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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 5:26:52 PM   
panthersub


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When my mentor allows me to go out, it's a requirement that he knows where i'm going and at what time, his phone number, and at least a little bit of a background (basic information), before i'm allowed to go out.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 5:40:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TwoDommeDiva

I doubt there have been any statistical studies, but does anyone have an idea of how many times a sub meeting for bdsm fun has been murdered by their dom?  I don't recall EVER hearing of such an event, though I know it must have happened.


The **SlaveMaster** killer(John Edward Robinson) comes to mind.In total I think he killed 7 females, I read the books a while back but honnestly don't remember how many were submissive.I do however remember that at least one of his victims used safe calls at their meeting, If I am recalling correctly she died soon after.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 5:44:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nikolette

ALSO--- Something extremely important to add: If someone "intends" to hurt you, but they see you are implimenting self protective methods, they CAN change their mind based on not wanting to get caught. So it CAN be a deterrent. Preditors rarely have violent impulses that they can't control at all.


And the ones who do have uncontrollable impulses aren't likely to be going through online courtships, arranging meetings, etc., all these things that can leave a trail back to them... They'll pick up a streetwalker or a hitchhiker, somebody who has no connection to them, and won't be missed until well after the body is disposed of.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 6:00:55 PM   
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Everyone seems to have different thoughts on this one. I know for some that a safe call seems unreasonable. I don't think safe calls are unreasonable. It doesn't matter if you are male or female. I could not imagine in the vanilla world going to meet a stranger and not letting someone you know where you were going and whom you were meeting.  So why in this lifestyle would you do that? If all you have is vanilla friends than treat it like a date and use a safe call, e-mails, text a friend. As for the people that don't. If that is what you do, then who am I to judge you. Everyone is different. That is one of the wonderful things about life. We are all different and enjoy different things. I have friends in this lifestyle and the vanilla world that use me for their safe calls, text, or even e-mail.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 6:47:54 PM   
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Well as a Domme, I have also found that male subs are less likely to arrange a safe call than are female subs. And I am sure it's part of their whole "i may be a male sub but i'm still macho" thing. That plus, as petdave said, unless they have a bdsm friend, it's going to be a bit tricky arranging a safe call. It's not the done thing for internet dating with guys whereas it may be more acceptable for a woman to arrange something. I explain what a safe call is, and say that I would prefer for them to have one for the first play meeting, it's up to them if they have one for the first coffee meeting that precedes any play. I tell them that if they say what time they have promised to call, I will make sure any play is over and they are grounded in time to make the call as I wouldn't want someone to worry unnecessarily. I also explain that Master is My safe call, in that He usually accompanies Me to the initial coffee meet, (and if He doesn't get good vibes about the person then play isn't going to happen) and is usually somewhere in the vicinity during the first play meet. Given that We are now in a semirural area where the only play parties could be at Our place, public play isn't really an option. I also explain that unless a sub knows he is a real bondage junkie I generally do not restrain someone at the first play, or will do so in a way that they could easily get away eg hands behind back but not bound TO anything. If they get off on the feel of rope I will happily do a rope harness around the torso which means they could still escape if they needed to. They'd startle the neighbours a bit though! I recognise with this plan I am possibly at more risk than the sub in that if they got nasty, I couldn't do much about it Myself. I'm OK with that as Master who is a large 6'4" is My back-up! Besides, I don't see that the sub should take ALL the risk.

OK I know all this probably wouldn't stop an out and out murderer ... but then I know I'm not one of those! And generally speaking here in Aus, there's not a whole lot of them waiting around every corner, so I wouldn't expect most subs, male or female, to be paranoid about that. More would be concerned about possible sexual assault (and that could go both genders), or about things escalating and having safe words not respected. For them, knowing that I know that someone else has My contact details gives them some assurance that I wouldn't deliberately stir up trouble for Myself. They also know that I work in a sensitive field so they know they could do Me real damage if I did them damage. I don't consider it a false sense of security either, more a sense of personal responsibility that shows that You consider their safety important and shouldn't they value themselves that much too? I've never had a sub be creeped out by the fact that I've mentioned it (as one poster mentioned) ... most have either not heard of it before, been interested but then decided not to bother, and some have said that as I have brought this up, it gives them confidence that I am not the kind they need to worry too much about anyway! They see it as an indicator of My sense of responsibility and trustworthiness and respond to that.

So for Me it's not about how well it could work in the face of a nutjob, it's about a possible deterrent and taking responsibility for yourself ... and that's a quality I want to see in any sub.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 6:59:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mztresn0w
Everyone seems to have different thoughts on this one. I know for some that a safe call seems unreasonable. I don't think safe calls are unreasonable. It doesn't matter if you are male or female. I could not imagine in the vanilla world going to meet a stranger and not letting someone you know where you were going and whom you were meeting.  So why in this lifestyle would you do that? If all you have is vanilla friends than treat it like a date and use a safe call, e-mails, text a friend. As for the people that don't. If that is what you do, then who am I to judge you. Everyone is different. That is one of the wonderful things about life. We are all different and enjoy different things. I have friends in this lifestyle and the vanilla world that use me for their safe calls, text, or even e-mail.


The last time I made a trip out of town to meet and play with a top was shortly before I joined Desert Dominion.  All of the tops I play with these days, I know from DD or from APEX and PALS in Phoenix.

One of my primary reasons for being on collarme and similar sites now is to seek out local women who may be new to the lifestyle and unaware of the possible dangers and encourage them to join the club.  I encourage all newcomers to this lifestyle to get involved with the local BDSM community, if there is one near them.

Local BDSM community events are an excellent safe place to meet and to play with somebody for the first time.  No need to worry about the subject of discussion being overheard.  I know more than a few local women who won't meet a man at all, if he's unwilling to meet them at the club.  The organized local community tends to scare the psychos away.  We have had more than a few men who seemed dangerous (in a bad way) join in the four years I've been a member, and a few such women too.  They don't last long.

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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/15/2008 9:23:58 PM   
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KneelingSilently: Exactly.

YourhandMyAss: Yes, it will deal with it if the person isn't trixy at all. But a lot of them are. I feel as though I could slip something in someone's drink if they looked away for even a moment. Also, after you go to the mall... or the police... how long would you stay there? Eventually you would go home. Someone patient or sly could easily follow you.

But hey to be fair, they could also come back days later when no safe call is around and slaughter you in your sleep.

I've never tried to imply a safe call is perfect in its ability to keep you safe. Just: Why NOT add one more simple, easy, free, hurdle for them to have to deal with..... especially when it could save a life.

In any case, those were great tips, not to leave your drink unattended and such. Maybe instead of being all exasperated over here on this thread I should just start a thread about everyone's favorite SAFETY TIPS!

Ooooooor......is that too geeky?

Freakgirl4: Yeah! My slave mentioned that guy when I was griping to him (rather than you all, thank goodness) about the somewhat unsafe practices mentioned on the thread.

petdave: Bingo. I think you should keep on the lookout for this potential upcoming SAFETY FIRST thread I am imagining!

HarryVanWinkle: That is an EXCELLENT suggestion. I think you should join me on this yet to be posted thread, too! 


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RE: Reassuring subs - 7/17/2008 9:15:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikolette
petdave: Bingo. I think you should keep on the lookout for this potential upcoming SAFETY FIRST thread I am imagining!

HarryVanWinkle: That is an EXCELLENT suggestion. I think you should join me on this yet to be posted thread, too! 


I'll be happy to.  Let me know when you post it.

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