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Alumbrado -> RE: Castle law (7/3/2008 10:34:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: candystripper Okay; so there is no new USSC decision on 'castle law'? I think anyone who needs to know what the defenses of self dedense, defense of another and defense of property cover in their state should do some legal research. Try FindLaw.com for starters. The excerpt below jives with what I can recall from studying for the bars in Ohio and Florida many moons ago, but it won't serve as a substitute for doing your own research or consulting an attorney: There is no new decision because for starters it is 'the castle doctrine', no one named Castle was involved. And the USSC ruling in Garner (no citizen of the US shall be deprived of their life for allegedly trying to commit mere property crimes) still covers everything else, including the states who have incorporated parts of the castle doctrine into their self defense definitions. The primary signficance, is that some states have rejected the 'duty to retreat' standard. Other states have implemented a threshold which says that encountering someone who has illegally entered your home is sufficient to satisy the 'reasonable fear of imminent harm' element. And asking a lawyer is a good idea...because they are going to be citing from LexisNexis, not Findlaw, and they are going to have a decent understanding of what they are reading..

popeye1250 -> RE: Castle law (7/3/2008 11:21:09 PM)
Note: Bear in mind the difference between criminal and civil law. While you may or may not be subject to arrest and prosecution, you might still be liable for money damages in civil court, where 'castle law' defenses may not serve to protect you. Since you would have been sued for an intentional tort, your homeowner's insurance company will not send an attorney to represent you nor will they indemnify you for damages if you lose. candystripper Candy, given the fact that a guy may have a gun and want to kill me in my house I'm shooting first! If his relatives try to sue me in court we get some people to follow them home from the courthouse. Yeah, I guess even a crackhead is worth something dead, maybe .25 cents.

candystripper -> RE: Castle law (7/3/2008 11:29:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: Note: Bear in mind the difference between criminal and civil law. While you may or may not be subject to arrest and prosecution, you might still be liable for money damages in civil court, where 'castle law' defenses may not serve to protect you. Since you would have been sued for an intentional tort, your homeowner's insurance company will not send an attorney to represent you nor will they indemnify you for damages if you lose. candystripper Candy, given the fact that a guy may have a gun and want to kill me in my house I'm shooting first! If his relatives try to sue me in court we get some people to follow them home from the courthouse. Yeah, I guess even a crackhead is worth something dead, maybe .25 cents. Popeye, people have been known to shoot someone they love by accident, mistaking them for a burglar. While I take your point -- and agree -- being sued and made to defend yourself on your own dime is no picnic. candystripper P.S. Alumbrado, FindLaw.com has links to state statutes and other source material. I didn't mean to suggest that anyone should forego the advice of counsel.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Castle law (7/3/2008 11:31:23 PM)
DA, it took me awhile to skim through those links. I will admit that the Klan is still around, and they still cause problems from time to time. I know about the Vietnamese shrimper incident. In fact, there was a movie about it. I can't remember what the title is; but I remember seeing it a long time ago. Shit, that was almost 30 years ago. I tried to find some numbers on the percentages of Vietnamese-American fisherman in the Gulf region, and I got different numbers. Some sites claim that up to 40% of shrimpers in the Gulf are Vietnamese fisherman. I imagine a lot of them moved on to bigger and better things. I admire the Vietnamese in this country. They have overcame a hell of a lot, and most of them have managed to be successful. Asians across the board tend to do better financially and educationally than any other ethnic group. I certainly don't hold it against them. My cousin in Alabama couldn't have children, and they adopted a Vietnamese boy. He is absolutely adorable, and he's family as far as I'm concerned. I kid my cousin all the time about him having an Alabama accent and being Vietnamese. [:D]. It's just not something that you see that often. I don't know that much about what happened in Vidor. I read the link you posted, and I googled it and briefly read a couple of other articles. I'll admit that there are still some ignorant asses in the world, and we will probably always have them. As far as the Klan; if people think it's a good idea to join up with those jackasses, it's fine with me. But I still consider them irrelevent in modern American society. They are pariahs holding on to a belief that has become unacceptable by most people. Essentially, they are flat earth proponents. They are oddities of modern society, and they deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.

