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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 9:08:59 PM

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Yes. I do because some people hate gay and lesbian people, no matter if they're out or not. My mom doesn' believe gays should have the right to marry, and she don't believe that gays should get benifits of being married, and it has nothing to do with any one flaunting their gayness around her. She's been raised to think being gay is nasty and wrong and shouldn't be allowed. And that's just the way it is. She's not going to understand it or like it any better or accept it any more by seeing people who're gay together. Infact seeing it makes her make rude comments *like oh how disgusting and eww and faggots.

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the gay and lesbian community did not force their views on the heterosexual community, do you honestly believe that we would be putting measures on ballots to determine if gay marriages should be legal? Sometimes, people need to see things they don't like so they can begin to understand them.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:15:16 PM

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Misst - for one, please do not take my words out of context. You simply prove my sons point by doing what you just did.
Both these sentances are based on different posts, and are not related.

Sorry but they appeared to be related to me.

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The first sentance was about your insistance that I am responsible for anothers child.

Please, i never said you were responsible for anothers child. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions whatever they may be. The swearing and children was used as an example.

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I am not responsible for what a child does after they hear me swear - that is their parents responsibility.

Ah right. Ok so i'll teach your children behaviour you find unnacceptable and then just leave you to deal with the consequences shall i?

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As my boy said - words are just words and any word can be used against another to try and make it look bad.

I totally agree. However i think there are some words small children shouldnt have to hear.

The part I highlighted in red is where I think we disagree. If someone behaves in a manner I deem inappropriate or offensive, they are not actually teaching my child anything. I am. After such an occurence it is my responsibility to impart my views on my child and let them know why such things are inapproprate.

The only people who teach my child are those I deem worthy. While children may be exposed to things we do not like for them to be exposed to, we, their parents (caregivers, teachers, etc) are the ones who teach them how to handle what they were exposed to, not those doing the exposure.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 10:23:04 PM

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In that instance I was speaking on a larger scale than the individual. Yes, there will always be plenty of individuals who hate people based upon race/religion/sexual orientation/whatever.

However, because of the presence and outness of the gay and lesbian folks many more heterosexuals have become tolerant. If gay and lesbians had not made a fuss over it, no one would automatically give them the right to do anything but be heterosexual. At least now, enough heterosexuals support gay and lesbians and believe they have equal rights and that is a big improvement over how they were treated years ago. It will continue to improve if they continue to remain out - eventually it will become no big deal. There is still a lot of work and room for improvement on how others view gay and lesbians, I'm not suggesting things are perfect, if they were, their right to be married wouldn't be a ballot issue, it simply wouldn't be an issue.

Do you think we would have freed slaves (the non consensual kind) if they didn't stand up for their freedom?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/8/2008 11:26:07 PM

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If a parent really wanted to censor a child, they would do it. I should know, I was taken to school and picked up immediately after class EVERY DAY of my life until I FINALLY went away to college.
If the child was intent on learning about it, they will. I'm living proof.

I am 20, and when I am home my father still tries to cover my eyes during kissing scenes on TV.

However, I am a very inquisitive, willful person. I began having sex when I was 16, and I'm here browsing these forums.

Personally, I believe that anything outside of the house should be moderate. As much as I believe I am a tolerant, understanding person... I think some behaviors may not be the best. My biggest concern was the physical punishment. [Corner time, collars] What if a little boy witnessed a slap to the face [between a M/s], and believed that was alright ? He goes home, and slaps his baby sister in the face. Yes, the parent should say something, but what if the parent doesn't see this ? It could go on/be much worse...

It's a pretty undisputed fact that children often imitate bad behavior more than good behavior. Yes, every parent is responsible for their child, but sometimes children do not listen to their parents anyway. Why make it harder by doing things that could be considered wrong ? [ What I mean is, a slap to the face in a M/s situation makes sense to me, but outside of that context it is not okay! ]

To the person who mentioned the gay rights thing... you have to know that is very different. Yes, two gay people kissing may OFFEND... but it does NOT set a "bad example." They had every right to "shove it in people's faces"... they are trying to let gay marriages be okay.
On the other hand, slapping someone in public is completely different, unless, of course, you are advocating that it's okay for anyone to slap anyone else. In that case, forget everything I wrote.

