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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:10:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		As I said, I am not responsible for them.  So yes, total non responsibility here.  Which I admit to.
I never get the whole 'everyone is responsible for the children' that is forced onto everyone.  Now that to me, is totally worse than a person wearing a collar and leash.
 
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:13:17 AM   
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We have done it both in private and in public.  I still maintain, it is not the action that is the issue but the way one presents it.

 
Yes but by the very word 'presented' you are saying it was open for all to see. Even if discreet there is a chance some will have observed the behaviour.
Is spanking in public appropriate? And im not talkin one tap on the bum.
Is passing food from one mouth to another appropriate? For me its bad table manners if nothing else.
Is wearing a collar and leash in public appropriate?
 
The answer to all these for me is no.
For you it is yes.
Its make it muddy water for what is and isnt approriate.



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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:15:49 AM   
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My real question in all this lot though was 'is there a line somewhere between what is appropriate and what is not?
Is there a line between offensive and non - offensive?
If so is it clear or is it muddy water?
Is it really a question of if it is legal its ok?


To me, you can show people the world and everything in it and the atrocities that it contains, the perversions and the sounds - I can close my eyes - but the minute you force someone to do what you do.  Then you cross that line.
 
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:16:25 AM   
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As I said, I am not responsible for them.  So yes, total non responsibility here.  Which I admit to.
I never get the whole 'everyone is responsible for the children' that is forced onto everyone.  Now that to me, is totally worse than a person wearing a collar and leash.
 
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I'm sorry but when my um was younger i used to take her to restaurants. I do not believe that she should have been subjected to foul mouths anymore than people should have been subject to her running amock. If she created in said restaurant i removed her. I took responsibility for her actions. Why should i have had to remove her because someone being foul mouthed could not have shown a little respect for the fact a UM was there?

You claim to be responsible for yourself but cannot imagine being responsible for the consequences of your actions?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:17:33 AM   
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A gay couple should not have to stop holding hands simply because they are walking past a church in fear of offending the people attending said church.

I completely agree. It would certainly offend some people but in my opinion that kind of behaviour is appropriate.
 
My real question in all this lot though was 'is there a line somewhere between what is appropriate and what is not?
Is there a line between offensive and non - offensive?
If so is it clear or is it muddy water?
Is it really a question of if it is legal its ok?





That's just it.  In your and my opinion, that gay couple is doing nothing wrong.  But, to some of those in that church, they are commiting an atrocious sin.  If everyone has to worry about offending someone then nobody could go out in public.

The only line between offensive and non-offensive is the line one draws for themselves.   Most people will have some commonality but even best of friends will tend to have some differing levels of what is acceptable.  Since I do not have the ability to draw the line for anyone else, I can only draw it for myself, and deal with whatever scenario presented based upon my own line.  I will not worry about others line as they do not worry about mine.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:18:42 AM   
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:20:07 AM   
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My real question in all this lot though was 'is there a line somewhere between what is appropriate and what is not?
Is there a line between offensive and non - offensive?
If so is it clear or is it muddy water?
Is it really a question of if it is legal its ok?


To me, you can show people the world and everything in it and the atrocities that it contains, the perversions and the sounds - I can close my eyes - but the minute you force someone to do what you do.  Then you cross that line.
 
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Ok so someone forcing you not to swear crosses the line. How about when you force your 'foul mouth' on others?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:22:17 AM   
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You claim to be responsible for yourself but cannot imagine being responsible for the consequences of your actions?


For that which affects me and those I am responsible for, that is all the responsibility I have.  To anyone.
You are speaking of forcing acts onto others.  Responsibility is an act.  Yet what makes that ok but not the leash which is visual, not actual?
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:23:17 AM   
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The only line between offensive and non-offensive is the line one draws for themselves.   Most people will have some commonality but even best of friends will tend to have some differing levels of what is acceptable.  Since I do not have the ability to draw the line for anyone else, I can only draw it for myself, and deal with whatever scenario presented based upon my own line.  I will not worry about others line as they do not worry about mine.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:25:29 AM   
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Ok so someone forcing you not to swear crosses the line. How about when you force your 'foul mouth' on others?


Holding your hand over my mouth, physical, crosses the line.
Going into an establishment where I am not allowed to swear - I can leave or follow the rules.
 