DomAviator -> RE: Castle law (7/3/2008 11:58:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: candystripper • Avoid physical confrontation. If there is a safe avenue of retreat, use it (regardless of jurisdiction). At a minimum, retreat to the wall. • If confrontation is inevitable, give a warning when defending property, unless doing so would be dangerous or futile (which is often the case). You should give the aggressor notice that you intend to use force against him, in order to allow him to reconsider his position. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME! I am sure that some brilliant legal scholar came up with that gem of advice, but under absoultely positively no circumstances what so ever, no way no how, not in this lifetime would I back myself up against the wall. If i could not take a position of cover while maintining superiority, I would advance on the attacker. I would advance agressively, forcefully, and loudly - barking out orders LOUDLY with profanity, insults, and a terrifyingly high level of agression. The idea is to overwhelm your opponent with a level of agression that takes them off guard and gives you the tactical advantage and total dominance. Essentially you want to create "shock and awe" and to leave your bad guy opponent wondering what the fuck he just got himself into and why this badass motherfucker is not afraid of him.... Backing yourself onto the wall and saying "Excuse me sir, but would you kindly cease hostilities and maintain a non-agressive posture lest I be forced to escalate this matter" will get you killed. You need to dominate the scene, and to leave no doubt as to who is in charge. As Im sure Popeye can attest, non routine boardings are "aggressive" if not downright hostile... (Im not talking about courtesty inspections where the Coasties come aboard to check the expiration dates on your flares and whether you have enough fire extinguishers.) When you are forcibly boarded you are thrown to the deck in a flurry of shouts that puts you in sensory overload and before you even realize whats happening you have a gun at the back of your head and a foot on your neck. You dont see a SWAT team or the SEALs going in with tea and crumpets wanting to talk things out, and you will never see one retreat himself onto a wall.

DomAviator -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 12:40:31 AM)
Slaveboy, I dont have anything against the Vietnameese either my eye doctor / lasik surgeon is of Vietnameese descent (alas by age 40 I needed some vision correction to get back to the ol 20/20 and she brought me to 20/10 in one eye 20/15 in the other. ) I sent Britt to the nail salon once a week for a manicure and pedicure, and I have been known to frequent the asian rub and tugs [:D] What can I say, its an addiction I picked up back in the Pacific Fleet [:D] I have nothing at all against Vietnameese. Im just saying - they aint in Kemah / Seabrook and thats because of the influence of Klan around here. Actually Kemah has become a tourist trap, with a boardwalk owned by a person who is reportely one of the "good ol boys" were discussing... So I dont think their motives were to entirely help the American shrimpers..... As for Vidor, that is a scary fucking place and I say that as a white man. This is a town that in this day and age, has signs that say things like "N****** and Dogs Keep Off The Grass"! I was in a barbecue joint there when two DPS troopers came in, one white one black. The white trooper was told "You can stay but yer monkey has to wait in the car" and to my amazement both troopers left quietly and nobody was arrested! My jaw literally dropped cause I was so shocked. I mean shit president CLINTON, not Johnson but Clinton failed to integrate that place! Don't get me wrong slaveboy Im not supporting them nor do I think its a good idea to join up with them... I actually brought them up as an example of what happens when non-police officers go out at night on "patrol" to weed their communities of what they deem to be undersirables. If you review back to my earlier posts on this thread they came up as an "ominous warning of what happens" and I also lumped them in with the Pinkertons and Blackwater Security. We got off on this tangent, because Im just saying "they aint as gone as they want people to think they are". In some places they still have strong footholds and the smart ones are under the radar, where you least expect them to be. I mean like I said about the teaching job thing... Britt is a fucking idiot. Thats why I didnt marry her, because shes got the mind of a turnip. She a sweetheart, and one of the nicest women in the world and absolutely drop dead gorgeous, but god damn is she stupid!!! She is so stupid she makes my ears bleed and my asshole puckers when I hear her say she "becomed a teacher causin she likes childrens"... Yet her daddy has a robe in his closet, and apparently so does the superintendant, so shes got a dream teaching job lined up in August despite having a brand new BA in "General Studies" and "alternative certification". My ex-wife, while an obnoxious bitch, was a competent teacher, with a masters degree in education and prior experience and real EC-6 certification with a 7 to 8 extension and special ed, yet she got a bilingual kindergarten class in one of the worst schools around even though she doesnt speak Spanish. Makes one wonder also why a non-Spanish speaker gets a bilingual class doesnt it? I mean assigning a teacher who doesnt speak the language to a bilingual class isnt exactly going to improve the educational performace of that particular minority group....

