently I'm not in the Stella-loop and actually, foolishly took it at face value.
So very silly of me, I should be ashamed of myself.

But I'm not.

All she had to do was indicate that it was not to be taken as she wrote it then those of us that replied as if it were a genuine post wouldn't be shelved under 'those that just don't get it because they are exactly what she is talking about'.



There is a difference from one person taking a post literally - to another making an obvious remark to slur the OP.
 
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The thing is, I am glad I react that way. I am glad I don't scrutinize every piece of writing trying to see if it is irony or if it is real emotion. I'm glad that I trust people overall and that I have a real desire to understand and perhaps even help.

 
And there, camille, is where you differ from the norm.  Because you do see beyond and answer as you see it without malice or taint it without rhetoric.  Not every post has such purity.



 
the.dark.




MzMia -> RE: The BDSM lifestyle is just a pile of bullshit.. (6/30/2008 8:52:09 AM)

Humm, I don't think Stella has a "cool kids" card, yet.
 
I am going to be printing some and sending them out.




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