The ONLY reason why I have a problem with the leash is the fear that some little kid will try it, and end up strangling someone else/themselves in the process. I am very young [like I mentioned before, 20], but I have been working with young children [6 and under] since I was 12. I understand their behavior... even children whose parents are very responsible experiment themselves. Children imitate things. Children imitate memorable things. It's not a matter of how good a parent it, the problem is that young children inherently&naturally do things that they don't fully understand, thus hurting themselves in the process. *EDIT: &children DO NOT ALWAYS ASK PARENTS. In fact, many children DO NOT ask parents/teachers about something... they go ahead and try it first! I know this !

For that reason, I would advise against doing anything risky in public, simply because you have no idea what consequences could follow.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 2:41:23 AM

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You bring up valid points, however, as you said yourself, if a child is intent on learning something - they will. Many parents use computers and television as babysitters, and children have been exposed to gun fire, kidnapping, torture, and other things I don't necessarily deem appropriate. These kids are smart, most will not go around kidnapping, torturing, or shooting others. The ones who decide to do these things, I cannot help them, it is up to their parents to be aware of their child's need for help.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 2:51:37 AM

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Sorry but they appeared to be related to me.

If they were on the same post, with the same quotes, they would have been related. They were not.
I do thank you for your apology.
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Please, i never said you were responsible for anothers child. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions whatever they may be. The swearing and children was used as an example.

I will totally accept my responsibility for my actions. But if my son watches a person do a martial art or magic trick in front of him on the street when we are walking up towards the London eye, which has happened, and he tries to do the move or the trick and copy, then it's not the magicians/experts responsibility to teach or inform him on why and how things are done responsibly for themselves. That, as a parent, is MY job. Not anyone elses.
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Ah right. Ok so i'll teach your children behaviour you find unnacceptable and then just leave you to deal with the consequences shall i?

Teach them? - no. You merely give them a taste of a possibility. You give an example. Swearing is nothing more than an act. The teaching comes after the act. Leave me to deal with the consequences? and teach in the process? - Yes. Absolutely. That is called parenting and I brought others into this world knowing that, accepting that and realising I cannot and should not expect anyones behaviour to change around them because that would create children a false world. A hidden world and one that when they hit their teens and adulthood - suddenly find doesn't exist.
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I totally agree. However i think there are some words small children shouldnt have to hear.

And I am totally cool with that. But for me, I feel words are precious and all should be heard and the consequences given, as well as the meanings so that they can determine their own life path - not simply follow me or Darcy or their father and you know what I have? Two of the most grounded, smart, polite, top of their class, non conforming children who are full of enthusiasm for life, who love, who forgive, who understand, who protect others, who stick to their own ethics - whos ethics are an incredibly high standard compared to their peers - who aren't people pleasers for the sake of being so - and that doesn't come from me, that comes from every friend, teacher, policeman/authority figure and person whom they have ever met.

And I do apologise to the mods if I have crossed a line with mentioning minors, but I totally believe you can teach children from a very young age the REALITIES of life without taking away their childhood and setting them up for a fall in later life.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 3:02:30 AM

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For that reason, I would advise against doing anything risky in public, simply because you have no idea what consequences could follow.

Greetings QP and welcome to the forums.

I snipped most of your post, because I feel that the last sentance is basically it wrapped up in a nutshell. I apologise if this is incorrect.
But I am going to focus on this.

Let there be no trees. Let there be no street artists. Nor cars and bicycles - skateboards and music. Let there be no television, no magic, no more Enid Blyton or Prince Caspian. Let us remove religon and politics. Because if we as a people stopped doing everything that carried some sort of risk, then we may as well all die now, just because.
The most dangerous notion a person can have? That there are actions that contain no risk or consequence whatsoever.
Evolution involved risk. You cannot grow without it.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 4:52:55 AM

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On the original OP I can see how that would easily cause offense, it is not legal to strike a person in the face while in a public place surrounded by people no matter the dynamic they hold. I think anyone doing so without thinking about it needs to back off and consider their own impulse behavior problems.