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 1:25:46 AM)
DA, I understand what you're saying. I perfectly understand about teaching. I went back to school in 2002 with the intention of getting my teaching license. I wanted to teach history in high school. I took those education courses for one year before I said, "Fuck this shit." I swear to God, I never met bigger idiots before I took those classes. The very first class I took was an introduction course to education. The class was informal, and we were all sitting at tables rather than desks. The professor of the course was a retired teacher, and she was a fucking moron. The very first day she asked us to stand and talk about our intent in teaching and our area of study. Don't ask me how this happened; I must have ESP.....but I sat down at a table with the only people in the room with degrees not in education, currently majoring in education, or degrees in physical education. Actually I can say why I sat at that table.....It was mostly cute women sitting there [:D]. I had a degree in history and wanted to get certified to teach secondary social studies. One girl had a degree in biology and had been working for the state park service. She wanted to teach earth science at the secondary level. Another girl had a degree in mathematics, and wanted to get certified to teach elementary school. The only other guy at my table was a physics major that wanted to teach science at the secondary level. The rest of the class was filled with men wanting to be football coaches, and women majoring in elementary education. I am quite sure the majority of the women majoring in elementary education were in school looking for hubbies. I was fucking disgusted.

Termyn8or -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 5:33:01 AM)
The judges who made absolutely OBSCENE rulings during the "reconstruction" of the south after the civil war were the targets of the original Klan. Among other things they released criminal Blacks and that is how they started after the Blacks. But they were not the original target. And they did not patrol the streets, they would show up at a judge's house in the middle of the night and lynch him. The Klan of today bears no resemblance of the original group, or their intent. Racist yes, but who wasn't then. And someone mentioned Pierce, why did you do that ? Pierce's group, The National Alliance always preached non-violence and was strictly for the advancement of Whites, but not at the cost of others. Their doctrine is one of do for yourself, be self reliant and if you are really a Man you don't have to step on anyone to get to the top. But because they do this for the White race only it seems to be some sort of crime, yet every other ethnic group is allowed to have advocacy groups and they are never fired upon by the politically correct media. The fact of the matter is that Whites are not allowed to do what other ethnic groups do. Perhaps this is us paying for all the years we were on top, and for those who abused that position. The pendulum swings, now just wait until it swings back. How many Black people do you suppose live in DA's neighborhood ? The followers of Pierce do not burn crosses, lynch people or anything like that. They bear no resemblance to the Klan of today. In later life, Pierce adjusted to Blacks being around, and saw Jews as the biggest threat. I will not render an opinion on that at this time. But I'll say this much, he made a pretty good case. And while I don't disagree with DA's posts, as he is probably just reporting how things are in his neck of the woods, but what he describes is not equal protection, as well as enforcement under the color of law, and I am against it. Talk to old people. Talk with an old Black Man. I have. He will tell you that he does not like seeing what is happening to his people, and I will tell you this, I don't like seeing what is happening to mine. Now that this thread has been hijacked all over the place I might as well say it. There are neighborhoods where White people know better than to move into. I am one of the best negotiators I know in an adversary situation and I wouldn't move there. So they do have segregation when they want it. They want their kids to grow up never having heard country music, and that is OK. I want White kids to grow up having never heard their rap, but there is something wrong with that, perhaps someone could explain that, or perhaps I already did, it is the price we pay for being on top for so long and for those who abused that position. There is one thing people have to remember, a position of power is a position of trust. I know this from personal experience. I have had people do things that got them in trouble, and when I did I payed all the costs, got lawyers and whatever it took to get their ass out of the sling. It may be a bit hard to find the actual court case about castle law, because that is not going to be the name of the case. But I will find out. All in all, I will say it again. There is no societal problem that would not be cured by an 80% reduction in population. Then we will have leibensvroom. (sp) If my neighbor does not like my music and parties, that is fine if they live a mile away. It is when they live 100 feet away that the problems begin. And noone still wants to read that article I dutifully scanned. It's considered outdated because it is old. Your loss. It is still in my FTP and I will not post another link until specifically asked. Just disregard it, you don't