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Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 5:59:15 AM

SheWhoSeeks1

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Does anyone have some suggestions on corporal pr physical punishment techniques for a male submissive that don't leave bruises or marks? So far, I have thought of ice cubes applied to various areas of the body, figging (ginger root), use of a fly swatter with a slight electrical charge, and icy/hot applied to the genital area. Whatever I do, it has to be done quickly and easily as it is part of slave training for domestic service. I can't stop and place the slave in a corner for 15 minutes. He must feel the string so he remembers the lesson learned.

Also, while we are on the subject of marks, does anyone know of a way to whack someone with a cane without leaving a welt or bruise? The after-effects of caning seem to vary widely. Some submissives can take a heavy caning and walk away with few or no bruises while other get welts from a couple of whacks.

Any ideas or suggestions are most welcome.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 6:29:55 AM

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A bastinado type caning will be less likely to leave marks, but be very painful. The stroke is fairly light, the first one, alone, wouldn't even really hurt. A minute of these strokes, at about 3-4 per second, can be devastating. Traditionanally, the soles of the feet would receive this punishment. If you used the feet, any marks would remain quite inconspicous.

Binding into an uncomfortable position would be just as fast and at least as effective as figging or ice. Kneeling on a sharp or irregular surface, seated supported solely by a pipe or thin edge of a board, attached by the head to a point too high to kneel, but too low to stand, standing while sharply bent at the waist, or dozens of others will be excellent attention-getters. You could start a training session with the basic attachment points in place, say cuffs at the wrists, a collar or hood with a loop, a belt, a parachute, and a lead tied to each big toe. It would take a few quick-connects and a couple of seconds to put him in a punishment position, or secure him for corporal punishment. This should help create the near-instant negative reinforcement you desire.

Or you could just order him to put his hands on his head with his legs shoulder-width apart, and slap the testicles a few times.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 7:12:12 AM

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Are you talking about actual punishment for displeasing or disobeying you? Or play time that you just call punishment?

Because I think you'll find that for most submissive/slaves, just knowing you have displeased or disobeyed your dominant can turn any activity into punishment.

There are all sorts of non-physical punishments such as writing lines, no contact, taking away favorite activities - just like parents do with children.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 7:30:33 AM

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Squeezing the the testicles.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 8:11:10 AM

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Sometimes my Master intends to leave marks and bruises on me, so there for punishes with a heavier hand. Most often he doesnt want to leave marks or bruises. He told me once that another Master told him when he punishes, to only swing from the elbow down, not from the shoulder down. That is the key to not leaving marks or bruises. When Master uses something thin to punish with, he only swings from the wrist down, as thinnner objects, such as canes or a wooden spoon handle will leave marks and bruises even swinging from the elbow down.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 10:25:04 AM

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Have you tried looking deep into his eyes and saying "I am very disappointed in your behavior and it questions my judgement of you"?

How people take marks is dependent upon multiple variables.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 10:38:06 AM

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Tell him if the job is not completed to your satisfaction within the time set, without you needing to stand over him with a whip, that he leaves immediately with no play time.

But first; for domestic stuff, are you sure he knows how to do what you're asking? Because all the punishment in the world isn't a substitute for teaching. If he's washing glasses and leaving fingermarks, he may need you to hold the glass up and slowly spin it until he can see the fingerprints. Then he needs to be taught how to get rid of them; ie; holding them above pan of steaming water until fogged with steam, then with one hand draped in a towel to hold the glass, use a different glass cloth to polish.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 10:47:31 AM

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I have always found a mental form of punishment works well...I like blindfolds, cuffs, and leaving her in the dark and alone for periods of time have worked well for Me...there are other mental ways of punishmentas well...if your interested I could send You some of My favorites...best part is that they leave no mark and still get the point across

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 11:16:52 AM

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Not leaving marks? I would guess that it is a client of yours who doesn't want his significant other to know that he is playing?

Not knowing the person and knowing their physiology , some things do not work as well as others on certain individuals. The testicle twisting for instance. Some men find that pleasurable.

Just to name a few. Pulling nose hairs out with pliers. Pinching or clamping the nose and septum. Pinching or clamping ear lobes. Same thing with the tongue. Splinters under the fingernails. "May leave small marks but can be easily explained away". As stated earlier, kneeling on uncooked rice or other small grainy substances. Caning or other stingy impact play with the soles of the feet. Large rubber bands on various portions of the body, that are snapped while the bottom is blindfolded. That hurts like a bitch, especially on the tender areas like the insides of the arms and legs and neck.

Should I keep going on?

CD

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 1:42:42 PM

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A week or 2 of no contact,

writing an essay on what he do wrong , why it was worng and corrective action,

make him think up his own punishment 5 different ones but must be suitable for the sin committed and cannot be a punishemnt he would get pleasure from

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 5:29:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelDesires

Not leaving marks? I would guess that it is a client of yours who doesn't want his significant other to know that he is playing?

Not knowing the person and knowing their physiology , some things do not work as well as others on certain individuals. The testicle twisting for instance. Some men find that pleasurable.

Just to name a few. Pulling nose hairs out with pliers. Pinching or clamping the nose and septum. Pinching or clamping ear lobes. Same thing with the tongue. Splinters under the fingernails. "May leave small marks but can be easily explained away". As stated earlier, kneeling on uncooked rice or other small grainy substances. Caning or other stingy impact play with the soles of the feet. Large rubber bands on various portions of the body, that are snapped while the bottom is blindfolded. That hurts like a bitch, especially on the tender areas like the insides of the arms and legs and neck.

