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RE: Obama: Mental distress cannot justify abortion - 7/5/2008 5:59:41 AM

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I am concerned that the guy who might be our next president dispenses his layman's opinion, as neither a doctor, psychologist, or a female, so freely, on this complicated issue of pregnancy and the mental health of a mother. Not to mention the issue of bringing an unwanted child into the world.

I am concerned that he thinks a person's mental health is not their health. Doesn't bode too well for his supporting issues involving mental health, if he thinks 'it's all in your head.' Even people who just watch a talk show or PBS or read a magazine now and then, have a more sophisticated understanding than that, of the relationship between physical, mental, and emotional health.

Emotional distress is to me no reason to abort late term either. there is adoption.... have we forgoten that? Oddles of couples would love to adopt I am sure. Plus I have seen tons of and worked with tons of "stressed" pregnant women who did not think they could hack it. ( Pregnancy hormones do odd things to your thought paterns...) But they were fine, and did wonderful afterwords. Some did put thier children up for adoption but at least they lived.

Those who are seriously mentaly unstable and a danger to themselves or thier unborn children are generaly seen and dealt with in the early stages of pregancy. If they are a danger to them selves or the child because of a mental illness then yes, that would be medicaly nessasary.

I think we have to remember that we are not talking about what shoes we are wearing to the prom here folks.. but a life. Yes women get stressed, some doubt they can go through with it.. or make good parents. It is very much akin to pre-wedding jitters. It is a huge life changing event, and committment for the *rest* of your life. hell you should be nervous about it. But a case of the nerves should not give you the right to end a life.

If you do not want the child after the labor.. there is adoption. Hell there is even a law now that says you can drop a baby off at any fire or police station. No questions asked. ( just in case you did not deliver in the hospital, or got home and realized it wasnt for you.

I know a lot of us women are pissed when any man talks about abortion.. but they did contribute to half of the creation of the race. They should have a say ( at least a little) or maybe be able to state thier opinion with out us jumping down thier throats with both feet. I also do not think that only Dr.'s can speak on this topic. Any one with a heart, mind, and who has studied it.. or read about it should be able to state thier opinion. Politicans are in place to state thier opinions. That is what we pay them to do. That is why we give them donations.. because thier opinions mirror , or come close to ours, on some of, or most topics that are important to us. We chose them to speak for us. How can we get pissed when they do that very thing? Chose a different horse if yours isnt running the way you want it to. or decide if it is close enough for you to be comfortable with.

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RE: Obama: Mental distress cannot justify abortion - 7/5/2008 6:20:11 AM

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Some excellent points, Gwyn, and caitlyn, you too, with posting about political pandering and the system.

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RE: Obama: Mental distress cannot justify abortion - 7/5/2008 10:11:57 AM

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By late term pregnancies or partial birth abortions, they're not masses of cells, they're formed, look like a baby act like a baby will often suck their thumnb like a baby. And in partial birth abortions their born alive and then killed on the way out.

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Secondly, I feel that genetic material is hardly life.

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RE: Obama: Mental distress cannot justify abortion - 7/5/2008 11:09:33 AM

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By late term pregnancies or partial birth abortions, they're not masses of cells, they're formed, look like a baby act like a baby will often suck their thumnb like a baby. And in partial birth abortions their born alive and then killed on the way out.

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Secondly, I feel that genetic material is hardly life.

Yes, that's true, but its important to note this thread became an ethical debate on abortion in general. My belief on babies and abortion are extremely liberal... Deadly liberal.

This thread has started to confuse me. Are we talking about pros/cons of late term abortion? Overall ethics of abortions? Obama's stance on abortion (clearly not that one, save for the OP)?

When I discuss abortion, I don't waste time talking about the ideal world (unless that is the purpose of debate). I apply my thoughts to the real world. Yes, in the ideal world all abortions should be early, hence late term abortions wouldn't exist. But that's not the case. For multiple reasons, things get delayed. Familial issues, trying to hide it, ignoring it, legal mumbo jumbo, costs, work, other kids, etc... The list goes on and on.

I find it unfair to be for early term abortion and against late term. The difference is arbitrary, and hence worthless. Seemingly unrelated, a carton of milk can be "fresh" or "old" in the passing of one day. Biologically, the milk didn't just turn, but because of its low value, we're ok with saying "now it's expired." A baby is valuable, and hence cannot be dealt with in terms of dates.

1-3 months: OK. 6-9 months: No.

On a different note, Gwyn brought up the mental (and by extension physical) stressors of having an abortion. Yes, its sad when the woman cries all day into a pair of knitted baby socks because her daughter "would have been 3 today." Is anything more sad? No. I hate to say it, but I will. This is an interal issue, as opposed to the external issue of more kids and population growth. (Ignoring the providing of mental health care) The system should not concern itself with the emotional strain of actions. That is for the private sector.

The principles set forth by our white, rich, land owning, forefathers DEMAND that the government not care about what your god thinks or how it will make you feel. Somewhere along the line, the government became the main enforcer of the "socially accepted." Pisses me off. ... I just hijacked the thread in a whole new direction =(

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