To the.dark. You honestly have no problem saying words like 'fucking, cunt, bitch' or what have you, in front of a strangers child?

That... would cause me great offense if I were in hearing range on behalf of the one that has no need to be hearing those words.

Much in this thread appalled me.

I find it offensive to have someone use a cellphone while dealing with cashiers, wait staff or anyone else trying to perform customer service.

A lot of that I find offensive is also something I consider to be attention seeking behavior and most of it is seen by me to be done by those in their teen years. So I give them a small amount of leeway, I consider it to be a form of growing pains. Pushing the boundaries as they try to attain adulthood and what they see as freedom.

When a fully grown adult behaves that way I see it as immaturity and as I said, attention seeking behavior.

Funny how some here are also the same folks that insist on the idea of 'not forcing their kink on others'.
Maybe they aren't forcing 'kink' but they are forcing boorish behavior and for a reason I simply don't understand.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something in public.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:19:19 AM

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To the.dark. You honestly have no problem saying words like 'fucking, cunt, bitch' or what have you, in front of a strangers child?

That... would cause me great offense if I were in hearing range on behalf of the one that has no need to be hearing those words.

Extreme examples are used as shock value and to make a statement, camille. But I am willing to respond, regardless. But remember, swearwords are not just 'f, c and b'.
I speak how I speak when I wish unless it is prohibited within the place I am and I have chosen to accept that conduct of behaviour. What words I choose to speak depends on the moment and the context.
Personally, I do not use the word 'cunt' as all. But that is not because it offends others or because of it's meaning.
It just simply isn't a word that would come up.
Fuck? Bitch? Again it depends on the context and the reason. For example, I do not find the word 'bitch' to be a swear word because I do not use it in that way.
As for fuck, sure I use it and I have no issue of using it in front of anyone depending on the context. I don't have issues with what you feel is acceptable or boorish. I find it abhorrant that people do not look past words but I am sure many people pride themselves on their name calling ethics to try and run down those who do not agree with them.
But words mean different things. I have had to explain to my children why an american friend of ours used the word 'fanny'. It is never as simple as what you say.
And for the record, which many people should by now know. I do not believe in the fallacy of consent. I am not one of those people who advocate 'not forcing kink onto others' and never have been.
I do not advocate forcing someone to do what I do or believe - be that a religon, or a food, or a dress. I do find it inhuman to lead a child around on a reign. I do believe women should be allowed to breatfeed in public. I do advocate the freedom to be oneself, regardless of how 'boorish' one may be to another - how rude or how strange something may be as long as that person has the right to respond with the equal right to complain or remove themselves.

What it comes down to is - who should 'leave' - and what you personally allow you infect your own life.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:24:07 AM

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you continue to amaze me. So very nicely said.

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I am surprised that what started out as an actually good topic has turned into one of 'politcal correctness". Such a shame.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:32:08 AM

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If gay and lesbians had not made a fuss over it, no one would automatically give them the right to do anything but be heterosexual.

I agree......coning out is a grey area for some but not In No Person's Land between the sexual oreientation trenches it ain't.
And if there had never been any peace marches or protesters?
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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:34:52 AM

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<snipped for the salient points>

I speak how I speak when I wish unless it is prohibited within the place I am and I have chosen to accept that conduct of behaviour. What words I choose to speak depends on the moment and the context.

As for fuck, sure I use it and I have no issue of using it in front of anyone depending on the context. I don't have issues with what you feel is acceptable or boorish. I find it abhorrant that people do not look past words but I am sure many people pride themselves on their name calling ethics to try and run down those who do not agree with them.

It is never as simple as what you say.

And for the record, which many people should by now know. I do not believe in the fallacy of consent. I am not one of those people who advocate 'not forcing kink onto others' and never have been.