need to know it nor how it contributed to my opinions. You are disinterested in such things, so be it. A few people here can recount how their lives are structured and in some cases how they relate to the lives of others. But without this article, they are missing an important point that is very relevant to the situation. The fact of the matter is if people would stop popping out kids like popcorn, at least ninety percent of these problems would be gone. Where do illegal immigrants come from ? They were born. They were born in a country that has no room for them. Where do the people in the Black ghetto come from ? They were born in a country that has no room for them. Where does White trash come from ? The same thing, exactly. Any child starts out with the same thing pretty much, it's what happens after that counts. You nurture and teach, get them on the right path of learning, whether by conventional means or not. They will excel. If not, they will be shot at DA's front door or mine after kicking it in, and his Momma will cry. And she SHOULD cry, because of her own failure. NUMBER ONE, if you break into someone's house when they are home, expect trouble. How fucking stupid can you be ? NUMBER TWO if you would enter someone's home without permission or an invite or at least being their friend, you are a fucking slug who needs to take a slug in the non-functional cerebral cortex. If you are a rapist, you think all Women were put on this planet for your physical pleasure. You need to be executed. You could have been the nicest rapist in years, being polite and apologizing that you have this need and are sorry to inconvenience her, but you still BELONG DEAD. Got it ? It is not the elements of the crime, it is the impetus for the crime. You break into someone's house you are there to steal, rather than WORK for what you have you think it is OK to take what others have worked for. Dead mother fucker. You should have learnt better by the time you were five fucking years old. But society programs kids to be materialistic, and these fucking religious holidays, as they are purpurted to be, just makes them think that they should be given what they want. Argue against that, in fact, put it to the test, got kids ? Get them NOTHING for Christmas. They will think you hate them. But what if this fucking bullshit had never got started ? Some mythical benefactor who lives on the north pole (which is melting by the way) comes and gives you toys, but for some reason your Parents have to work overtime and their income tax refund is gone. I do not consider that an equitable trade. I mean that and I double dare you, on Christmas day, if you have kids, don't get them anything at all. Or if you don't have the guts to do that (most people I think), withold their presents until the 26th. Explain to them that the world is celebrating one of the greatest men who ever lived, and it is not meant to boost sales over at HH Gregg. Try it, I triple dare you. They will think you hate them. Now do you see why I would homeschool and not have a TV if I had kids ? I want no part of it. And that is why I am not celebrating today, because what we have become bears no semblence to the ideal set forth 200 some odd years ago. Castle law is just a minor victory, because people like me get away with it all the time. Just sit there for an hour, if the cops don't show up just get rid of the body. Even if they do show up, don't answer the door, they have no idea where the sound of a gunshot originated. Some people believe they are entitled to whatever they can take, and unfortunately those type of people have been elected to the highest offices in the land. This is enough, because now I am going to open me a beer, at eight o'clock in the fucking morning. People wonder why I am how I am, and I try to explain, our problems are so deep rooted that we are never getting out of them. It is that simple. People who think I am crazy, if I gave a fuck what you think I would probably say that you are right. Those of you who think I am a monster are a bunch of wimps or assholes, and I will take a seat near DA and a few others. Those of you who think I am radical are stuck with an incorrect version of history. Think anything you want, and live out your life, that is until a psychopath decides to take it away. I won't be there, I will be at home defending me and mine. Any more than that about my view on life and all of this does not belong here. we were talking about motherfuckers who come to rob your house and OOPS, you happen to be home with a firearm, or a machette or sword. And I have a shitload of opinions on that as well which do not belong here. Now if everyone else would follow suit ......... T

Aileen1968 -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 5:48:52 AM)
I should be able to protect my family with deadly force in my home. Anyone who enters my home with the intention to rob, rape or murder me or my family is breaking the law and taking a chance with their own life. A choice between the safety of my children over the health of the intruder isn't a choice at all. Would I be upset and bothered by the fact that I had to take a life? You betcha. Just because I'm pro gun doesn't mean I'm itching to take a life. In fact I'm pretty sure it would fuck me up to do that, but I would if I had to...especially since SummerWind thinks that girls with guns are hot. [;)] And...there's an active chapter of the Klan two towns over from me in the heart of NJ. Personally, I find it disgusting.

