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What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 4:29:30 AM   
sensualdomNfl


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I have been a member on Collarme for some time. I have a question for you subs &/or slaves out there.

In some of the correspondence with female sub/slaves on Collarme, I am told that they typically receive “hundreds” of emails, especially after updates to their profile. I hear how they are “over-whelmed” with offers of …..well you name it. The question I have or advice that I seek is how does a DOM make his/her note / inquiry standout amongst the hundreds of others that you subs/slave get?

I have been told by one slave candidate that she automatically deletes all replies with genital pictures, another says she deletes all without a picture, another says she deletes all with misspelled words, etc, etc, etc. I have been told that 1-2 lines is not enough, and so I add to it and then I am told I write too much…..curious!

While I am not particularly handsome, rich, or overly articulate, I do have a sincere desire to be in this lifestyle and I am honest. I have experience with past D/s relationships and treat my sub with respect. None of this seems to matter. I guess it is a battle among those who can write the slickest BS lines and post the best out-of-date or fake picture. It surely seems that “good DOMs finish last.”

Any advice or comments on communication with subs/slaves for this DOM who always seems to finish last?
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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 4:48:45 AM   
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Respond to something in her profile (or journal) that speaks to you. Or make a (nice) comment about her picture. Be respectful. You'd be surprised at how many aren't. Being respectful will give her a good first impression.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 5:18:18 AM   
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i agree with making a connection by commenting on her profile, an interest of hers, her picture, etc. i would much rather know that the person took the time to actually read my profile (and we all know how bad a lot of people here on CollarMe are at simply *reading*) than sending a more generic kind of message. Also, i would put pictures in your profile instead of just putting "pictures upon request". If someone showed interest in me, i wouldn't want to have to message them back to ask for their pictures, so i honestly probably wouldn't message them back at all.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 6:00:32 AM   
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I don't think the length of the e-mail or necessarily how the spelling is is the main issue. You can sense from a mail what a person is like. I personally don't like 1 liner messages as to me it seems the person hasn't made the effort to say why they would like to correspond with me. However, i did receive an e-mail from a guy which had 1 or 2 lines but it was what was said, the tone of the mail that made me respond, so to me it's quality, not quantity. A person who is polite, respectful and honest will go a long way. There are so many people who seem to forget the basic social rules and guidelines ;) I think a genuine person will always shine through.....well,l to me they would anyway

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 6:01:46 AM   
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I agree with the rest.
But would like to ask why you speak in the thrid person in your profile?
Although your profile isnt bad over all, it's lacking something at least for me.
just my .02

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 6:05:03 AM   
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Generally, i reply to all apart from the nasty ones. When i reply, i first look at the profile; and the more information he has provided, the better. Two things matter to me: his list of interests/skills (to see if he is sadistic) and his written profile (to gain some insight into what sort of relationship he is looking for, etc.). Sometimes, after looking at his profile, i say "we are not suited". Sometimes i say "if You are interested in me, please tell me about Your values and how they affect Your daily life...and please send a photo".

Depending on the response i get, i may end the exchange or move to Yahoo IM. Generally the exchange ends there, as some Men seem absolutely mystified at my "values" question.

i hope this is of some assistance to You.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 6:13:21 AM   
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Hey there, for me, i look for a intelligent, respectful post. The actual length of the email does not really matter, as long as it says what is needed to be said. Also, watch to see what they are looking for. On my profile it says clearly that i am a lesbian looking for a female dominant for friendship and play. i have gotten several emails from men, not sure why they think i would be interested, but maybe they are just practicing for when they meet someone interested in men. One of my personal favorites was

"are you open for men if they help u $$ "

That was the entire email, not really sure what he was expecting, but i don't think he got it.

Just tell the sub, what your looking for and why you think the two of you would be compatable. Be respectful and i am sure you will get respect back. At least i would hope so. Good luck in your search.


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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 6:31:29 AM   
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Keep it simple and short or medium length.

Note something personal about them, show you took the time to notice them and actually thought about it. Don't make it obvious (for example, if she's got emerald in her screen name, don't ask if she's Irish or has green eyes).

Make it unique. Whether it's style, wording, phrases or perspective, separate yourself from the masses.

Don't send an email out to someone unless you REALLY feel something might be there, whether it's your intuition or a good match of interests or something else.

Accept that it's just going to take time and don't get upset when you don't get responses.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 7:33:39 AM   
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Basically, I will answer almost anyone who emails me. More often than not it's with a polite, thankyou for your interest, but I am not searching at this time". But the one thing that I look for when I receive an e-mail is the first opening line. If it is just a comment that says "hi, I saw your profile, let's chat"...well big turn off for me :) On the other hand, I have received some that started with "Greetings, how are you on this fine day, I saw your profile and I was impressed....etc". That get's my attention, and will generally get you a more revealing response from me.
Second, is respect. I was brought up to always respect others, and I expect the same, no matter who I am, or who is addressing me. Rudeness is answered with silence, respect is answered with respect and a smile.
Third, I always look at the profile of the person who has e-mailed me BEFORE I respond. If there is no profile, or it is mysteriously vague, that sends off warning sirens.
And last, gut instinct. While it's hard to get a feeling about someone online, sometimes you just get a gut instinct that says respond or not to respond. I always go with it.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 7:46:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: orfunboi

Hey there, for me, i look for a intelligent, respectful post.


