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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 10:40:31 AM   
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Could not have said it better myself.

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Ideally, the no-go areas should be mapped out and cordoned off ahead of time.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 10:40:41 AM   
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Could not have said it better myself.

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Ideally, the no-go areas should be mapped out and cordoned off ahead of time.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 11:21:12 AM   
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LA has seen me and my "family". We attract a lot of attention and a lot of play partners. That is just us; we don't push it on anyone else. I just wonder why all the judgemental tone of some of the responses to this question. One of the reasons we left "formal" bdsm was this kind of crap; people with kink standing in critical judgement of other kinksters. In our case it was prejudice against gay males, swingers, and bi males. We gave it two years; then we had all we could stand and started our own group.



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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 11:40:38 AM   
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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 12:59:21 PM   
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I hadn't heard the term "HNG" before today, but

Any guy who has to rely on anyone else to scare up partners for him is pretty much a loser.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 1:01:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovingmaster45

I just wonder why all the judgemental tone of some of the responses to this question. One of the reasons we left "formal" bdsm was this kind of crap; people with kink standing in critical judgement of other kinksters.



I hope it wasn't my posts and subsequent responses to others that you found judgmental tones in. I am only seeking to understand the practice from a perspective other than my own, not judge those who do it.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 1:11:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin
I hope it wasn't my posts and subsequent responses to others that you found judgmental tones in. I am only seeking to understand the practice from a perspective other than my own, not judge those who do it.

OK well comments about not being a pimp and any dom that wants another woman can find them for himself ring more of a put-down and snappy remark rather than a request to understand that particular perspective.

I know when I read it I got a very haughty/f-you tone about those remarks. That might be completely opposite of what you had in mind, but that's how it came across to me.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 1:33:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

yes it's called swinging I belive


Something to the effect of three-some one-night-stands, if that makes sense. Playing with others, as a couple, with zero commitment implied or asked of the individual theya re playing with.)


Its called swinging lately. When I was young we used to call it "having good time" and didnt discuss it as a lifestyle or something "in". We didnt discuss it at all, just had our fun.
Sometimes I feel sorry for these new generations.....

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 1:45:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kasia
Its called swinging lately. When I was young we used to call it "having good time" and didnt discuss it as a lifestyle or something "in". We didnt discuss it at all, just had our fun.
Sometimes I feel sorry for these new generations.....

Sigh I feel sorry for us too!!!! :)

I've frequented swinger clubs and parties, and I certainly do have casual random sex, but I don't consider myself a swinger per se. Swinging to me is a regular hobby for a particular purpose. The same reason I dress in kink wear occasionally and love going to goth clubs, but I'm not "a goth" (and they'd get pissy at me if I tried to call myself one). I don't share the same values and goals and purpose that they do as a sub-culture.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 2:00:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I don't share the same values and goals and purpose that they do as a sub-culture.

That is my point.
I see my younger daughter wearing black and trying to belong to some obscur sub-culture without really being part of it as personality. Ok, she is 16 and still finding herself.
But as I remember, when I was that age, we didnt have any sub-cultures (if you dont count aging hippies). We didnt desperately try to be politically correct and act proper as I can see lot of people do today. We had swinging and spanking and all the stuff mixed together for our personal individual fun as each of us saw fit. And had great time.

Ok, I am probably getting to that age when one starts to suffer from "good old times" sindrom

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 2:48:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin
I hope it wasn't my posts and subsequent responses to others that you found judgmental tones in. I am only seeking to understand the practice from a perspective other than my own, not judge those who do it.

OK well comments about not being a pimp and any dom that wants another woman can find them for himself ring more of a put-down and snappy remark rather than a request to understand that particular perspective.

I know when I read it I got a very haughty/f-you tone about those remarks. That might be completely opposite of what you had in mind, but that's how it came across to me.



And yet you sit in judgment of me.
interesting.
And please... if you're going to quote me, then quote me right.

