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FangsNfeet -> Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/11/2005 10:50:17 PM)

Is it seeing two homosexuals having a wedding that the majority fears or just the fact they don't want to put up with hearing about any of there divorces?



DesertRat -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/11/2005 11:07:17 PM)

I think many people fear what is unfamiliar to them. Things they don't understand. Then there are those who are probably not afraid themselves, but will play on the insecurities of others to gain or keep power. You know...the ones who are always promising to preserve the sanctity of the family.

Bob



girl4you2 -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/11/2005 11:18:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Is it seeing two homosexuals having a wedding that the majority fears or just the fact they don't want to put up with hearing about any of there divorces?
i can only speak for me, but i don't fear gay marriage. if two consenting adults wish to do this, they should be able to. while i'm not gay, i believe there should not be discrimination due to sexual orientation and or practices.



FelinePersuasion -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 12:33:32 AM)

Well on drawn together the princess always said that if gays got married natzie's would ride the earth on dinosours, so gays couldn't marry for the saftey of the world. However drawn together is very offensive in content sometimes and ment to be shocking. I don't belive there is any reason why gays couldn't have a marriage like any other couples



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 12:33:39 AM)

I don't fear gay marriage. I only fear fear itself. (Somebody had to say it.)



MadameDahlia -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 12:42:19 AM)

I certainly do not fear homosexual marriages. I fully support everyone being given the same opportunity. Likewise I support homosexual couples having children... and teaching children in schools... and delivering newspapers... or being garbage collectors.

What the hell do I care what people do -- as long as they don't do it in my backyard or on my coffee table (unless they're physically appealing to me... and then I'll be reassessing that) [;)]



michaelMI -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 12:46:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia

I certainly do not fear homosexual marriages. I fully support everyone being given the same opportunity. Likewise I support homosexual couples having children... and teaching children in schools... and delivering newspapers... or being garbage collectors.

What the hell do I care what people do -- as long as they don't do it in my backyard or on my coffee table (unless they're physically appealing to me... and then I'll be reassessing that) [;)]


i agree with You MadameDahlia, what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms shouldn't be others concern but their own. the churches and government always tend to over-step their bounds on this and many other issues. so much for "right to privacy", huh?



girl4you2 -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 2:28:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelMI

i agree with You MadameDahlia, what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms shouldn't be others concern but their own. the churches and government always tend to over-step their bounds on this and many other issues. so much for "right to privacy", huh?

many rights have been or are eroding under the current church/government amalgamation or coalescence we have occurring at present. makes one wonder how we got along for these 130 some odd years with separation of the two. privacy rights have pretty much started flying out the window along with many others. did we get to vote for the patriot act?



mnottertail -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 4:34:39 AM)

I fear it because there doesn't seen to be enough 'r' s in in.

LOL,
Ron



FangsNfeet -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 9:20:13 PM)

I myself have no problems seeing homosexuals wed each other. Anyhow everyone, just remember that I opened this thread in the Random Stupidity. Many homosexual men have been dubed as being a "Flamer" ie the person wearing pinks, reds, and such as well as being over mello dramatic over so many different topics and such.

Seeing two of these Flamer type people getting married is one thing but seeing the divorce could be a different story all together. I wonder how many ppl have invisualized or thought about seeing two of these Flamer type Male Homosexuals having a divorce.

Politicians have possibly put these thoughts into concideration. After all, approving gay marriage would mean more marriage registrations. More registrations means more money for the states/government. However, how tied up would the courts be if the Flaimers start fileing for divorce. Think of the DRAMA.



mnottertail -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/12/2005 9:48:37 PM)

With a 50-75 percent divorce rate? The courts so don't give a fuck. They are whining about how heavy there caseload is out there and how they have to use their life force up to weigh the world and space-time juxtapositions of the law and the humanity of the far reaching consideration of the consequence. This is so they can lay it off on a secretary who makes boilerplate from some boughten document and searches the statutes under westlaw or their competitor, fills the shit in and the esquire signs it. Actually takes about 30 minutes in the cookie cutter operation (there aint a goddamn thing new under the law in that sense) bills you for 4 hours.

Go into the civil courts and look........

What you got is Monty Hall.......who's got a coathanger, fine....... $200 ........ let's make a deal.

From the founding of our country and it's constitution, what maybe 20,000 laws a year are being passed or tinkered with and they goddamn sure aren't being used to give you personal freedom. They are being used to oppress some group in order to restrict your freedoms.

Then the unwary and unwilling and insipid masses are led to believe by legislators that the what? 4th century christian doctrine espoused by the catholic church that you had a man and woman get married there and you paid for it (as opposed to the old formal jewish law........you walk in together and show yourself (not that I am for that either) it's a done deal......

That's what the framers of the constitution meant when they said ", Under God, with liberty and justice for all" in the preamble or whatever worthless document it is written in.

LMAO,
Ron
The checkbook has the effect of law.......
(as well as my oft quoted Anatole France when it comes to legal asswipe........)



onceburned -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/13/2005 7:55:00 PM)

Just look to the experience of Massachusetts!

