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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 5:55:16 PM   
came4U


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Status: offline 		OMG they are in a corrupt (as we are, but we are in a false sense of security that we aren't) country.

You would do all you can to escape to 'the great freedom land' too if you were in that position.

Your country (as ours) was built on the premise of 'bring your weak, your poor' and now if that is not the case, TEAR down the Statue of Liberty, put up a WALL and close yourselves off.

Don't act like freedom fighters and advocates of the world's countries of freedoms and rights if you cannot even (by now) tolerate and handle a simplistic 'problemetic' situation that has gone on for over hundreds of years. 

If Mexico perhaps didn't have so much American influence into keeping it as 3rd world as it seems, don't you think it would be done by now??

All these many decades infringing on Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, India and Africa and the average (American and British Commonwealth)person hasn't learned???? 

If slavery was still tolerable and legal, Mexicans would come in and be welcomed by the thousands (who bought them as labour)and treated the same or just as badly as they are now. 

What is the fear? Except that populations would rise?  It isn't about health care now is it?  It is about being a minority and the fear that comes with it.

Guess what?  It is gonna happen.

Learn fucking Spanish.  Even Canadians learn basic french....yanno, in case of invasion from the Quebequois. 


NATIONAL ID? omg, you would allow the government to use the ruse of illegals to infringe on your rights?

BOY..you are truly of sheep mentality.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 6:26:09 PM   
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NATIONAL ID? omg, you would allow the government to use the ruse of illegals to infringe on your rights?

BOY..you are truly of sheep mentality.



Exactly how is an ID "infringing my rights"? I already carry 1) A Texas Driver's License 2) An FAA Airman's Certificate 3) A concealed handgun permit 4) A passport card (not the regular "book" the credit card one) 

In addition my wallet is filled with other pieces of ID ranging from Scuba certication cards I need to get a tank filled, to credit and ATM cards some of which have my picture, to miscellanious and assorted things like my paramedic, ACLS, PHTLS, PALS and CPR cards to my fishing license!

The glove compartment of my car is filled with ID badges for everything from the NASA, to various airline sim centers, to the Houston Airport System, to various companies which are clients, I mean seriously - sometimes before I go in someplace it takes me a good 5 minutes out in the parking lot to find the right access badge to clip on my collar, shirt, or belt....

So EXACTLY how is putting one more plastic card in my wallet going to end my world????

I would actually WELCOME one "universal ID card" which could be programmed to hold everything... Buy a fishing license at Walmart - POOF they just download it onto your card, add a rating to my airmans certificate POOF the FAA just swipes the card and now I have a new rating on it, this would be a GREAT idea that could actually take a dozen things out of my wallet. Put all your car registrations on it, your sporting licenses, social security card, drivers and pilots licenses, and professional licenses anything govt on the one card.... 

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 6:32:53 PM   
came4U


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POOF...

your rights as a private citizen are GONE.

How you like them apples?

to add on this...

you have a wallet, with all this junk in it (by laws that have been pushed on the citizen/consumer for years) well..your tough luck.  I bet you now allow electronic fingerprinting at the DMV and at the gates of Disney? Yeah..cuz it all easier, its funners? pfttttt.

What you have done is allowed access to your every move via a chip in that NATIONAL FUCKING ID CARD. Satellite accessable, Cell accessable...that all knowing card you keep because it is 'convenient'.

The average woman carries 3 lipsticks, 1 mirror, 2 IDs (driv. lisc and some sort of state ID), 4 twinkees for just in case, 3 packs of matches, a few water bottles, 17 Mild Duds and a pack of 6 condoms.

Why is it so difficult to carry all those ID's? If it means the loss of your freedoms as a human and an American citizen, FIGHT IT !

Get a damn man purse. I wouldn't hold it against ya.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:01:02 PM   
DomAviator


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Status: offline 		What RIGHTS? The right to be a worthless dirtbag sleeping under a bridge???? In this world you are subhuman debris if you have no ID. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have anything remotely resembling a life in the 21st century without literally dozens of forms of ID. You can not drive, you can not work,  nor can you book interstate or international travel. You cannot open a bank account, go fishing or hunting, or buy age controlled products like alcohol, cigarettes, or lottery tickets. You can not go to school, nor can you practice any trade or profession worth a shit. You cant get married, have children, or even die without becoming "john or jane doe #1322233233433234453" in Potters Field. You essentially have no existence without ID.

For Christ's sake - NORMAL people carry ID starting in elementary school with a Student ID or Bus Pass and a library card. By the time you get to HS you add a driver's license and credit card. Then you grow up and get either a College ID / Meal Card or a military ID or your first work ID or occupational license. THen from there the ID's just start piling up.....

Why do people have such a fucking problem with being normal and fitting in. Personally, I regularly go a hell of a lot of places where I need to have an ID badge hanging off of either my collar, pocket, or belt depending on the facility. I accept this as how it should be, and I sincerely hope - no I ammend that to I sincerely PRAY - that if someone walks through there without the ID badge they are pounced on by six burly security guards. Or peerhaps you would like to have people wandering the tarmac of the local airport with no access controls or just moseying around NASA?

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:08:26 PM   
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dammit



why dammit?

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:14:40 PM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		The way I see it is, "Only the guilty need fear."
 
I work, I pay taxes, pay my bills on time. I am a citizen of this country in good standing.
 