What i said was..... "Sorry. i'm no pimp. Any Dom that wants to have sex with other women can line them up his own self.
Of course... this is not my thing, and so i tell any Dom who expects this that i am not for Him. It's just gotten me curious as to whether its commonplace and why. "

That's not being judgmental . That's a statement of fact. I am NOT a pimp. And in my viewpoint, he can go line them up himself.
Perhaps i should have been more clear about this situation however.
In particular regards to the man who wanted me to line up other women for him.. upon our second meeting, he was asking about all my friends, demanding i ask nearly all of them to have sex with him.
That just didn't seem appropriate.
However, the point with the posts was not to try to judge but to try to understand.
i find it interesting however, that people who tell others not to judge are often the ones doing the most judging.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 3:10:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin

In particular regards to the man who wanted me to line up other women for him.. upon our second meeting, he was asking about all my friends, demanding i ask nearly all of them to have sex with him.

That is for sure one very horny Dom

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 3:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin

In my search for a Dom, i have encountered several who have told me it would be my place to procure other women for them to have sex with, or that i would be required to serve sexually anyone else they chose, male or female, without question.
it now has become one of the things i list right off the bat when asked about my hard limits. i will not do that.
I am very much a newcomer to the lifestyle, and always seeking to learn.
So my question is... Is this a common expectation/practice in this lifestyle?
And why might some require this?
it would seem that that would put the sub, me in particular, at risk -- from sexually transmitted diseases, from the danger of serving strangers, etc. And it seems to me most subs are at least a bit insecure. So why would a Dom or Master require his sub to supply him with other women, particularly if that sub is the insecure type?



Firstly, I wouldn't say that "most subs are at least a bit insecure" as some of them are not at all insecure about sharing their partners or having themselves shared. Or, some people are at first and get over this fear of sharing. Some people in "the lifestyle" are polyamorous, meaning they have more than one relationship of a romantic or sexual or BDSM nature.

Why do some doms look for submissives who will look for a third or fourth? Because they want that kind of relationship. It's that simple. There are a multitude of reasons, one for each individual dominant. Personally, my dominant and I would like a third who particularly enjoys service, as I am not particularly service-oriented. We would also like to have someone who belongs to me (I'm a switch) and serves him as well.

As for a dom who desires his submissive to serve others sexually, that is a negotiation that should take place before a relationship begins. I wouldn't feel comfortable being shared with any person my dom could find on the street, but I do have a particular fantasy for being sold to others and being shared among friends. As long as the person knew my limits and how to take care of me in headspace, I would be okay. But that's just me. Everyone is different.

You just need to find a dominant who shares your interests, fantasies, and limitations. That way, you can work together to make a great relationship!

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 3:55:07 PM   
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Kitten,
Thanks for your response.
And you're right. I never intended to lump all subs together as "insecure." Meant only that many of the ones i know personally are in some ways. My apologies.
As for bringing a third or fourth person into the relationship... once i am in an established relationship with a Dom, that might be something i would be interested in. I am currently getting to know a Dom, who appears to be a very good man, who has said that would be my choice.
What i was specifically referring to was... the man in question, who i no longer talk to, btw, said it would be my responsibility, if i were to be his sub, to procure other women for him to have sex with. Regularly. Whenever he demanded it. If he wanted to have sex and i failed to find someone for him to play with, then there would be consequences.
That tends to bother me.... the more i think about it, perhaps more so because first of all, we were in a very very new relationship,and by the second meeting he was telling me this, demanding i find him someone.
Also, because no one can control others' reactions. To be pressured to line someone up for him or face consequences is an intense pressure. I can't make someone drop their plans to come have sex wth him. I can't make someone find him attractive. So expecting me to find someone for him to f*** every time he felt like it or ME suffer the consequences seemed out of line.
I can understand his desire for sex.. i love it too. But for me, that just wasn't the right relationship, and since then, i've had other men indicate they want similar things.
Anyway...
thanks to all for Y/your input. I've enjoyed reading the boards here for weeks, but only recently got comfortable enough to post much myself.
I appreciate Y/you all letting me learn from Y/your experience.


