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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 9:42:09 AM   
LadyRainfire


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Status: offline 		Nope, they went independant back in 1967. Or 1965, Lumus isn't sure, as he says, he wasn't born then.  All the information I've found doesn't make it easier for one country or another to immigrate here though we are talking to the attorney supposedly this week. Just to cover all of our bases and make sure that we're on the safe side since we don't want any mistakes or even a slight chance of me being deported, married or not. 

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 9:47:22 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		Just be thankful you're not moving to Greece, my wife is from there and we thought of moving there after we got married.  Right up to the time I learned every person who wants to live in Greece must join the service for at least 2 years. I was 46 at the time I learned this, needless to say I only vacation there now.

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 11:26:31 AM   
Maya2001


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Status: offline 		No GreedyTop ..Canada is not under british rule. 


I guess will break down costs  to give a realistic view  of what to expect  here in Canada

In Canada we are pay roughly   $1.34. per liter for gas  but  for a newer average base model car will cost us $4,000 more here than in the US.. fully loaded mid siz SUV about $11,000 more than the US selling price...I work in an auto factory so see the differences in prices for vehicles sold here in Canada and those being shipped to the US  ...a vet assistant  here does not earn that much more over minimum wage and vet tech  around $16 per hour does require  a few years of schooling ...  so if you are single and planning to move here by the time you pay rent and food ..the price of gas is not going to be an issue because you can't afford to even own a car even a used junker ...you would need to find and apartment which includes heating because winter heating costs can be extremely high due ot long, cold winters. The summers and the winters here are more extreme than what you are used to in the UK

you would make about $480 a week gross before tax at an income of $12 per hour if your were lucky enough to find an assistant job that paid that high so about $1920 a month  based on a 40 hour week which is about $1248 after taxes about 35% deducted off the paycheck 

Rent about $800 a month for a decent apartment is a safer area with heat and hydro included
telephone, cable tv, internet  $120
groceries/laundry/shampoo/soap and other sundries  sticking to mostly necessities and stretching the dollar maybe minimum $350
which comes to $1275 already and there is no clothes,  bus fare,  entertainment included

Now I work as an autworker getting about $30 per hour which is top wage for unskilled labour but when those jobs become available the intake for application is roughly a week and they will easily take in  120,000 applications  for about  200 openings and mostly the employer will choose someone with a post secondary education at a college or university level with proven good employment history(how I land mine)   or someone who already has auto sector experience  and right now most of the auto sector jobs are declining with 25,000 lost in the last few years across Canada ,  unless you have some kind of skills most jobs available to you will be near minimum wage which is basically non liveable wages for a single person and require government assistance or need to use foodbanks to make ends meet  and without some kind of skills  you will have a hard time getting into Canada because the Canadian government does not wanting to be supporting someone and paying their medical expenses they are able to take in those that do have something to offer.  So unless you can find a job beforehand that offers a decent livable wage without having skilles  your going to have troubles getting into the country.



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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 1:03:51 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Hiyas, I moved from the UK twenty years ago, and altho I miss england a great deal, I love canada too and dont regret it. We came here because my hubby was offered a job(he was a citizen) but is Brit too. My immigration was a complete cock up for a myriad of reasons and took seven years to get it figured out(we didnt start the process until we were here).
Even tho we have ties with the UK it was still a culture shock, and the weather was a big thing too, I love the winters and hate the humidity in the summer.
I agree with Maya, you will need a job to come to, quite a bit of savings and somewhere to live. Plus health insurance(private) until your Health card is approved, I think in ontario it is three months. But that still doesnt cover, dental, glasses, and prescription, those can be covered by your employers health benefits if available.
here are a couple of links that might help
http://www.emigrate2.co.uk/visas_and_advice_detail-28.htm
http://www.international.gc.ca/canada-europa/united_kingdom/menu-en.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp

I wish you luck.....
Best wishes
Lucy

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 1:12:14 PM   
LadyRainfire


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Status: offline 		Lucy, as the newbie Ontarian here, I can tell you that the 3 months only applies after you've been here a while. You have to get everything going first. I was told to expect the health card only after I've filed for permanent resident and then the waiting period begins..... If it's anything different, I'll find out. :) 

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 1:55:05 PM   
chokealone


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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the info. It's greatly appreciated. I don't know where the single thing came from though,lol. I am in a couple, and my other half is an I.T Manager. We've done some maths and he'd be on over $20 an hour.

From what I gather, vet nursing whatever country, is under staffed and underpaid, and is no way funded, which is a great shame. Any job with animals would be great though. My main skill or job title at the mo is customer service, as I've been working in a call center. I understand that Canada does not have that many though? And you would get a better chance of a job in one if you speak french? Some of you say you need to come over with savings, how much do you think?

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 2:13:43 PM   
LadyRainfire


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Status: offline 		First off, the CIC (Citizenship and Immigration) site will give you that info. I mentioned the $10,000 IF you were single because I don't know you personally and was not aware that you have an SO. Since you're a couple, that amount will go up. The CIC page says for 2 people, you must show savings of $13,198 Canadian. Here's the link to the CIC Proof of Funds page.

Secondly, if you are fluent in French, yes, that will help with getting a job. You must be able to pass a test in fluency, which if I remember right includes reading, writing and speaking. Here in southern Ontario, about an hour or so from Toronto, near the Niagara Falls area, there are a number of call centres. If you're both fluent in French, then maybe you would want to look into Quebec. There is something called a Provincial Nominee process and Quebec has it's own program. You can find the info on Quebec-selected Skilled Workers here, on this page. 

