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Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 7:08:58 AM   
MsKayDee


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Status: offline 		It all started with his drinking Saturday evening about 9pmish. He texted me until 1:45 Sunday morning. I finally had to cut the phone off. There were several messages that were fuck you. There were messages that I just needed to be with you because he couldn't give me anything but one of my new friends could. There were messages that made me feel like I wasn't good enough for him. There were messages that he wasn't good enough for me. Then there was one of the final messages that said and I quote Hell, I'm letting you go to be with her. That was like a knife in my heart leaving me to bleed to death.

Yesterday after church, he texted me that he felt better. He said he said some "really dumb shit" last night. He told me he could have killed his friend and I told him that it was ok because he'd killed me instead. I told him that in his drunk stooper that it was obvious that his true feelings came out. I told him that I was very angry with him, this time more so than the only other time I've been angry at him. He apologized. He said he didn't know what else to say. I told him not to say anything else to me unless he meant it. The thing is I forwarded all of the messages to him that he texted to me and he doesn't remember sending them to me. I told him that he needed to sit down, shut up and listen to me because it was my turn. I told him that I didn't care that he was drunk, he had let me go. There was silence and yes, I think there was a little sniffling on the phone. After a silent pause HE asked ME what now. I told him that he could either decide to make this work or not. The ball was in his court.

So are you responsible for what you say, text or otherwise communicate to your sub/slave when you're drunk?
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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 7:13:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say drunken texting is the worst idea ever. If you want to drunk dial someone, drunk dial them so they know you're drunk for sure! As for me, I've always held people accountable for what they say while they're drunk, and expect to be held accountable if I ever hurt someone while I'm wasted. My opinion is that you should never get so drunk that you don't realize when you're being a complete asshole, and it sounds like this guy did just that. I'd say you're right in telling him what you did. Even if you two can't make it work, at least next time he's drinking heavily and texting mean messages to his next girl he might think twice and just call her to talk.

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 7:14:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're responsible to what you say to anyone.
Being drunk isn't a get out of jail free card.

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 7:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly.

I have no respect or patience for people like this. Make an ass of themselves, project the problems their behaviour caused onto the people they've hurt all while dragging out the foot thick book of excuses. Just so that do not have to take any personal responsibility.

He needs to master himself before he even considers mastering another.


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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 8:19:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I think you're responsible to what you say to anyone.
Being drunk isn't a get out of jail free card.

agreed

excessive alcohol consumption does bring out the worse in people

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 8:31:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		being drunk and a "Master" is a BAD idea

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 1:49:02 PM   
PanthersMom


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Status: offline 		did anyone hold a gun to his hjead and make him get drunk in the first place?  sounds like he has more problems than just stupidity.  and yes, you are responsible for actions and what you say when you are drunk.  do we absolve people from accidents just because they were drunk?  do we say oops, you got nasty with someone and got arrested, it's ok because you were drunk?  no we don't.  he chose to get that drunk, he chose to be cruel, he chose to release you.  he has to live with the consequences of his actions.  and you deserve better.  be glad it was only a verbal wounding, and not something physical.  move on to better days ahead.
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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 2:27:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alcohol does lower the inhibitions, but I don't honestly know if it's a "truth serum" or just makes you obnoxious as hell.  Either way, it obviously shuts off that function in the brain that says, "Don't do that!"



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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 2:54:14 PM   
SteelofUtah


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Yesterday the 13th I celebrated my 4th year Drug and Alcohol Free. In these past for years I have learned a lot more about Alcohol and Drugs than I ever did while using them.

First off to the OP, Normal RESPONSIBLE drinkers do not black out when they drink only those who abuse alcohol do, In order to reach the nural black out stage of drinking one has to reach 1.75% BAL or Higher, there aree exceptions to this such as those who are of diminished nural capasity to begin with and those suffering from Blood related Diseases in which to Drink could be considered suicide. Anyone claiming that they just "Don't Remember" usually are lying and trying to escape thier own bad decisions.

If you "Master" is such an Irrisponsible Drinker that he could "Release" you in a Drunken Stupor I would be forsed to ask yourself what else he could do in one? Could he Harm you? Could he Harm Himself and leave you wondering why?

Beligerence while being drunk is also a sight of being an alcoholic because Responsible Drinkers are aware of the fact that are in a hightened state and know when they are being irrational while intoxicated.

The question is are you willing to take him back and will the dynamic EVER be the same again because now you know a weakness and you also know a point of no return and will you be able to function in a subserviant role to someone who at times is incapable of maintaining an efective leardership environment?

Most people who pull the "I just don't remember doing this" when it was done MANY TIMES are lying even black out drunks only black out for a matter of moments before literally passing out this is from experience and the wisdom of many other Honest recovering alcoholics. I would confront him with this knowledge and tell him that the I don't remember monologue is ones that as been done to pieces. Try something a little more original.

And finally you may want to attend an Ala-non Meeting they are for Family and Loved ones of Alcoholics and find out just how much your Master has in common with other drunks and drinkers. You might be surprized and then you will also learn a little bit about how to deal with them because so that you know forgiving him will solve NOTHING. And you can take that to the bank.

Take it from someone who was there, an alcoholic is only as responsible as he is FORCED to be.

Steel

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 2:55:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used to work in an ER, and the number of people that used alcohol/drugs as their excuse for hurting/maiming/killing people was amazing. Alcohol/Drugs are no excuse.

If you voluntarily use alcohol/drugs, then what you do after taking them is your responsibility. No ifs, ands, or buts. You kill someone - its your fault.
You hurt someone - its your fault.  You say something out of line - its your fault.
You are an adult, take responsibility for your actions.

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RE: Drunken stooper, are you responsible for what you say? - 7/14/2008 3:09:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

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Yesterday the 13th I celebrated my 4th year Drug and Alcohol Free. In these past for years I have learned a lot more about Alcohol and Drugs than I ever did while using them.
Steel


congrats on the anniversary!  i've been sober for 6 yrs and illegal drug free for 17.  it's a great feeling, isn't it?  keep up the good work, lord knows it's not easy sometimes.
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