Irishknight -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 6:34:30 AM)
Years ago, the law in Arkansas was such that a man wasonly allowed to use deadly force to meet deadly force. A woman in fear of having harm done to her or her children was allowed to use what would be excessive force for men. I have to check to see how the law has evolved in the almost ten years I've been away. If they are still the same, I'll just take my wife to the range more often and teach her to remember "2 in the chest and 1 in the forehead." And, even if they fall from the first one to the chest, they get the other two as fast as that trigger will pull.

Termyn8or -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 7:59:36 AM)
Aileen, I can get you through it in notime. Remember the intruder's face, with the bullet hole. Keep doing that until you calm down and take a drink of your coffee or whatever. Now look at your child's face. Notice how it is intact. Notice how he/she is healthy and well, even though twenty feet away a piece of human garbage is bleeding all over the floor. It doesn't take much to get out of the gloom, you probably didn't know the slug laying there dead, and you never gave a flying fuck about them. Let them take the body away and go see those who you were protecting. If no kids, talk to your family and friends, knowing that you protected them from seeing you get killed. That is how a soldier does it, and when it comes to protecting one's self, it is best opted attitude possible. Don't look at what you took away, look at what you saved. Thinking of number one is it. You can't do anything for anyone if you are dead. Elaine Boozler was dead wrong in her joke about on an airplane if the O2 masks come out. She said something like "They say put the mask on yourself first, but you got these big lungs, and the kid is little so 'I'm out'" Bullshit, you take a deep breath and THEN put the mask on the kid. Where is her brain ? Well, then again it was a joke. Number one comes first, no matter how much you love someone. Period. To think otherwise is either foolish or you are kidding yourself. Number one is number one. To illustrate I will propose an hypothetical situation. Inadvertently, but though carelessness you cause the death of a neighbor child. Unbeknonst to you they have a posse and very good connections and they perform a siege on your home. They are in control, heavily armed, phone wires are cut and cellphones are jammed. They intend to take the life of one of your three kids. It is either you or one of the kids. It is either one of them or you, and if you go they will all suffer, moreso than from the loss of a sibling. If you refuse to make a choice they will all be killed. How do you choose ? I can describe completely my method for making this decision, but most people are so horrified by it that they don't even want to think about it on a hypothetical level. And that is the point, if we are to take justice to the streets we must judge. Now judge your kids, which ones live ? The ones doing the best in school ? If you only have one boy you probably want to keep him to carry on the family name. And the one you choose for execution, how do you explain that to them ? I know that is a tough fucking question, but if we are to kill, we need to be ready to be killed. I believe that world conditions warrant an 80% reduction in population, and folks there is only one way to do that. And if the executioner comes to my door, and I am, by the rules, to be executed I will go peacfully. If this plan is implemented I will go no problem. I believe that it is so worth it to humanity that I would be willing to leave it under those circumstances. If anyone has that kind of balls, now is the time to speak up. Give your life for the betterment of society, something that you will never enjoy. Think about it. Like my decision on health care. I'll go to a doctor to get stitched up or something, but if I catch a disease, it is sink or swim. If my immune system can't beat it I will die. Everybody is so afraid to die, now my thoughts on that real quick. If someone sticks a gun gun at your head and says "Come with me" that is the last thing you want to do. You tell them, "Fuck you, shoot me now, right out here, do it motherfucker". You never go with them anywhere, because if (get this logic) if they want to get you there they have plans for you that they cannot implement here, right now. Simple enough ? There are exceptions, like when they have the brute force to carry you into their conveyance. I'm sure this happens and if I ever planned such a job it would be like that. I don't try to fail. But most people are fucking idiots, and so are their victims. Like a broad getting into a minivan, throws the groceries in and then sees a huge fellow (insert your own word) with a gun. He says "Get in or I'll shoot". If you get in, we are better off with you out of the gene pool, fucking RUN you stoooppid bitch ! Get back in the store, grab a phone, don't even ask, call the law. What is he going to do shoot the whole parking lot ? The farther you are from an assailant with a gun the less chance he has of hitting you. If he tries that out the window he reveals his presence and must leave or get busted. If he stays in your car he runs the same risk, but with any luck left some evidence. Criminals are stupid, that's why they are criminals. If the motive is robbery you can be pretty sure the robber does not have much earning power. If the goal is to rape you, obviously he can't get a date. So as to which kid dies. You really want to know ? OK the scenario I presented was having three kids. Now if they were all girls I would pick the oldest. All boys I would pick the oldest. But let's say it is mixed up. If the boy was the oldest and had two younger siblings, he would be spared and one of them would have to go. Two boys and one younger girl, the oldest goes, the secondborn can keep the family name. How can I be so cold and callous ? How can I treat a subject like this scientifically ? Because that is the way I am. And anyone who thinks that I am on drugs or something, come on, no drug can you this to someone. If you have a drug that can make people think like me, please distribute it, I will help. No drug can do this, LIFE does this. T