Good luck.


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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 2:39:23 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		My daughter works for Rogers Communications and they have I think four call centers around the country, maybe more. The banks used to have call centers, I dont know if they still do. (CIBC, Scotia Bank and RBC)
Colleges and Unis in Ontario have veterinary courses, here are a couple of links
http://www.ovc.uoguelph.ca/
http://www.canadian-universities.net/Universities/Programs/Veterinary_Science.html
http://canadianveterinarians.net/about-career-colleges.aspx
French is a definite bonus here, everything in ontario is bilingualdown to french on your loo roll.

Rain, thanks for the update:) hope you get your stuff sorted out soon.
Best wishes
Lucy



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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 3:07:47 PM   
LadyRainfire


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Status: offline 		Eh, it's all time, Lucy. Weeks for this, months for that, time, time, time.... Yep, I'm right smack dab in the middle of this so know it fairly well. I won't claim to be a professional or give legal advice but I have the current info right at hand and can share my personal experiences.

As for call centres, a lot of the local ones contract work for companies in the States so there's all sorts around. Getting hired is the interesting part!


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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 6:02:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

one thing to consider is that it may be easier for a Brit to emmigrate, since Canada is nominally under British rule, isn't it?


aaaaww No

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 6:09:35 PM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire
When you immigrate, you're not eligible for any public assistance or the health care plan for some time so you have to prove that you won't need financial help.


As someone who became a landed immigrant in December of last year, that is not accurate.  I was eligible for public health care the moment I was processed by the border patrol.  I didn't apply for my health care card for several months and they back dated my coverage from the date I crossed the border.

The difference may be that I did not come into the country to live until I was legally granted the right to become a resident.  Moving here without being legally authorized to live/work and then applying for permanent residency presents significant complications and we know of someone who has been waiting for more than three years to be approved and is still waiting. 

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 6:18:32 PM   
kyraofMists


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Status: offline 		Getting a work visa from Canada is not easy.  You have to be a skilled in an area that is in significant demand in Canada.  Then once you find a company who will hire you, they have to petition to the government and explain why they cannot get a Canadian to do the job.  As my immigration lawyer told me, it is unlikely to enter Canada that way.

If you are not a refugee or incredibly wealthy, it is a long, tedious task to immigrate to Canada.  Most likely you would have to file under Skilled-Worker status and there is a minimum score that you have to meet before they will even consider granting you residency.  Here is a link to a self-assessment test that will let you know if you even qualify.

For me, it took several months to gather all the paperwork and then once they received it, it took another year to be approved.  My file was rather simple.  I am single, never been married, have no children, healthy and I was financially able to meet all their requirements. 

It is not a quick fix for financial struggles in your own country.

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 6:42:28 PM   
Moloch


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Status: offline 		Good for you!  Candada is a good country with nice people, I live right on the border in NY travel there once in a while.

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 6:47:18 PM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire

Nope, they went independant back in 1967. Or 1965, Lumus isn't sure, as he says, he wasn't born then.


In 1867 the British Parliment passed the British North America Act and united the Canadian provinces into the dominion of Canada.  The Canada Act of 1982 severed the last legal ties with Britain and Canada became their own soverign state.

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 7:28:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		thx Kyra... 

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RE: emigration - 7/7/2008 9:07:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of good advice and warnings here, so I won't waste time repeating what has already been said, except to point out that the discrepancy between the time it takes to get one's health card may be due to the different regulations in each province, as the health plans are provincial plans, not federal.
One other thing I would warn any prospective immigrant to Canada...the winters are COLD!! except in Nova Scotia and British Columbia...they can be downright brutal everywhere else.

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RE: emigration - 7/8/2008 1:16:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again for posts. For those which seem a bit negative. a) Were not moving just because our economy is poor, we have both dreamed of moving since a small age. and b) we both intend on doing a working holiday and then trying to get citizenship at a later stage. Were not scroungers, we love to work, and feel that we would be better valued in Canada. I'm not talking about the skills gap, I'm talking about the spirit of the people. Have you read anything about Britain in the last 10yrs? It's rolling downhill and isn't stopping, and I for one am middle class, and do not want to bow down to the chav's any longer.


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RE: emigration - 7/8/2008 1:36:39 AM   
PainSmith


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Status: offline 		I'm having great fun taking advantage of my EU passport and working in various EU countries. It's wonderful to get away from the Daily Mail! I'd strongly recommend anyone to work in other countries, especially if you can pick up some more languages. The old cliché, travel broadens the mind, seems to be true for me.

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RE: emigration - 7/8/2008 1:45:44 AM   
heartcream


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Status: offline 		I was born here in Canada and lived away for ages. I had to wait 6 months before getting a health card because of proof of residency stuff.

Dang all this border stuff is a bore! In my opinion, folks ought to go where they need to without all the drama, expense and stress of trying to move countries. I mean it, I would love to see that whole business disappear and folks can go live where they want to, where they need to be.

I personally have come to loathe crossing borders because of all the interrogative crap in the way.




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RE: emigration - 7/8/2008 3:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		My guess is that if you are leaving the UK because of personal dissatisfaction then you will, in time, become dissatisfied wherever you go.
I took the entry to Canada test and scored 58. Too old, no job and not adaptable lol

I believe it gets very cold in Canada too, so you can stick that !

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