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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:16:11 PM   
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Starbucks coffee tastes like crap, period.

I have always been surprised at their success because their coffee tastes like burned shite. 

I am willing to pay for GOOD coffee, but it wouldn't be Starbucks.

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:17:11 PM   
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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:17:50 PM   
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Just carry a small handy flask of Bailey's around with you, pour it in any coffee, anywhere, et voilà!





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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:23:32 PM   
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During Highschool I worked as a Barista for a few Bohemian Cafe's managed a few and then took a Job with Jitters where The owner saw my love for coffee and cultivated it.


Thank you for volunteering to make the coffee every morning on the birthday bash thing.  You ARE bringing a coffee maker/coffee pot/coffee press/whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-use-except-the-microwave with you, right??

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:30:44 PM   
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Cali I will be bringing a French Press, yes.

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 3:36:39 PM   
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Now, it would depend on what kind of gas you are talking about.

I mean, you can run Blue Ridge sippin whiskey in a car with no real problems, and you can drink the stuff...

Not to mention you can use Blue Ridge Sippin whiskey to remove paint, disinfect a wound, start a fire (a rather large fire) if'n you aint careful, get bears drunk with it, get your teachers drunk with it (requires dosing the coffee) and finally it will take stains out of your shirts.



.... then THAT is what Starbucks needs to be selling not freaking COFFEE. Coffee gives heartburn and stains everything, gives a caffinated burst of buzz, and that is about it.



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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 5:08:38 PM   
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Education will tell you that the worst thing to happen to the coffee drinkers Palate is STARBUCKS, they RUINED coffee and the miseducated people, case in point the have a drink they call a Caramel Machiado which is actually just a Caramel Latte so when I would have someone order a Machiado I would wake them one which is actually a lightly Cremed Cappuccino with a shot of caramel. They were expecting a big drink cause that is what they get at starbucks however that isn't what they ordered they ordered a Machiado.


The caramel macchiato is actually a vanilla latte, marked with the shots and caramel sauce. Macchiato just means marked. Starbucks has the traditional espresso macchiato also, which is an espresso shot(s) "marked" with foam.

I should probably throw in that I am a Starbucks barista. I don't believe the company is saintly, by any means. I do appreciate the emphasis on taking care of their partners (employees). I have medical and dental insurance, stock options, 401k, and tuition reimbursement available to myself while only needing to work 20 hours a week. As a full time student, that's about all I can manage to work. They will actually buy stock for me after I've been there for a year, and after five years I can sell it and receive 100% of the profit without ever putting a dime of my own in. I'm 21, and I haven't had insurance in a *very* long time, so that's a huge deal for me too. The amazing benefits do add to the cost of the product. It's impressive that once the company started to slip none of our benefits were cut. Yes, people are losing jobs now but most will get transfers. The stores that are closing are the ones that aren't pulling enough profit, and are mostly within a few blocks of other more profitable stores. These stores are probably going to get a jump in business and will be able to take on more partners. The partners that don't get transferred will receive severance.

There are PLENTY of things wrong with the company, I would never say there aren't. It just seems like it's very easy for people to jump on the company because it's such a corporate giant. No, our coffee isn't the best. Yes, many people find the roast too dark. We do offer bold, medium, and mild blends.  I'll point out that it's not really possible for us to burn it in store, since we don't put our coffee on a burner at all. The new coffee, Pike Place, isn't expected to store for very long at all. That's one of the things they are stressing about it, the roast date is clearly displayed in store and we only keep a batch of brewed coffee for 30 minutes. Our espresso is not the best, especially since we can not manually pull our shots. I think customers appreciate the consistency (that SHOULD be there) in getting the same vanilla latte and any store, and that we really put effort into trying to make a connection with them.

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 5:51:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

After over-saturating the market, Starbucks now has to pull back big time.
 
"Starbucks has a bitter plan"


By Scott Moritz
 
"Starbucks (SBUX) can’t catch a break. The coffee retailer says it will close 600 stores, about 8.5% of its 7,100 total stores, an expansion of the 100-store closing target it had previously announced.

The Seattle coffee chain has been feeling the pinch of a tightening economy. In February, the company fired 600 employees and conducted a in-store retraining program to try and revive the Starbuck Experience, as CEO Howard Schultz has called it.

Starbucks says it is trying to cull unprofitable stores from the franchise and expects to book $200 million of asset write-offs in the third quarter related to the closings. Starbucks shares are down 40% over the past year." 
http://dailybriefing.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/07/01/starbucks-has-a-bitter-plan/


So?

Am I missing something here?

It's a corporation....they fucked up....they're changing their ways.

End of story.

And?


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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 6:08:29 PM   
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The caramel macchiato is actually a vanilla latte, marked with the shots and caramel sauce. Macchiato just means marked. Starbucks has the traditional espresso macchiato also, which is an espresso shot(s) "marked" with foam.

I should probably throw in that I am a Starbucks barista. I don't believe the company is saintly, by any means. I do appreciate the emphasis on taking care of their partners (employees). I have medical and dental insurance, stock options, 401k, and tuition reimbursement available to myself while only needing to work 20 hours a week. As a full time student, that's about all I can manage to work. They will actually buy stock for me after I've been there for a year, and after five years I can sell it and receive 100% of the profit without ever putting a dime of my own in. I'm 21, and I haven't had insurance in a *very* long time, so that's a huge deal for me too. The amazing benefits do add to the cost of the product. It's impressive that once the company started to slip none of our benefits were cut. Yes, people are losing jobs now but most will get transfers. The stores that are closing are the ones that aren't pulling enough profit, and are mostly within a few blocks of other more profitable stores. These stores are probably going to get a jump in business and will be able to take on more partners. The partners that don't get transferred will receive severance.