I do not advocate forcing someone to do what I do or believe - be that a religon, or a food, or a dress.

I do advocate the freedom to be oneself, regardless of how 'boorish' one may be to another - how rude or how strange something may be as long as that person has the right to respond with the equal right to complain or remove themselves.

What it comes down to is - who should 'leave' - and what you personally allow you infect your own life.

the.dark.

the.dark I admit that this surprises me.

On leads used on kids, my sister had one wayyyyy back in about 1965 because as a toddler she would take off and my mother had several other kids to keep at her side at once. So I am neutral on those because I understand that a passel of kidlets can be harder than a pack of puppies.

On feeling that you have the right to say whatever you feel like no matter the audience well, that does bother me. You say that it is your own personal freedom and that you decide upon the context. Obviously that is how you have chosen to conduct yourself no matter the cost to anyone else. That strikes me as utterly selfish and self centered but you did say earlier that you are totally fine with being selfish.

That means there really is nothing I can say that will have any type of impact on you. I realized that as I reached this point in my post but I am still going to post it since I put the effort into it lol.

Yes I personally abide by most social constraints especially when I am out in public with people I don't know around me.

I also see people that refuse to act with personal restraint and a forced oblivion towards others as truly selfish. Not selfish in assuring that they find the life that they want but selfish in that they simply don't give a damn about reprecussions they may cause in others because it doesn't effect them.

If I am reading you wrong then I do apologize, and I really do hope that I am reading you wrong.
It can be difficult to truly understand another persons written opinion on a message board especially when a (my) coffee maker is being uncooperative and dumping grounds into the pot.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:38:13 AM

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Where is the line? I see this as being a very simple answer - it's all to do with the basic human right, freedom of personal expression. If you understand that both rights and freedom carry a responsibility to accept the consequences whatever they may be, I would further draw the line as being up to but not including the infringement of someone else's right of freedom of personal expression.

I'm a transgendered female. Female is my gender, transgendered is merely a label indicating that there are issues which I'm dealing with. That label is one word, and IMHO that one word should suffice in any and every situation. I don't use stealth, but I don't advertise the fact either. It's a statement of fact, nothing more. No need to even make a point or issue about it, becausse there's no shortage of people prepared to do so without my intervention.

Yesterday afternoon around 3.40pm finds me standing at a bus stop in Clapham, not far from where I live. Schools are emptying of children. Teenagers at the bus stop, about ten of them. One of them notices, within a couple of minutes there's comments of 'batty man', 'faggot', laughter, shrieks, photos of me taken on mobile phones. There's another six or seven adults stood at the bus stop. Nobody says anything. I play it cool, I ignore the youths, it's them making a spectacle of themselves not me.

This happens every so often. I live with the reality that my life involves restrictions imposed on me by other people. I quit shopping on a Saturday for a while because some time back I was in a branch of a High Street drug store chain with a friend and we were asked to leave because I 'might upset other customers'. I got offended and as a result was escorted out of the store by a security guard and told not to come back. I choose my battles wisely. I'm in a supermarket on a Saturday standing in line and I'm hearing comments such as 'that's a man', 'eww disgusting', and so I turn round to everyone, pointing to the women and start asking loudly,'These women think I'm a man, but I'm actually a transgendered female coping with gender reassignment just trying to do my shopping in peace. What do you think?' This caused the women to abandon their laden trolleys and walk out of the supermarket.

It's been an issue a few times in the pub where I run my theatre. I'm at the bar buying a drink and this man, a 'regular' comes up to me.

Him: 'What are you? A man or a woman?'
Me: 'I'm a transgendered female.'
Him- 'So what? You got a dick then?'
Me (looking him up and down) 'Unfortunately yes, but from what I can see it's probably bigger than your's.'

Usually when I get such situations I turn to the people and say 'And...?', 'Your point is...?' This usually shuts them up.