Should I keep going on?

CD

Some good non-marking ideas. I never thought of the rubber band idea. Simple and effective.

But why make such an uncalled-for negative assumption (highlighted above)? Plenty of people have legitimate reasons for not wanting tell-tale bruises. Like swimmers and those who frequent gyms and health/athletic clubs and don't want to broadcast their kinkiness to everyone in the pool or locker room. It could even raise suspicion of domestic abuse.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 5:35:18 PM

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It doesn't fit your time constraints, but one of my favorite "no marks" toys is based on "little ease" in the Tower of London. That was a room three feet square in which prisoners were confined for days. Mine is wooden, but very strong with one side made out of steel pipe bars. Usually, the begging begins in minutes. In less than an hour, we have screams. The cramps are agonizing without a single mark on the body.

It's usually used in a no-safeword situation where the masochist choses the period of confinement. Such overconfident little girls (moderators: that's figurative)... for the first time at least.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 5:46:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

Because I think you'll find that for most submissive/slaves, just knowing you have displeased or disobeyed your dominant can turn any activity into punishment.

I agree. Knowing that I've displeased my Sir is far greater a punishment than anything He could do to me.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 6:13:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: girlygurl

quote:

ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

Because I think you'll find that for most submissive/slaves, just knowing you have displeased or disobeyed your dominant can turn any activity into punishment.

I agree. Knowing that I've displeased my Sir is far greater a punishment than anything He could do to me.

girly

I would disagree with the word "most", unless you define "submissive/slaves" narrowly, to fit only your type. You might be in the majority, but I haven't seen any proof of that. People have very differing feelings on this, with a LOT of people on BOTH sides. Some have internalized their submission to such an extent that the mental aspect is all they need. Others haven't, and need more physical involvement.

Anyway, I think that's all irrelevant. My interpretation of the OP is that she wants to apply physical punishment, and I think she could figure out the obvious: that non-physical punishment won't leave marks.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 6:38:07 PM

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Plenty of people have legitimate reasons for not wanting tell-tale bruises. Like swimmers and those who frequent gyms and health/athletic clubs and don't want to broadcast their kinkiness to everyone in the pool or locker room. It could even raise suspicion of domestic abuse.

I'm sorry to say but it's only likely to cause suspicion about domestic abuse with femsubs. Males just aren't on the radar for domestic abuse detection, even when it genuinely happens. Perpetuates the myth that only males commit domestic violence (and that they are never victim), as well.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 7:34:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SaraZeal

quote:

Plenty of people have legitimate reasons for not wanting tell-tale bruises. Like swimmers and those who frequent gyms and health/athletic clubs and don't want to broadcast their kinkiness to everyone in the pool or locker room. It could even raise suspicion of domestic abuse.

I'm sorry to say but it's only likely to cause suspicion about domestic abuse with femsubs. Males just aren't on the radar for domestic abuse detection, even when it genuinely happens. Perpetuates the myth that only males commit domestic violence (and that they are never victim), as well.

While that's generally true, it has been the topic of a television investigative report (can't remember if it was 60 Minutes or 20/20), so at least it's starting to hit the radar.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 9:48:18 PM

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Front Leaning Rest Possition............. Move Now knock them out till I get tierd.
1,2,3,One 1,2,3,Two 1,2,3,Three 1,2,3 Four etc until they drop on their chest too tierd to do more push ups.

Has the additional benifits of conditioning the body. LOL

Grass drills can give you other ideas for the same concept.

Has worked for drill sergeants for decades. LOL

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 10:46:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelDesires

Not leaving marks? I would guess that it is a client of yours who doesn't want his significant other to know that he is playing?

Not knowing the person and knowing their physiology , some things do not work as well as others on certain individuals. The testicle twisting for instance. Some men find that pleasurable.

Just to name a few. Pulling nose hairs out with pliers. Pinching or clamping the nose and septum. Pinching or clamping ear lobes. Same thing with the tongue. Splinters under the fingernails. "May leave small marks but can be easily explained away". As stated earlier, kneeling on uncooked rice or other small grainy substances. Caning or other stingy impact play with the soles of the feet. Large rubber bands on various portions of the body, that are snapped while the bottom is blindfolded. That hurts like a bitch, especially on the tender areas like the insides of the arms and legs and neck.

Should I keep going on?

CD

Some good non-marking ideas. I never thought of the rubber band idea. Simple and effective.

But why make such an uncalled-for negative assumption (highlighted above)? Plenty of people have legitimate reasons for not wanting tell-tale bruises. Like swimmers and those who frequent gyms and health/athletic clubs and don't want to broadcast their kinkiness to everyone in the pool or locker room. It could even raise suspicion of domestic abuse.

I read her profile and it read to me that she was doing "Pro" work. I see alot of the non marking type play wanted by "Pro's". That is why I asked that question. I wasn't being "snarky" or looking down on her or the sub for it. :-)

CD

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/5/2008 10:49:38 PM

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Make him wear unmatched shoes in public. Different colors even.

It will be just awful.

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RE: Punishment without Bruises or Marks - 7/6/2008 2:26:43 AM

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Oh and if what has been said is true and you are working as a pro then a little extra certification as a personal trainer could make your business grow like gangbusters.
Gives you a whole new market, and allows you to combine services you provide.

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