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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 4:56:32 PM   
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Just as a point of clarification - Poly is not really defined that way, you are overlaying your own preferences onto a simpler definition. Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory

Poly is whatever the participants want it to be.


Point taken but a successful poly arrangement shouldn't start with Hi I just met you on the net and we haven't even met face to face start looking for girls you'd like to call sis they'll be moving in when you do.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 4:58:41 PM   
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In my search for a Dom, i have encountered several who have told me it would be my place to procure other women for them to have sex with, or that i would be required to serve sexually anyone else they chose, male or female, without question


Yes, I have talked to several Doms who would require this. When asked about their motivations, they have told me that they see it as service. I would ask them why they require it because we can only assume.

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And it seems to me most subs are at least a bit insecure.


I would be very careful when making blanket statements.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 8:38:04 PM   
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I guess I'm old fashioned somewhat. I don't share well so I wouldn't want to share with others; especially my Sub/sex partner. I know it's done in many cases but I couldn't be comfortable about it. I want (have) one Sub and she's all I need right now. If she decides to move on or get married then I'll be looking for one to replace her. As I've said before, "Do what's right for YOU and don't worry about what other people think".

And you're right; the consequences of 'open sex' today can be very dangerous. Why would he want to do that? I have no clue.


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RE: Servitude of others - 11/9/2005 11:57:48 PM   
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Poly can be exciting and all, but it does get to be tiring in chatrooms where half the female subs constantly try to hit on other subs for their Masters. A few subs explained it perfectly well here about how it was easier for them than their Masters to find others, but I still find it distracting.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/10/2005 12:19:22 AM   
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When it all comes down to it you should remember one thing: Its your hard limit and his love..He's not the one for you. You can ask a few people on here, I just tried to be with someone that had a love for my hard limit. And swinging, poly not so much, is another one of my hard limits. As I am developing I had such a limit for poly. My answer to it was absolutely not. Then I actually went to see a Dom friend and his poly household. I watched how they work and live together and now I dont view it in such a harsh light. I accept it and know that it is not for me right now but could be a possibility down the road. That is what I suggest, find a situation where you can see someone performing one of your hard limits and then decide if it is so bad as you thought.

Personally, as long as the other subs are temporary I wouldn't mind it ever so often. I would get tired of it if I had to bring a Dom other women every friday night. Serving someone else of their choice.....I can say that I havent found anyone I trust enough for them to pick someone who is clean STD wise. Thats also a major issue with me...A friend of mine was poly and went out about three nights a week and would have sex with a different person. He now is HIV positive. He lives with me and I get to watch how he now lives his life every day. I never want to be sitting in that foul smelling medical room and have some nurse tell me I am HIV+ or have aides. Its just not something I want to hear.

So, always do what feels right. You coming across Doms who want you to do that? Pass them up nicely and move on in your search. Become slightly picky and you will narrow your chances of being unhappy.

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RE: Servitude of others - 11/10/2005 3:24:50 AM   
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And yet you sit in judgment of me.
interesting.

Actually, no... LA was trying to get across to you that your choice of words, the way you chose to phrase what you said came across to others as being judgemental and offensive.

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What i said was..... "Sorry. i'm no pimp. Any Dom that wants to have sex with other women can line them up his own self.
Of course... this is not my thing, and so i tell any Dom who expects this that i am not for Him. It's just gotten me curious as to whether its commonplace and why. "

That's not being judgmental . That's a statement of fact. I am NOT a pimp. And in my viewpoint, he can go line them up himself.
Perhaps i should have been more clear about this situation however.

To make the point... do you understand that by using the phrase you are not a pimp in this context, you are implying that someone who does provide other sex partners to their dom, or a dom who shares... is a pimp, and that that is offenisve? There's the rub that is creating the friction here. I think you'll find if you change how you phrase things a little, the friction will disappear.