DomAviator -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 8:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Elaine Boozler was dead wrong in her joke about on an airplane if the O2 masks come out. She said something like "They say put the mask on yourself first, but you got these big lungs, and the kid is little so 'I'm out'" Bullshit, you take a deep breath and THEN put the mask on the kid. Where is her brain ? Actually, just as a little off topic tidbit of fact - you will probably not get the mask on either yourself of the child. In high altitude physiology classes I teach I go through hypoxia and an explosive decompression about once a month in an altitude chamber. What the flight attendants dont tell you is - there will be a tremendously loud bang, followed by a deafening roar, the temperature will drop to appox 40 below zero and there will be an instant "white out" as the humidity in the air forms a cloud inside the cabin and then flashes to ice crystals which will be sandblasting your face and the cabin will be filled with swirling debris...In this, an untrained person will have a "time of usefull consciousness" of approx 3- 6 seconds before you are too impaired to put the mask on yourself or anyone else..You will be unconsious within 10 - 12 seconds and will wake up once the pilots (who are wearing quick donning masks that they must have on within 5 seconds and who are altitude chamber trained so they will be able to remain usefully consicious for 10 - 15 seconds) descend to a pysiologically safe altitude. In case your wondering what I mean about "useful consciousness" take a look at this video and pay special attention to the cards and what he is saying... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQMupV3DLk That is a trained pilot at a chamber altitude of 25,000 feet. In at 35,000 feet or 41,000 feet etc the onset is faster and the syptoms more intense, and in an explosive / rapid decompression you get the white out / cloud / ice sublimation / frost bite / debris torrent etc.... The white out will be kind of like this but much worse as this was a controlled rapid decompression for training purposes with a 7,000 foot change in cabin altitude - not an explosive deco up in the flight levels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9UH8Pg_aY So , LOL nobody is getting masks on anybody except the crew LOL

CruelDesires -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 8:40:08 AM)
I see it like this. Pure and simple. The criminal/intruder forfeited their right to live as soon as they stepped foot onto my property to rob or do physical harm to me or mine. And.. if the intruder doesn't have a weapon on their person? I'm sure I can find a knife or screwdriver around the house somewhere to put into the hand of the corpse. CD

Termyn8or -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 9:09:47 AM)
I don't need the link DA, I know physics. In layman's terms, it is really bad up there if your tin can ruptures. Remember when you could smoke on planes ? That was because they opened the vents and brought in fresh air. Remember how smoking was banned on planes long before any law ? There used to be a sign that lit up when there was to be a takeoff or a landing, or in some cases turbulence. This was because they didn't want people to drop their cigarettes and burn the carpet. You and I know this. Later, fuel costs went up and it became a bit expensive to keep those vents open. So now most planes have very stale air in them. Some even suffer from something akin to sick building syndrome. That's because they won't bring in fresh air, and that is because it costs money to do so. You and I know this. How does this come back into the non-hijack mode ? Law is made of money. I can't put it any simpler. As a leading conspiracy theorist who can prove near half of it, in that context I have answers. The castle law was put into effect for one of a few reasons. And it is all money. While I support it, the goals are quite different than we expect, and I would not be surprised if the results were as well. First of all the ruling is good for public opinion, and therefore advantageous to those who put you there. That is a plus. The public opinion is a plus. The fact that our prisons are bursting at the seams makes it a bigger plus. A funeral is cheaper than housing someone for forty years. If you think the court ruled this way out of respect for the Constitution or individual rights, I still have that oceanfront palace in Belin, New Mexico. Cheap cheap. T

pahunkboy -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 9:09:53 AM)
Thinking on the crime watch topic... it could be a phaze... the garb. Hopefully tho bike riding will NOT be a phaze. I am not a bad azz fighter. Period. If I had choice between doing police items or learning bike tricks- I think the bike would exicite me. You know, junping ramps- spinning BMX type of stunts. I love cardio vascular -toning that bike riding has done on me. I Do plan to drop a note to the powers that be over the gang graphitti I documented. Also- as I ride around I snap pics of historic or townsy places. I plan to post it online. :-) Police science take alot of patience and restraint. Police are not there to be used as a weapon to others. Nor are they there to handle every little minor matter. Once when working the gas station, a car drove in- wondered about calling the police cause his car was breaking. Police science thins that a victem IS also a perp. Be that as it may- I love to bike.