This is my answer as well, and it means that someone must take the time to check the spelling and grammer...doesn't have to be flawless but does have to show that they care how they present themselves.

One sure thing that will get my attention is if they mention something that shows they actually read my profile.

If they make me laugh...Well, that's a sure way to get an invitation to chat on instant messenger. I am not interested in anyone I wouldn't enoy just sitting down and enjoying both intelligent debate and laughter with.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 8:01:19 AM   
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quote:

While I am not particularly handsome, rich, or overly articulate, I do have a sincere desire to be in this lifestyle and I am honest. I have experience with past D/s relationships and treat my sub with respect. None of this seems to matter. I guess it is a battle among those who can write the slickest BS lines and post the best out-of-date or fake picture. It surely seems that “good DOMs finish last.”


I don't reply a lot on these boards, but this post interested me. Why? Because I can relate, only from a sub POV. As a novice submissive who has been less than lucky on this website, I can say pretty much the same thing (except the part abt being experienced in D/s relationships, at least in a more formal sense - oh, and I do consider myself to be quite articulate and reasonably attractive, though not necessarily by society's impossible standards - and btw, you are quite articulate - your post reveals that about you).

I agree with what the other posters have said about responding to something in a sub's profile. Comment on what led you to write to her in the first place, something other than her bodacious boobs. Women, submissive or dominant, want to know that they are appreciated for their whole selves, not just their body parts. And, yes I know men are primarily visual, but don't tell me men are not also deeply sensitive, because they are. They just don't show it in the same ways women do, at least not all of the time. Stretch yourself. Go out on a limb a little and say something meaningful. Women who are specifically seeking a(n) ltr especially look for this and most are turned off by x-rated pics, esp. when they're sent along with a two or three word note akin to, "Hi there, sexy." Not that women don't appreciate the male body, but because they (we) need to know that there is some thought in the man's mind along the lines of wanting to build a relationship - emphasis on "build." Building a relationship, at least in my mind, begins with mutual respect and trust not the exchange of "show me yours and I'll show you mine" pics.

Regarding spelling and grammatical errors - the thing is in this day and age with hi-tech grammar and spell checkers everywhere (even if collarme is a little behind in that respect, one can always compose in Word, proof and cut & paste), and Webster's dictionary being online...it's simply seen as pure laziness and carelessness not to at least give an email the "once-over." You know if you send out a resume with a cover letter you're going to check and re-check or pay someone to do this for you. Why? Because you want to present yourself as best as possible to get your foot in the door. Well, you wanna get your proverbial "foot" in some lovely sub's "door?" Then show a little care. Also, it just looks so very "un-domly" not to present yourself as best as you can. For some, viewing a poorly written email is not only hard on the eyes, it's akin to meeting someone for the first time, that person smiles and you notice the huge piece of broccoli between his/her teeth. Turn-off.

The other "mistake" I think many men on this site make is they go after everyone, instead of concentrating on what it is they are really looking for. If you're here to find cybersex partners, then seek out people who are open to that. If you want to make real-time connections with people in your area, look for that. If you're seeking a(n) ltr, then look for that. I've gotten emails that I refer to as "ad-mail" because they are simply that. "Form" emails sent out periodically to one and all. It's a bad marketing ploy and for the life of me I can't figure out why major corporations still use this technique, when nothing annoys people more than junk mail...well, some men on this site actually seem to believe that ad-mail is a good way to meet people. And how do I know this is happening? Well, some guys don't keep track of to whom they are sending their ad-mail. I've been a member here since Sept this year and in that time, there have been 2 guys who have sent me the same ad-mail, two months in a row. And one other guy who sent me an ad-mail and then I saw the same ad-mail posted on one of the boards here. There may've been others that went unnoticed, but these are the ones that stand out.

It's hurtful to a woman to receive a thoughtless email or impersonal ad-mail, poorly constructed, no picture (esp. when she has posted a pic), or a pic showing an intimate naked body part. It's hurtful because it means to a woman that the men who do this can't even take the time to thoughtfully review her profile and thoughtfully reach out to her. It means they don't deem her worthy of their time and respect. Why would any self-respecting woman want a relationship with someone like that? And is that how any man wants to start off with a woman?

Before I put my words out for public review, I try to compose as literately as possible. I check and re-check, which is one reason why I do not post to the boards much. It takes time to do this. I do this because I care about responding well to the person or topic presented and I want to be clearly understood. Not that anyone has to agree with me, but I would like to be understood. And lastly, because I take pride in my words and ideas. They reflect who I am. And I want to project the best me I can at all times. I adopt the same methodology when responding personally to someone whether through written or spoken word. It's about thoughfulness in presentation.