In the 18 months (or so) that the state of Massachusetts has had legal gay marriage, the heterosexual divorce rate has skyrocketed, the number of heterosexual marriages has plummeted, and there has been a marked increase in the number of unwed mothers. All of which prove the contention that gay marriage undermines traditional marriage.

What? You say that those things haven't happened?? Maybe gay marriage isn't such a threat, after all.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/13/2005 8:49:21 PM)

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What? You say that those things haven't happened?? Maybe gay marriage isn't such a threat, after all.


I'd like to see Gay Marriage passed all around the US. The Gay community at large just wants the right. However, the actuall ones who do marry will be a small population.

Gay or Not, men are men and most of us like the idea of fucking just about everyone. There will be more lesbian marriages than male homosexual ones. So if and when the rights finally pass, it's not like whords of homosexuals are going to raid the churches and Judges office to marry. Instead, most of them will start looking at other laws, issues, and such to bitch about.



michaelMI -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 3:09:53 AM)

i have nothing against gay men, as long as i do not have to be involved in any way. i don't like men much anyway, be they straight , gay or bi...it's just the general mentality of them i do not like. seems that, because i am male, people seem to think i should know and like sports...no offense people, but i have more interesting things to do in life than to subscribe to that nonsense.



knees2you -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 7:21:31 AM)

Could be alot of People Believe in Adam and Eve not Steve..
I use to be Gay 100% but then Sometimes we see the Light instead of the Darkness.. Do I Regret it no and will never look back~
It just is what Your Heart feels. Is it right in Yours or everybody elses eyes? It's all in What You Believe. But that's Your Buisness.

Sincerely, Ant[;)]



LadyAngelika -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 7:47:01 AM)

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i have nothing against gay men, as long as i do not have to be involved in any way.


Look, the only way you will have to be involved with gay men is if you end up in a gay male leather bar gagged and bound with a post it on your forehead that says Use Me Big Boy. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you will never have to be involved in any way. So you can unclench your butt cheeks now. ;)

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 7:57:25 AM)

A friend of mine just celebrated his 23rd year anniversary with his partner. I got news from another friend and he said "Bryan and I have been together almost 10 years, can you believe it?"... Ok, so many chose to stay single or play the field a while longer because there is no impedus to get married and have children. There is also another factor that is rarely discussed. But think of it this way, if all of your life you are told by society that the kind of relationship you want is wrong, there is a greater chance of you having a lot of self-hatred and not believing that a relationship like the one you desire is right. Many psychologists attribute this to one of the reasons that gay and lesbian relationships might have problems lasting long term. Hopefully societal changes will help this one factor. But as we know, many straight relationships fail as well so the reasons for relationships to fail are manifold and complex.

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Gay or Not, men are men and most of us like the idea of fucking just about everyone. There will be more lesbian marriages than male homosexual ones.

Notice how I said and lesbian? Well trust me, after spending 7 years in the lesbian circle, I saw similar patterns to the gay male one. In the end probably a higher quantity of long term relationships but also a whole lot of fucking around. I attribute that to the fact that women who take charge of their sexuality like the idea of fucking too! To be honest, I also don't think there will be more lesbian marriages because many lesbians are feminists and many feminists have renounced marriage as they believe it to be a patriarchal institution. I think it's going to be 50-50. Besides any flamer (your words Fang, not mine) would not pass up the opportunity to saché down the isle in a pretty little tiara now could he? *insert eye roll*

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So if and when the rights finally pass, it's not like whords of homosexuals are going to raid the churches and Judges office to marry. Instead, most of them will start looking at other laws, issues, and such to bitch about.


Yup. They are going to find a whole bunch of things to bitch about. Wow! Just like the other 90% of the population. Wow! Homosexuals are humans just like everyone else!

- LA



mnottertail -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 9:04:19 AM)

Dear LadyAngelika,

That was my smile for the day!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Ron



starshineowned -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 9:05:45 AM)

Greetings..~smiles~


Personally instead of seeing such a push for Gay marriage, I'd much rather see a push for allowing any persons that live together in the same household, and want to declare themselves a couple, that they be afforded the same benefits/incentives as those that are married get. I don't think it is right to put upon persons straight or gay that in order to visit a loved one in ICU that you be married or an immediate family member. Thats just plain wrong in every sense.

I think that they should then institute that if you want to get married, that it be for life, and there can be no divorce.

With just those two things in place..there would be a whole lot less applications for marriage, and well the court systems would then out quite a bit.

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin



dixiedumpling -> RE: Why fear Gay Mariage? (11/14/2005 9:45:21 AM)

I don't give a rat's hat whether they get married or just shack up. Just hush up about it. What they really want is benefits. Survivor benefits for Social Security. Health benefits that are afforded to spouses. Now, that would cost companies money. That's the crux of the debate.

The divorce rate for m/f couples is about 50%. I'd imagine that it would be similar for m/m or f/f couples. What a hassle.



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