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Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:05:16 AM   
TwoDommeDivas


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I am grateful to the Bush administration for giving me additional play ideas.  Now, if only I could find someone to teach me safe waterboarding...if that's not too much of an oxymoron.  I have a feeling that even the biggest pain slut can be brought down with about 30 seconds of waterboarding.
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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:09:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		How could 'safe waterboarding' be an oxymoron. I am sure that ALL waterboarding is completely, 100% SAFE. my president told me so!
I doubt you need any lessons, or tips or pointers, for that matter. It is justice department approved! Just do it!

But don't expect too much excitement from it. The military tells me it does not even count as torture, more of a 'cake walk' kind of thing.
(From a girl who stands in the shower yelling 'Hey! Hard LIMIT! Safeword!' every morning while Master flicks water on her face with the tips of His fingers. But, then, I'm sure by 'waterboarding', you were not refering to anything THAT over the top, were you? keep it nice and SSC, and everything should be just GRRRREEEEEAAATT!)

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is an article in the current Vanity Fair about it.  I've not yet read it.  Hitchins subjected himself to it. 




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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:18:36 AM   
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If you're just getting started, I suggest using a fluffy washcloth or hand towel.
Place it over the prone submissive's open mouth.
Slowly pour water onto the cloth, into their mouth.
Doing it this way is pretty easy on them. Half the battle for me was initially doing it in a way that wasn't a completely uncontrolled situation. (They can sit up if they need to, they can turn their head, etc.) The other half was hearing him say "Can we do that again?"

As you get more comfortable with it, try stuffing the cloth into their mouth and pouring the water in that way.
When you're REALLY comfortable, you can experiment with tying them down.

I'm currently trying to figure out how to make it work in the shower... with nose hooks and bondage.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:21:30 AM   
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Any time my body and my mind act as two seperate entities it worries me greatly.  This would include the gag reflex to perceived drowning.  I've been held under water before, I've also drowned, technically (water in the lungs) and felt that spitting gag.

First, you feel like you can't breathe.  While this isn't so bad (I can hold my breath 40 seconds, fairly easily) the body fights.  Seconds become minutes.  Imagine coughing without being able to suck the air back in.  Waterboarding also adds a bondage factor, as the common practice is to have the victim (I use that word meaningfully) seated, face up, hands and legs bound to the chair. 

I have no idea what your kinks are... but waterboarding would be a hard limit for me.  I never want to have those feelings again.

Edit to add: I've never been waterboarded, that wasn't made clear in the post.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 10:30:15 AM   
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There is an article in the current Vanity Fair about it.  I've not yet read it.  Hitchins subjected himself to it. 




Thanks for pointing this out to me. Here's the video of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 11:06:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heavens Keeper, except for a few exceptions, and most of those are in very secure, trusted relationships - most people have a hard limit about reliving the truly traumatic events in their vanilla life. A woman who was object raped is not going to want to play with THAT object, ect.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 11:29:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TwoDommeDivas

Your thoughts?

I am grateful to the Bush administration for giving me additional play ideas.  Now, if only I could find someone to teach me safe waterboarding...if that's not too much of an oxymoron.  I have a feeling that even the biggest pain slut can be brought down with about 30 seconds of waterboarding.


Why stop at waterboarding? Stress positions, sleep deprivation, even a bit of sexual humiliation, all inflicted by expert interrogators... sometimes I think a week or so at Guantanamo Bay would be one of the hottest BDSM experiences imaginable.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 12:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You Tube is overloaded with amature waterboarding contests.  Here is s link to 40 videos.  I couldn’t find the old Waterboarding 101 video I was lookingfor and some of those videos are kinda’ silly like this Waterboarding not torture.  Well.. this isn’t really waterboarding.  He wasn’t inverted and the shorts weren’t laid flat on his face, they were bunched up.  He didn’t feel the water rushing over his face.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 1:22:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never knew this was the name for it until I read it on CollarMe.  My Master has done something similar, only he's urinating on my face, not pouring water.  It certainly causes anxiety while it is occurring.  I hold myself together because I know it is him, and I know it will end. 

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 2:00:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the OP - being a pain slut has nothing to do with being bought down by waterboarding - more to do with anoxia.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 2:30:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		OG, I doubt if your watersports with your Master can be compared very well to water boarding. The point of waterboarding is the termendous amount of water that is passed over the face quickly - like being face down in a fast running stream. A cloth is placed over the face to cut down on how much water is inhaled. I have had my face pissed on - i understand we experience it differantly, because i love it (which is odd, i really do REALLY HATE getting my face wet at all in all other circumstances) - but, truly, most men are just not going to be able to produce the kind of stregnth of flow, and speed, we are talking about, and sustain it for several minutes. Usually, if Master is peeing on your face, you can move around and catch a lot of it and drink it. Which might please your Master, OG

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 2:49:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's interesting - I like inflicting quite a number of interesting sensations, but I thought about this and felt immediate discomfort with the idea of doing this to anyone. This goes on my hard-limit list.