So, hope this is helpful in some way and good luck in your continued search.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 8:16:34 AM   
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I must say i agree with others even if i an not interested in the dom a polite respectful message will get a polite reply. A nasty or disrespectful message not only will not get a reply it will get you blocked. Also write something orginal don't just give me your profile i can read that for myself. Pictures help but i don't have one on so i can understand, Of course i can always send some. just keep being polite and respectful and i am sure you will find the right one. Good Luck

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 8:43:05 AM   
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That is a good approach to take. I always reply politely back if these is no interest or inclination from my pespective. The same practice is not always forthcoming, but reasons for non-reponse can be many and varied. In terms of looking at your question from the reverse angle--the same rules apply.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 9:02:03 AM   
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quote:


Any advice or comments on communication with subs/slaves for this DOM who always seems to finish last?

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maybe more comment than advice. i am not now nor have i ever been a male Dom. so i got no idea what it is YOU FOLKS look for.
but!!
i DO understand about, nice-guys-finish-last. the other side of that coin, is the fact, that when you DO find what ya want in life, at least ya have the knowledge yours is going to last, vs, what the other-guys do. most of them go through too many girls and can't keep anyone in their life.

it is ALL the same,...if you are "a boy" like me, and if you are looking for Ms Right,..........or you are the-girl looking for Mr Right.

Doms, Dommes....it is all the same.
people dealing with people.

nothing changes.

so maybe? i said maybe now,.....how about if Ya just ...write a short lil note, just like You were in kmart or walgreens or walmart.......saying hi in a coffee shop.......and just be Yourself......BE the Gentleman Ya are,.....
and even though this comes out sexist.....
YOU are looking for a female of the species. and MOST are a bit timid and shy and like to be wined, dined, and romanced.
not all. but MOST.

take care
good luck, Sir.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 9:51:14 AM   
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Everybody has their own criteria of what catches their interest and what turns them off from the git-go. There's no magic formula out there but sincere interest and a reasonably well written and thoughtful note would probably serve you best.

Some thoughts about responding to a profile -
1. Read their profile thoroughly and pay attention to the details. See if their likes, dislikes, interests and goals match yours to a practical degree. For example, if you're a sadist you are not going to get a good response from someone who states that they hate pain.
2. When writing, be respectful and polite in your introduction. Mention some points of mutual interest. If there is something that stands out in their profile that speaks to you, say so.
3. Proofread your note. Check your spelling and grammar. This note is your introduction and represents you in words and will set the tone on how you will be perceived.
4. Pictures can be offered upon request. This is a middle of the road approach and gives the person to whom you are writing the option of receiving a pic or not depending on their preferences.
5. Be polite in your closing and express your interest in hearing a response from them. I've found courtesy begets courtesy whether I get a positive response or not.

As to my own personal dislikes, one-liners, form letters and text messanging slang are my pet peeves. One liners and form letters smack of trolling to me and do not express any sort of sincere interest and thus do not merit any interest or response. Text messaging slang just irks me to no end and has me deducting IQ points from the start.

I hope this helps you.

Sincerely,

merry

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 9:51:53 AM   
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Sir,
just be yourself.

i do firmly believe as far as finding a compatable match, there is always someone for someone. sometimes it does involve trial and error.

i for myself,and i'm sure others have mentioned, do not enjoy form emails or empty profiles.

i tend to give the slick ones a firm 'thanks but no thanks 'and prefer someone who isn't afraid to show their 'real self' as opposed to someone who writes what they think i wish to hear.

as to pix, looks don't make the man...
it is his attitude, his sense of self-worth(genuineness), if he has a sense of humor, his values.
how i feel he will treat my training/learning and me as an individual. i also look at what it is that he wishes from me in my submission.

finding a Dom that can make your submission feel like freedom is an exhilerating thing to have occur in one's life.

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 12:25:15 PM   
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being nice and respectful is good, but there are some out there that will BLOCK messages of simple things like, asking how their day was, how are they doing or the ever popular "hello". so, even nice messages get BLOCKed

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 12:41:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelMI

being nice and respectful is good, but there are some out there that will BLOCK messages of simple things like, asking how their day was, how are they doing or the ever popular "hello". so, even nice messages get BLOCKed


This is true. I have received messages like that which started out very nice and polite, only to go read their profile and find that it was lacking something I was looking for. Not everyone is looking for a meaningful LTR...some, actually come here with no thought in mind except finding a person for a single night or day. You have to remeber that not everyone is looking for the same thing; so, when you send out that all important first e-mail, take the time to make sure that the person you are writing to, is looking for the same thing that you are :)

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 1:02:39 PM   
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It sounds like you write a good message, you probably just haven't sent one to the right person yet. Keep trying!

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RE: What do subs / slaves really look for in a message? - 11/9/2005 1:29:17 PM   
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For my part, most of what is stated above is true enough. I have just this to add: Anyone who is too lazy to spell out the word "you" gets blocked. I also tend to delete immediate demands for respect/attention/whatever as I really have no desire to be obedient to someone I have never talked to.

I recently got a message from one Dom who had at some point taken the time to write out his favourite scene... which happened to involve every single one of my hard limits. Pretty obvious that guy didn't bother to read my profile.

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