It irks me that a part of the fund I PAY into is going to be subverted to some parasite somehwere-who does not. That we have an upcoming generation of elders who did the same,and are now retiring in droves. They deserve the benefits they paid for.
 
 The same illegal parasites are going to take away some of THIER benefits as well-which is going to increase the tax burdens of all other workers who are LEGITIMATE to cover the shortfall. Which these undertable wetbacks-do NOT.
 
 So do I support a national id card to get rid of these *ticks*? I sure as hell DO-it's already gone on for FAR too long.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:17:32 PM   
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The way I see it is, "Only the guilty need fear."


The hundred or so people who've been exonerated after a stint on death row might disagree with you.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:18:26 PM   
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The way I see it is, "Only the guilty need fear."


The hundred or so people who've been exonerated after a stint on death row might disagree with you.


Nice try at a hijack-that is not the issue.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:25:01 PM   
dcnovice


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Status: offline 		I responded directly to the lead sentence of your post--hardly a hijack.

Of course, it's easier deploy the "hijack" red herring than admit that one has said something ill-considered. Admitting a mistake takes real integrity.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:31:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he meant only those guilty of being 'wetbacks' need fear.  The question of course, being who gets to decide who is and isn't guilty.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:34:29 PM   
Leatherist


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But inserting some red herring about people on death row is ludicrous.

And then to try to gaslight me on top of that? Get over yourself.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:40:49 PM   
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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:43:19 PM   
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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 7:45:14 PM   
Alumbrado


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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:11:10 PM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		But seriously, I can see the benefits. Something impossible to forge. Because it's backed up in a database-and any duplication will immediately call up a red flag. "Juan wetback" tries to use the identity of  "Joeseph Smith".......amd the scan does not match the record.
 
 ICE now knows the approximate location of Juan. And the scanner has HIS retina pattern for identification...lovely. We now have a paper trail to the ghost. And he is guilty of an offense for trying. Illegal document. Grounds for deportation.
 
Or perhaps Juan is one of us-fleeing arrest and prosecution? Better yet.  Or an identity rip off artist has someone'es credit card-bleep-we have your attempt on file-and we can use that alone to prosecute-no two retinas are alike. You are BUSTED, asshat.
 
 Want to wire money out of the country? Where is your card? Traffic stop? Let's see it. Don't have one? We better find out who you ARE then.
 
 This would simplify SO much shit that is going on out there. I'll say it again, I'm all for it.
 
 Linked database, good in all fifty states. No escaping it. And I am not fucking around with the law-so why worry? It protects ME from the bastards who ARE.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:20:24 PM   
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Where is your card? Traffic stop? Let's see it. Don't have one? We better find out who you ARE then.
 

Fortunately for some of us, the US Supreme Court sees problems with that approach, which you apparently do not.

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This would simplify SO much shit that is going on out there. 


So would shoot on sight, conviction without a trial, bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and so forth...Simplicity is one of the reasons that such things are popular elsewhere.

The whole purpose of havng a Constitution and legal system such as ours is to make it harder not easier, for the government to take things away from individuals.

As far as the problem of illegal immigration, it has been part of US policy for the better part of a century to turn a blind eye to the source of cheap labor... maybe a better solution would be to fix what is wrong with those policy makers, instead of tossing out the Constitution to make it easier for them?

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:20:59 PM   
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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The police already have the right to stop and ask people for id. Especially those in motor vehicles.
 
 But I agree that policy needs to be changed-which is why I support this concept. And those who want the cheap labor do not. It would scrap thier corrupt system. Forcing a change-whether they supported it or not-and they could be held accountable.
 
 The last thing THEY want is a paper trail pointing back to THEM.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:31:41 PM   
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Your country (as ours) was built on the premise of 'bring your weak, your poor' and now if that is not the case, TEAR down the Statue of Liberty, put up a WALL and close yourselves off.


You forget...these people are ILLEGAL. There are MANY many people here legally that are from other countries. The USA doesn't deny these people. It's those who are here blatantly disregarding the law because they believe in some sort of right that doesn't exist.

Sure there are probably plenty of illegals who are being taken advantage of because of their illegal status. I don't believe that's right, but I also know these people had to have realized this risk when they decided to came here. Then there is the other side. I saw this one family at work (on social assistance) with a brand new (or near new) vehicle and I have to shake my head because I'm here earning a decent wage, paying taxes and doing it all legally and my car is 12 years old. So...this illegal family (maybe the kids are American born, I'm guessing they are) doesn't earn enough to make it without social assistance, yet they have enough to own a nice car? Hmmm...

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have anything remotely resembling a life in the 21st century without literally dozens of forms of ID.


Ain't that the truth.

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Settle down, folks.

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RE: illegal immigrant health care - 7/4/2008 8:41:43 PM   
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The police already have the right to stop and ask people for id. Especially those in motor vehicles.
 
 But I agree that policy needs to be changed-which is why I support this concept. And those who want the cheap labor do not. It would scrap thier corrupt system. Forcing a change-whether they supported it or not-and they could be held accountable.
 
 The last thing THEY want is a paper trail pointing back to THEM.



OK, I just think that such policies will just give those corrupt policy makers more power to abuse, and they will still find a way to keep a source of cheap labor, while turning the loopholes in the Constitution to bad ends.

And we should all know how a slippery slope works....

Papers out of order?  Off to the tomato fields!   Can't prove your great great great great great grandparents had papers?  5 years in the sweatshops!
Anonymous complaints about your pastor?  Re-education is painless!

No thanks.

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