Thats the difference.
 
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:26:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		She wouldn't be forcing them to swear.  She would be exposing them to something they might not like.  They have the option to remain ther and ignore it, or leave, or tell her that they think her foul words are rude.  She has the option to tell them F You.

Edited to add:  The person's listening to her foul mouth at a restaurant also have the option of complaining to the management.  If management finds it offensive, they will ask her to leave so the others may continue to enjoy their meal.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:28:33 AM   
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The only line between offensive and non-offensive is the line one draws for themselves.   Most people will have some commonality but even best of friends will tend to have some differing levels of what is acceptable.  Since I do not have the ability to draw the line for anyone else, I can only draw it for myself, and deal with whatever scenario presented based upon my own line.  I will not worry about others line as they do not worry about mine.

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I guess that's the bottom line.  One has to draw their own lines ... but will also deal with consequences.  Some, perhaps dark, would not acknowledge those consequences.  Someone like myself would not wish to show, say, the group at the pool club, how well I can curse, so that when I am among them, I do not let the words fly.  At a recent swim meet, attended by probably 300 or more people, one of the mothers lost her temper and said 'fuck' a few times, quite loudly.  It definitely colored people's opinion of her, especially when she let it fly after a coach asked her to calm down. 

Actions cause consequences, and I do care about other people's opinion of me, which colors how I behave.  I don't see that as a flaw, merely fitting in with my family and community.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:29:19 AM   
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You claim to be responsible for yourself but cannot imagine being responsible for the consequences of your actions?


For that which affects me and those I am responsible for, that is all the responsibility I have.  To anyone.
You are speaking of forcing acts onto others.  Responsibility is an act.  Yet what makes that ok but not the leash which is visual, not actual?
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Well i personally believe we have a social responsibility too. I'm not speaking of forcing anyone to do anything. I'm merely asking where and if there is a line between offensive and inoffensive.
I would not demand you dont wear a leash in public if out with you i would simply not go with you if you were.
I would not demand you didnt swear in front of my children. I would simply not be around you with them if you were going to.
Those would be my choices. However a family just out in a restaurant you are in have not been given that choice. Yes they can choose to leave, but why should they have to leave? Why should you stop swearing? It becomes a bit of a stale mate and a respect issue for me.
I repsect others enough to behave socially appropriately when out and about within my capabilities.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:32:11 AM   
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She wouldn't be forcing them to swear.  She would be exposing them to something they might not like.  They have the option to remain their and ignore it, or leave, or tell her that they think her foul words are rude.  She has the option to tell them F You.

I never said Dark would be forcing them to swear.
Why should they have to leave because Dark has no respect for other people and cannot show good manners?
Why shouldnt Dark leave?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:34:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly, I don't see why it matters if it offends someone if he slapped her not.

What does matter is that it's completely lacking in class though. He should feel bad about the fact that he can't control himself, not that he may have potentially offended someone.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:35:08 AM   
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She would only have to leave if management found her to be offensive.  Otherwise it becomes the responsibility of those who are offended to take themselves to a place where they are not offended.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:36:08 AM   
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You are speaking of forcing acts onto others. 

 
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Holding your hand over my mouth, physical, crosses the line

 
Show me anywhere where i have actually suggested this?
Show me where i have spoken of forcing someone physically to do anything?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:38:14 AM   
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Refer to my edit.

She would only have to leave if management found her to be offensive.  Otherwise it becomes the responsibility of those who are offended to take themselves to a place where they are not offended.


We will have to agree to disagree.
Although i should have let my um just run amok and say ' if you dont like it go elsewhere'.

A fine state we would live in though if we all just did what we wanted when we wanted and had no regard what so ever for others.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:39:53 AM   
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i don't think it's anyone else's business if you wear a collar in public, or if your master sends you away from the table for five minutes because he doesn't like your behavior.

but face slapping in a restaurant goes way over the line for me (as much as i love face slapping).  you are forcing the hand of everyone in the restaurant who innocently came in to have a meal, relax, and enjoy themselves.  at the very least, you have ruined their dinner, fretting as to whether or not he is going to beat you silly or kill you later.  at the worst, you are causing people to take action against (as it was stated above) a public battery. 


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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:41:21 AM   
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