pahunkboy -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 9:12:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol tulip, ma belle, tu as du courrier. Kittin, how do you say that in Irish? Pa Hunk, fuck that neighborhood watch stuff ya'll need a "Vigilance Committee." Ride around in big powerfull pick-up trucks drinking beer with baseball bats looking at people menacingly. Drive by some drug dealers and say; "Don't go to sleep, we're going to burn your house down!" In Greenville a few years ago they high school jocks went out on what they called "Rehab Rides" looking for drug dealors to "Rehab." They beat the snot out of them with bats and hammers and fists and it worked! LMAO! That works. I like the way your mind works!

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 9:29:34 AM)
When it comes to Me vs Them (and that means ANY "them") I choose ME every time. 'Tis the nature of the beast - even when the 'beast' is humanity, and we would rather forget that we are simply another mammal on a rather crowded lil mudball. Termy, your hypothetical about choosing which child... hmm... that's a lil more difficult, but only slightly so. I'm a parent of 2, both daughters (so no question about the family name issue) - one of whom (the younger) is healthy, the other of whom is not. No decision there, really, when push comes to shove and practicality. Don't get me wrong, I love both my daughters dearly, but the decision would still be easy. The older (severely handicapped) was not supposed to have been physically capable of surviving this long anyway. I came to grips with the prospect of her death within a few hours of her birth. She'll never have anything beyond the mental capacity and understanding of a 2 year old, regardless of her physical age. Her younger sister is so much like me she's scarey - more like my clone than my kid, especially if you were to look at photos of us at the same age, side by side, it's like looking at the same kid in 2 seperate outfits. She's intelligent, creative, inquisitive, imaginative, straight A student across the board (private school, which her scumsucking father's family insists on and pays for, but better that than the public schools these days) has been involved in dance (ballet) and music (piano and voice) since she was 5 by her own choice. Yes, honestly Her Choice - she Asked to be allowed to join a dance class, and then 6 months later to start piano lessons. Since her father's family is willing to pay for such, I'm not going to complain when her artistic abilities get encouraged - it's one of the few things about parenting that he and I actually Agree on! If I had to make a choice between them, the older is the one I would sacrifice. She would no longer have to put up with constant physical pain that she's known since birth. She would no longer be a financial and emotional drain on the family, and a financial drain on an overburdened system. She would no longer be at constant risk of being molested physically by those around her, simply because she hasn't got the mental capacity to understand what's going on even though she's now 21 and in an adult body with adult needs. No challenge, no delimna, no question, and no - no qualms about it. Would it be difficult to hand her over? Yes. Would I grieve? You betcha. Would I probably spend a few hours railing against it and attempting to find some other solution than the sacrifice of either myself or one of my children? Undoubtedly. And a few of those who came to force such a decision may well die in the process, when I shot them for attempting to enter my home and take her. There would definately be casulties on the opposing side before it was all over. But when the time came and all other choices were clearly not going to work - the decision was made years ago.

DomAviator -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 9:33:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I don't need the link DA, I know physics. In layman's terms, it is really bad up there if your tin can ruptures. Remember when you could smoke on planes ? That was because they opened the vents and brought in fresh air. Remember how smoking was banned on planes long before any law ? There used to be a sign that lit up when there was to be a takeoff or a landing, or in some cases turbulence. This was because they didn't want people to drop their cigarettes and burn the carpet. You and I know this. Later, fuel costs went up and it became a bit expensive to keep those vents open. So now most planes have very stale air in them. Some even suffer from something akin to sick building syndrome. That's because they won't bring in fresh air, and that is because it costs money to do so. You and I know this. Term, only space craft and certain high altitude research craft owned by NASA have "Sealed Cabin" pressurization systems. Commercial airliners and business jets use what is called the "isobaric" system in which turbine bleed air is continually pumped into the cabin to maintain a preset pilot selected pressure and a dump valve vents the excess air overboard. A 737 dump valve is a hole in the cabin bigger than your fist. The third system "isobaric-differential" is used in military aircraft / tactical jets. Air is continually being exchanged in an aircraft, there is no such thing as "they are too cheap to open the vents" because with the isobaric system the plane would pop like an overfilled balloon if they didnt dump air constantly... The actually reason for the no smoking law came from the flight attendants union. The comfort girls forgot that when there is no emergency they are basically barmaids and waitresses LOL and they were the first to demand a "smoke free workplace"... Thankfully it doesnt apply to me.. LOL The rule is only for Part 121 flights, and I fly Part 135 or Part 91 so I can smoke... Part 121 pilots do smoke in flight anyway though... [:D]

