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ResidentSadist -> RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? (7/3/2008 2:00:50 PM)
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[sm=writing.gif]Note to self: Make a list of all the people that would submit and write to them. Anyone that would submit to Donatien Alphonse François de Sade can’t be all bad and must have a very open mind. They would either make great friends or potential partners.
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[sm=writing.gif]Another note to self… share with Greedy how revolutionary Marquis De Sade’s philosophies were and that his Letters From Prison held some of his greatest works in my opinion, not the popular 120 Days of Sodom, Justine or Juliette . Some of his philosophical outlook was in Letters From Prison. This outlook was the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure not restricted by morality, religion or law. Alternatively, the violent mutilations portrayed by characters in his stories were not always direct reflections of his philosophies but rather symbolic political statements. For example, the extremely violent BDSM style subjugation in 120 Days of Sodom was more a symbolic political statement.
His erotic works reflected his complete open mindedness and he explored everything, including the very dark recesses of human nature and I think that is what scares people.
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I don’t remember anyone getting killed by him but his antics and scandals include forceful imprisonment and sexual use of someone who eventual jumped out a window to escape. He drugged a prostitute, he fucked his male servant in the ass, he had a 13 year girl as his lover in his old age and most of his servants fled his service because of sexual abuse. One tried to shoot him point blank and the gun misfired. He is famous for being imprisoned off and on several times until finally Napoleon locked him up for writing Justine and Juliette.
For some to spend so much of his life in prison, he is known as “the freest man in the world.”
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Would I submit to the Marquis De Sade’s? Hell, I already have. I submitted to his philosophies when I first read Letters From Prison at the age of 13. I remember he said morals only serve to reflect geographical location. By that he was exemplifying that morals are not innate human nature. My example of this would be that in the middle east a thief is looked down upon, it’s one of the lower crimes and punished by chopping off a hand. In the U.S. we idolize and glorify robbers. Old west bank robbers and names like Jesse James are associated with freedom and it’s an icon of the American spirit. Cool ganster’s like Baby Face Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone also represent freedom and power.
Morals… as few as possible for me please.
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My personal notes and references on the writings of Marquis De Sade:
Studies in the Marquis de Sade
Marquis de Sade: his life and works. (1899) by Iwan Bloch
Sade Mon Prochain. (1947) by Pierre Klossowski
Lautréamont and Sade. (1949) by Maurice Blanchot
The Marquis de Sade, a biography. (1961) by Gilbert Lély
The life and ideas of the Marquis de Sade. (1963) by Geoffrey Gorer
Sade, Fourier, Loyola. (1971) by Roland Barthes
The Sadeian Woman: An Exercise in Cultural Histry. (1979) by Angela Carter
Writing and the Experience of Limits. (1982) by Philippe Sollers
The Marquis de Sade: the man, his works, and his critics: an annotated bibliography. (1986) by Colette Verger Michael
The Misfits: A Study of Sexual Outsiders. (1988) by Colin Wilson
Sade, his ethics and rhetoric. (1989) collection of essays, edited by Colette Verger Michael
Marquis de Sade: A Biography. (1991) by Maurice Lever
Dark Eros: The Imagination of Sadism. (1995) by Thomas Moore
The philosophy of the Marquis de Sade. (1995) by Timo Airaksinen
Sade contre l'Être suprême. (1996) by Philippe Sollers
An Erotic Beyond: Sade. (1998) by Octavio Paz
Sade: A Biographical Essay. (1998) by Laurence L. Bongie
The Marquis de Sade: a life. (1999) by Neil Schaeffer
At Home With the Marquis de Sade: A Life. (1999) by Francine du Plessix Gray
Sade: from materialism to pornography. (2002) by Caroline Warman
Marquis de Sade: the genius of passion. (2003) by Ronald Hayman
By Marquis de Sade
Justine or the Misfortunes of Virtue Written By Marquis De Sade
Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade
JUSTINE or Good Conduct Well Chastised by The Marquis de Sade and Rex Saviour
The 120 Days of Sodom and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade
Letters From Prison by Marquis de Sade and Richard Seaver (my fav)
Juliette by Marquis de Sade
The Crimes of Love by Marquis de Sade and David Coward
Philosophy in the Boudoir: Or, The Immoral Mentors by Marquis de Sade, Tomer Hanuka, Francine Du Plessix-Gray, and Joachim Neugroschel
Incest by Marquis de Sade
The Gothic Tales of the Marquis De Sade by Marquis de Sade and Margaret Crosland
Three Complete Novels; Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, Eugenie de Franval and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade (this is the only version of The 120 Days of Sodom published as Eugenie that I know of)
Betrayal by Marquis de Sade, John Burnside, and Andrew Brown
Journal Inedit by Marquis De Sade
Oeuvres Vol. 2 (Bibliotheque de la Pleiade) by Marquis de Sade and Michel Delon (Leather Bound)
Oeuvres complètes, tome 11 : Notes littéraires, Couplets et pièces de circonstance, Notes pour les Journées de Florbelle, Journal de Charenton, Lettres de Charenton et testament, La Marquise de Gange by Marquis de Sade (Paperback)
[edit: type-o, I hate that when that happens]
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