One thing I found very interesting was that the setup for the VF video had me immediately thinking "scene!", right down to the safe-word and deadman's drops. I don't think I could have been brave enough to undergo that for journalistic authenticity. Hell... don't think... I -know- I wouldn't have been brave enough.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 3:16:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

It's interesting - I like inflicting quite a number of interesting sensations, but I thought about this and felt immediate discomfort with the idea of doing this to anyone. This goes on my hard-limit list.
Out of curiosity do you think it would bother you so much if it wasn't so recently in the news as something very very bad? Has that affected your perception of it at all?

quote:

One thing I found very interesting was that the setup for the VF video had me immediately thinking "scene!", right down to the safe-word and deadman's drops. I don't think I could have been brave enough to undergo that for journalistic authenticity. Hell... don't think... I -know- I wouldn't have been brave enough.

Calla Firestorm
As a side note I'll just say the I found Christopher Hitchens to be a very brave man long before I saw this. For those who don't know he is an incredibly outspoken atheist (with a book titled "God is not Great") who gets a lot of hate for his beliefs.


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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 3:43:35 PM   
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Out of curiosity do you think it would bother you so much if it wasn't so recently in the news as something very very bad? Has that affected your perception of it at all?



I don't know... not having been familiar with it prior to all the media "flash", I can't be sure that I'm without bias, but I've really never gone in much for water-based tortures... swirlies, dunkings, etc., either -- giving or getting (or even the odd 'shoving someone in the pool without warning' scenario)... so it probably is biased, but it is probably also a reaction to personal discomfort with drowning and mechanical breath-play scenarios where things can go really bad, really fast. All the stuff I do now, with the exception of fireplay, is very controlled. I'm not entirely sure why I'm more comfortable with fireplay than with waterboarding -- Maybe I was drowned as a witch in another life. *shrugs*

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 5:07:35 PM   
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OG, I doubt if your watersports with your Master can be compared very well to water boarding. The point of waterboarding is the termendous amount of water that is passed over the face quickly - like being face down in a fast running stream. A cloth is placed over the face to cut down on how much water is inhaled. I have had my face pissed on - i understand we experience it differantly, because i love it (which is odd, i really do REALLY HATE getting my face wet at all in all other circumstances) - but, truly, most men are just not going to be able to produce the kind of stregnth of flow, and speed, we are talking about, and sustain it for several minutes. Usually, if Master is peeing on your face, you can move around and catch a lot of it and drink it. Which might please your Master, OG


I am lying down.  My head is tilted back.  My face is covered.  What does flow into my mouth ends up flowing up into my sinuses. I feel like I am drowning.  I can not move around.  Sometimes my face is uncovered but my mouth is full of other substance when he stands over and pisses directly into it, causing me to literally choke and gag, except when I gasp for air I am gasping in a dose of urine.  It is not at all the same as when I am kneeling and he is pissing on me.  Not trying to hijack the thread, just responding to clarify.

Everything I have seen and read about waterboarding makes me think of this.  I suppose in a way it's different, but the effect is pretty severe.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 5:59:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another great piece on somebody getting waterboarded..
http://current.com/items/76347282_getting_waterboarded

It's from a "Hey waterboarding's bad, bad Bush bad!" perspective, but hey it taught me about waterboarding if anybody is curious.  I didn't know what it was..

And to Calla: Yeah I had no idea either anyone would have a fetish for this.  I guess with water torture it makes more sense, but I'm pretty like "Wow" too.  Learn something new every day!  Gonna have to add this to the hard limit list.. (Gosh I hate expanding that list!! Thanks a LOT guys :-p.  Hehe)

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 6:10:52 PM   
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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/15/2008 7:19:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TwoDommeDivas
Your thoughts?

I am grateful to the Bush administration for giving me additional play ideas.  Now, if only I could find someone to teach me safe waterboarding...if that's not too much of an oxymoron.  I have a feeling that even the biggest pain slut can be brought down with about 30 seconds of waterboarding.


I find the idea pretty frightening.  Which, of course, means I'd like to try it.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/18/2008 9:56:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dom/mes prefer activities which turn them on; subs either submit to things which turn them on or submit to satisfy a person who does the same.  As for me, there would be no erotic pleasure in either waterboarding someone, or being waterboarded.

If, however, it is your thing in a consensual relationship I shall, in a pallid imitiation of Voltaire, defend your right to do so, at least to the extent of a bruise or so.  (Or a good many bruises if I am allowed to choose their location.)

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