Maya2001 -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 10:42:18 AM)
quote: I do live in a small town, and we do have law and order and our police see to it that we do. It is quite safe here, because we keep it that way. Case in point, until the recent rains it has been nice weather lately so I have been driving my Vette instead of my Explorer for over a week. As a result I couldnt find my Explorer keys - I finally found them - they were in the ignition. So, for over a week, my Eddie Bauer Explorer sat in my driveway with the keys in it, unmolested. We have that degree of law and order because of our police and because of our armed citizens who create an environment that the thugs dont want to come to for fear of their own safety... There are places in Houston where the thugs own the streets, this isnt one of them because we keep it that way exactly because of our "who gets charged". I don't live in a small town I live in a small city, and have left the key of my cars in the truck which was facing the road easily visible to anyone walking up the sidewalk and my car did not disappear ...I have not locked my house doors in years even when I went on a 3 day vacation but never had it broken into.......we have no armed citizens here and crime rates are far lower even Toronto which is the 5 th largest city in North America and has crime rate lower than US cities with half the population ... so i am having trouble seeing how being armed makes your communities safer. The castle law applying to including being in your vehicle requires the assumption of threat to do harm , how would I know if the big husky black man walking up to my car is a threat in advance and when do I try to make that distinction when he walks right my drivers side door and raises his hand ??? I could percieve him as a threat and shoot under the castle law and it would be acceptable and his intention could have been to knock on the window so as to ask directions to get to so and so street but instead he lies dead because I assumed wrongly... I can see the potential for a lot of innocents getting kill due to assumed threat ... I can also see many motorists in need of aid being abandoned due to having heart attack or vehicle problem on highways because good samaritans are going to be in fear of possibly getting shot if they try to give aid out of how they may be percieved by the occupants in the car. I recall one time being on the highway at night and a car was suddenly behind me right on my bumper, we were the only 2 cars on that stretch of highway. I was in the slow lane ..so their was room to pass...but I was feeling extremely nervous with this car right on my bumper , so I picked up speed but the faster I went the car remained tightly on my bumper so I kept going faster and was doing 50 km per hour over the limit... I was absolutely terrified ...then suddenly as I passed an off ramp the car turned off ...while going under the streetlights on the offramp I realized it was a police cruiser going to an emergency he did not put on his flashing lights because he did not want me slowing down to stop and he did not go around me because he needed to get off at the next ramp but being he was so close on my bumper I could not see that it was police cruiser ...imagine the aftermath that would have resulted if I had a gun in the car and decided to use it because I was in fear of my life then. I have once had a very pushy salesman come to my door in an apartment building , I had opened the door and told him I was not interested and went to close the door but he stuch his foot in the opening and pushed the door open again to continue his spiel but his act of pushing the door open again and stepping into the apartment scared the bejeezus out of me and I started screaming loudly at him so neighbours could hear and he backed out apologizing. ..at the time it occured I had felt very threatened when i had a chance to calm down I accepted he was not really a threat but very pushy and rude in his attempt to make a sale , technically under the castle law I could have shot him for forcing his way in causing me to feel threatened ..but death is a pretty high price to pay for being pushy/desperate to make a sale

Alumbrado -> RE: Castle law (7/4/2008 11:13:30 AM)
quote: I can see the potential for a lot of innocents getting kill due to assumed threat ... None of your above examples would justify the use of deadly force with or without the castle doctrine. Successful claims of self defense require a reasonable belief in imminent harm, that a prosecutor, judge, or jury would accept. It isn't legally OK to kill others, if they merely bother you, and/or trigger unreasonable fears.

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