There are PLENTY of things wrong with the company, I would never say there aren't. It just seems like it's very easy for people to jump on the company because it's such a corporate giant. No, our coffee isn't the best. Yes, many people find the roast too dark. We do offer bold, medium, and mild blends.  I'll point out that it's not really possible for us to burn it in store, since we don't put our coffee on a burner at all. The new coffee, Pike Place, isn't expected to store for very long at all. That's one of the things they are stressing about it, the roast date is clearly displayed in store and we only keep a batch of brewed coffee for 30 minutes. Our espresso is not the best, especially since we can not manually pull our shots. I think customers appreciate the consistency (that SHOULD be there) in getting the same vanilla latte and any store, and that we really put effort into trying to make a connection with them.


I agree with all of the above... before espresso was trendy, I spent 2 weeks in Seattle, leaving behind a steady trail of little paper cups from SBC and Starbucks..doubles and machiattos, mostly.

And macchiattos were marked with just a wisp of milk foam not crema (crema is the part of the espresso that turns light brown and foamy, it is all coffee).

All of them were excellent, but I've too often been disappointed in the taste of products available since the craze went nationwide.(That applies to name chains as well as small local places in more than one part of the country).



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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 8:11:03 PM   
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Kick back, put your feet up, and have something hot and tasty. 

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 8:41:32 PM   
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Heck maybe they will get replaced by Tim Hortons ...at least the price of the coffee is far more reasonable and most here live for their Timmies ...here they have to continually keep expanding due to lineups... I am in a town of 30,000 and there  is 10  plus other coffee shops such as Williams  ... and in 2 locations in town  they have 2 in the same block, and I expect a couple more will go in near the new Toyota plant      and on the major hwys  they even have their own roadsigns....  when Krispie Kreme first opened here people went to Krispie Kreme for the for donuts and then drove to Timmies for their coffee... I know their are a few Starbucks locations in Ontario but they never went over big ...most people still prefer Timmies so I would not surprise if they close all their stores here

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Tim Hortons has supplanted McDonald's as Canada's largest food service operator; it has nearly twice as many Canadian outlets as McDonald's, and its system-wide sales surpassed those of McDonald's Canadian operations in 2002.[7] The chain accounted for 22.6% of all fast food industry revenues in Canada in 2005.[3] Tim Hortons commands 76% of the Canadian market for baked goods (based on the number of customers served) and holds 62% of the Canadian coffee market (compared to Starbucks, in the number two position, at 7%).[8]


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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/2/2008 10:23:35 PM   
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Having lived near seattle for most of my life, I just want to say, ABOUT DAMN TIME. they've taken enough of my moneys!


We are also just outside Seattle.  I seldom go to Starbucks but am addicted to Mercury's sugar free nonfat mochas and raspberry silks, so much better than Starbucks.

In this area Starbucks faces a lot of competition from small coffee stands that have more flavors, especially sugar free ones,  and also make better tasting drinks.  Every drink i've tried at Mercury's tastes better than Starbucks.

Mercurys has locations in Woodinville, Redmond and Fall City.

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 12:37:54 AM   
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Hello raaaaawr,
 
Thanks for sharing the insider information.  Your employee benefits as a part-timer are very impressive.  Glad that is working out well for you.  Welcome to the CM Forums.



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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 2:32:26 AM   
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Heck maybe they will get replaced by Tim Hortons ...


I tried Tim Hortons coffee a few months ago.  I took one sip, tossed it out, and went to Starbucks next door.  It was, by far, the worst coffee I have ever had in my life! 

The timmies were tasty, though - I kept those. 

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 10:18:41 AM   
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Thank you Vendaval. :) 

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 10:25:14 AM   
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It came to $4 Dollar Coffee Vs. $4 Dollar Gas Any Questions??

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 10:27:32 AM   
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Heck maybe they will get replaced by Tim Hortons ...


I tried Tim Hortons coffee a few months ago.  I took one sip, tossed it out, and went to Starbucks next door.  It was, by far, the worst coffee I have ever had in my life! 

The timmies were tasty, though - I kept those. 


Slightly off topic but never Drink Sam Adams in Boston! BLECH, WRETCH, PUKE  and here I was figuring it would actually be fresher because I was in the town it was brewed in!

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 10:29:44 AM   
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Mercurys has locations in Woodinville, Redmond and Fall City.


Hey Bill Gates is looking for a Job, sounds like a perfect place for a retiree! I mean he is in Redmond

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/3/2008 10:59:53 AM   
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Mercurys has locations in Woodinville, Redmond and Fall City.


Hey Bill Gates is looking for a Job, sounds like a perfect place for a retiree! I mean he is in Redmond


LOL, i don't think Bill would qualify, all of the baristas we've seen at Mercurys are pretty young women in tank tops,  that's one reason Hubby likes to go there.  He's even learned to park away from the window a bit so  they have to lean over to serve us.

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RE: Starbucks closing 600 stores - 7/4/2008 8:45:46 AM   
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Well, for me I do enjoy a Starbucks once in awhile.  However, I think it is a sign of the times..with the economy in the state it is in, people just can't afford the $5.00 cup of coffee and are goint to McDonalds coffee instead or not at all.

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