I guess this takes in the gay/lesbian issue. But both gays and lesbians together with many of the people in the BDSM community have the freedom that someone like me doesn't have. They have the choice over what they disclose and reveal to others. I don't. The way I see it I'm not here to change society or teach people, this isn't why I'm doing my gender reassignment, I'm just dealing with my own issues, correcting them, I just want to be left alone to live my life with the same freedom and comfort as everyone else and to be regarded and treated as the person I really am. That's all I ask, nothing more, nothing less.

This used to make me angry, I've spent a bit of time being resentful towards others until I realised I was being just as stupid as these people. You see I got the most important part of any woman and I was born with it - a brain. The woman who was in the supermarket making comments about me being a man was wearing a wig, which if she took off she'd have looked pretty much like a 350lb version of Mike Tyson in a dress. How did I know that the bloke in the pub wasn't wearing his wife's dirty knickers and tights under his trousers? I've learned to chill simply because I've realised that the vast majority of those who get offended by me or feel they have the right to offend me are mainly people struggling to cope with being one gender, let alone starting afresh with a second one (the right one).

Besides, I live in London, which is considered a world city. People come here from all over the world, and some of them just have to be village idiots. It's very easy to make assumptions and jump to conclusions and a little harder to look a little closer and try to understand the reason and motivation for what you see or come across. You can drink lots of alcohol, stuff your face with food, smoke like a chimney, but there's probably nothing more stressful and likely to give you a heart attack than getting all emotional and upset over dealing with idiots.

Gnereally speaking there's two classifications people can be divided into fairly neatly - those being themselves and those struggling with the concept of 'normal'. Throw in a bit of common sense and it will lead you back to what I feel is the defining line - not infringing on the right of freedom of personal self-expression.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:38:49 AM

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To the.dark. You honestly have no problem saying words like 'fucking, cunt, bitch' or what have you, in front of a strangers child?

Seriously how can a WORD be a taboo? i say fuck stupid cunt and bastard in front of my kids. i also tell them that at school and in other people's homes it is considered a taboo.
i also let them drink alcohol with food and have done so since they were reasonably young. i have an eldest son who is 26 who does not drink to get drunk and doesn't smoke, i have a 16 year old son who does not drink or smoke or take drugs, and i have a daughter who does not drink to get drunk or smoke. That's pretty good going i believe. i also give them condoms...(not the 26 year old he can buy his own lol).
So what i am doing i believe is teaching them WHAT OTHERS FIND OFFENSIVE with a process which does not negate, stop or inhibit their behaviours.
The most damaging thing a child can exeprience is hypocrisy on a behavioural level. (IMHO)
A school friend of my daughter's recently confided in me that she was pregnant (14 years old). Her mother (who drinks heavily and calls it social) is English. her father is Asian. Mother found our father had three other wives from the daughter. So the daughter went wild because there were mixed mixed messages coming from home. She said, and she was serious, that she would be sent home to grandmother in India if anyone found out. i advised on what was available with regard to abortion clinics and support.
In the lght of her courage to tell me she later told her own mother.
This is not about me being a mother it's about what causes offence. And i believe that hypocrisy (mixed messaging) does in any form. i swear and am a pervert and i do announce that. it doesn't mean i have to act out the percersion inappropriately.
A school teacher wearing make-up whilst telling my child NOT TO wear it at school? the said teacher telling me what to do about it.?Now that is hypocrisy and i call it offensive whichever way you try to square the circle.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:39:23 AM

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the.dark

you continue to amaze me. So very nicely said.

edited to add:

I am surprised that what started out as an actually good topic has turned into one of 'politcal correctness". Such a shame.

I guess that is my entire problem then? That I am unable to see swearing in front of small ones as something that falls into the dreaded camp of PC?

If I changed the line of this thread then my apologies to the OP. I didn't post in here until page 7 or so but it felt to me that it was already in the place it is at and not due to my words.

I did post about the original issue in the OP, concerning slapping the face of a woman in public.

Now, I will leave this thread because it bothers me intensely and I would rather remain ignorant and I suppose this will be taken that I also wish to live PC.
The latter is not true but I don't have the energy to try and explain my view today. I'm not so sure I have the inclination either now that I have been labeled as PC urgent.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:43:44 AM

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Well...Camille...to get so upset over what I said...especially considering the fact that the comment was not aimed at a single person...must have hit a nerve.