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In particular regards to the man who wanted me to line up other women for him.. upon our second meeting, he was asking about all my friends, demanding i ask nearly all of them to have sex with him.
That just didn't seem appropriate.

It was inappropriate and since you were clearly not comfortable with that, you were right to walk away. That's pretty much end of story on that. If you have a problem with being approached about this, write it out in your profile. Anyone who asks for that afterwards, smack them upside the head for not reading your profile. In real life, just make that clear when you start talking to a dom, be up front about your limits. If you don't tell a potential dom what your limits are you have no right to complain when he asks about something that happens to be a limit for you. Dom's aren't mindreaders.

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i find it interesting however, that people who tell others not to judge are often the ones doing the most judging.

Now you're just being pissy, that's really not necessary and its not going to win you any friends here. No one was judging you. You asked a question and you got answers. You may not have liked all those answers, here's a news flash... that's life. If the only answers you want to hear are the ones you like, then don't ask in a public forum, stick to your gfs who will just tell you what you want to hear.

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What i was specifically referring to was... the man in question, who i no longer talk to, btw, said it would be my responsibility, if i were to be his sub, to procure other women for him to have sex with. Regularly. Whenever he demanded it. If he wanted to have sex and i failed to find someone for him to play with, then there would be consequences.

While badgering you to have sex with your friends before you have negotiated and entered into a relationship was wrong. There was nothing wrong with him being upfront about his desires... actually, that was a good thing. If that's what he wants, that's what he wants... its his life he can want that if he likes. If he finds a submissive who wants that too, then good for them. But clearly that submissive wasn't you. You know this because he was upfront about his desires, be thankful for that. It may have been a bad match and he may have done other stupid things, but that much he got right.

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That tends to bother me.... the more i think about it, perhaps more so because first of all, we were in a very very new relationship,and by the second meeting he was telling me this, demanding i find him someone.

If I understand you correctly, you weren't actually in a relationship... you were still getting to know each other and exploring the possibility of relationship. That's where he crossed the line. But so far as the demand goes, if that's what he wants, that's what he wants. It wasn't for you so you said no... simple... end of problem.


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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

I guess I'm old fashioned somewhat. I don't share well so I wouldn't want to share with others; especially my Sub/sex partner. I know it's done in many cases but I couldn't be comfortable about it. I want (have) one Sub and she's all I need right now. If she decides to move on or get married then I'll be looking for one to replace her. As I've said before, "Do what's right for YOU and don't worry about what other people think".

And you're right; the consequences of 'open sex' today can be very dangerous. Why would he want to do that? I have no clue.color]

Guess what, I'm pretty old fashioned too. I do not share... period. Chalk it up to having been an only child if you want, I don't share well with others. Hell, I won't even loan out my books or my tools without asking for collateral! (and yes I mean that literally) But that's me, that's how I am. Not everyone is like me and that's alright. Why would someone want open sex... dunno, don't care, not my business. If that's what they want that's their choice. Its their life and I'm not going to worry about it, neither should anybody else. Can open sex be dangerous, personally I think so, that's another reason I won't go there. But like I said, what others do is their choice. They can do what they want, and I can choose to do what I want, and never shall the twain meet. But there's no need to get unkind, imply people are pimps, stupid or whatever. That's tolerance.

Do I sound a tad pissy... probably because I'm looking at a long and growing thread and a lot of debate over a very simple problem. Two people found out they weren't a match, it happens, go your separate ways... end of problem. Why do we need to complicate this folks? Perverseangelic summed up the bottom line to this very succintly...

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

The way I see it, you agree to those conditions, you discuss those conditions, before you pursue a relationship with that person.

The dominant person in question can REQUIRE anything he/she darn well wants, you don't have to accept those requirments.

Like Emerald said, it's all about what works for you and what y'all agree on.

There it is... end of story.

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