Take your leave and go off and sulk; personally, I always thought better of you than that; thought you had a bit of steel in your backbone; but then, I have been known to be wrong about a person before and I am sure that this will not be the last time.

Enjoy your pedastal.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:45:43 AM

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Now, I will leave this thread because it bothers me intensely and I would rather remain ignorant and I suppose this will be taken that I also wish to live PC.
The latter is not true but I don't have the energy to try and explain my view today. I'm not so sure I have the inclination either now that I have been labeled as PC urgent.

Camille, I was going to you (above) thread which was addressed to me but you have also posted this. I am totally happy discussing with you further, but if you are leaving the thread, then nothing I post will make much sense as I would be addressing you. If you decide to stay and state so, I will respond to the above questions and statements you made. But if you are not going to participate further, then addressing your specific points would be pointless.
Be safe.

the.dark.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 5:54:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Well...Camille...to get so upset over what I said...especially considering the fact that the comment was not aimed at a single person...must have hit a nerve.

Take your leave and go off and sulk; personally, I always thought better of you than that; thought you had a bit of steel in your backbone; but then, I have been known to be wrong about a person before and I am sure that this will not be the last time.

Enjoy your pedastal.

For petes sake IM.
I am leaving because this frustrates me and I seem unable to get my meaning across. I am at cross purposes and I hate that feeling.
I am also leaving because I have stuff to do away from the computer.

Nice little insult there btw, that I haven't backbone.
I responded to your words because I did not want to be pushing this thread in the wrong direction, that is all. I was apologizing for hijacking.
If you want to see that as being without a backbone then what can I say?

the.dark , I really do have to go. Flooring is being re-installed in my house and I have to shower before this place is full of strange guys. Creeps me out to shower with strangers in my house.
I really do feel that we are at cross purposes and I don't want to deal with that frustration today.
I totally get that you feel the opposite of me on this subject so really.. I don't get the point of each trying to hammer ideas/views into each other.

ETA this thread also resulted in my getting really nasty mail and it hurts my feelings.
Okay?
Why the hell should I stay and continue to receive that kind of mail, for the first time since I've been at CM?

So yeah I am leaving with attitude but not the attitude IM seems to think it is. I am defeated, in case that pleases my secret writer. You defeated me in this thread yes, but I also know it is only a forum as so many have tried to tell me before.

I am a gentle person who takes great care in dealing with others, I try my utmost not to hurt or offend but apparently I did. Or I wouldn't have gotten that letter and damn it does hurt me. I guess that was the point? That I am too **** whatever****?

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 6:03:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: camille65
the.dark , I really do have to go. Flooring is being re-installed in my house and I have to shower before this place is full of strange guys. Creeps me out to shower with strangers in my house.
I really do feel that we are at cross purposes and I don't want to deal with that frustration today.
I totally get that you feel the opposite of me on this subject so really.. I don't get the point of each trying to hammer ideas/views into each other.

I guess I shouldn't mention Norman Bates then?
As for hammering, its a shame you feel that is all it would be. I'm not trying to convince anyone of my convictions or make anyone believe the way I do. I simply give over my own experience and thought process, as do you.

the.dark.

P.S After posting the above, I have seen camille has been subjected to hate mail. Whilst I do not always agree with camille, she does have the right to state her objections, no matter what. I totally believe she is within her rights to do such and I would defend her ability to do so, just as much as I defend my right to speak as I wish. You do not defeat someone by running them away. You only weaken your own cause and lessen the ability for people to be themselves.

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RE: Causing offense. - 7/9/2008 6:15:44 AM

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Agreed.

After hearing of the hate mail she received, I felt things had shifted in a nasty fashion. While people were sharing different opinions in this thread, it seemed to maintain some manner of respect for the others views.

How is sending hate mail to someone who one may think is intolerant any more tolerant?

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