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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/18/2008 10:13:56 AM   
MySweetSubmssive


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Status: offline 		Here is language from a waiver that Hitchens had to sign before doing the waterboarding:

"'Waterboarding' is a potentially dangerous activity in which the participant can receive serious and permanent (physical, emotional and psychological) injuries and even death, including injuries and death due to the respiratory and neurological systems of the body."

Likely part of the reason this language was in place was to make sure that he really wanted to do it, but I believe those warnings are real.  Of interest is that Hitchens heart was racing after the first round, and they made him wait before he could experience waterboarding again; he likely lost consciousness in the second round before he could safe word; and that he had nightmares afterward, despite the fact that he was fully in control of the process.

While it's hot as a fanstasy, and perhaps in a modified form to do, I would put this in the similar category as breath play -- you might not know you're in danger until it's too late.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/18/2008 3:09:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a form of breath play. As such, you really need to do your research and be willing to discuss it in detail beforehand.

Now, on a related note... I was talking with a sub from my old stomping grounds the other night, and she was telling me about a piss play version of waterboarding that she watched being demoed at a party a few months back... According to her, it was both incredibly hot, and more than a little difficult to keep herself from wanting to walk out on the scene... (which I suppose is true for a lot of edge play.)


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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/19/2008 11:55:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jim waterboarded me as the demo at our recent Fear Play presentation at Leather Retreat.  We have a prenogtiated understanding that no matter what I say or do, he does not have to stop a scene until he wishes, and this type of play really brought that to the fore front.

He propped a piece of plywood up on a 30 degree angle, and had me climb on top of it.  He pushed me in to a lyaing position, so that my head was at the bottom of the board pointing to the floor, and my feet were above me.  Seven people from the class held my thighs, ankles, shoulders and wrists, while the rest crowded around us to make me feel claustrophobic.  I hate to be immobilized as it terrifies me, so I began to panic a bit before he even started the main event.  He put a t-shirt over my head, with the neck of the shirt around my neck, but the torso pulled up over my head and tucked underneath me to hold it tight.  He started with a cup of water, and poured it directly in to my mouth, and I started to sputter, which made the t-shirt suck in to my open mouth.  The water flowed down my nose and made pools in the nose and mouth of the t-shirt, so even when he stopped pouring, waterboarding was the gift that kept on giving, and I could never truly clear my nose and mouth or feel like I was catching my breath. 

After a bunch of cups of water that came quickly one behind the other, he switched to buckets.  I started screaming at that point, trying to get someone to understand that I was drowning, but he and the people holding me down wouldn't listen.  I truly felt like I was in distress, like I couldn't breath  (if you can scream you can breath), and I could not calm down.  At one point I pissed myself, which sucked even more because it just ended up running down my body.  The whole event was the most tortured and panicked I have ever felt.  We went through 40 gallons of water, which is a lot when it is being poured down your throat. I was screaming safe word but no one was listening, I was praying some one would stop him, I was thinking that this was a stupid idea, and I was out of my mind with terror - this claims that this is not torture are bull shit from my perspective.  It was so hot! 

The angle really makes a difference.  Since my head was lower than my lungs, despite all the gallons of water being poured into my throat and on my face, gravity took its natural course and no water entered my lungs.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 2:01:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jnj,

After reading your post I'm taking long controlled breaths and trying to overcome my heart racing.  You describe it vividly.  As said earlier, past experiences can ruin a kink for some people.  This one is my kryponite.

Would you do it again?

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 2:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a method of interogatin waterboarding isn't new. It is in fact one ofthe best ways of soliciting information very quickly from an unwilling suspect. If you are thinking of using it in play i would suggest caution.
Firstly remember it is quite easy to drown someone. it is not something that has no danger.
Secondly the risk of heart attack is very real. And that isn't just in the unfit.

It wasn't invented as a game, so just be very careful.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 2:54:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jnj, thank you for such a great accounting of your experience. I loved your reminder of if you can scream you can breathe...If you can manage to keep that in mind while it's happening, you can remind yourself that you're not actually drowining. :)

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 3:12:58 AM   
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Jnj, thank you for such a great accounting of your experience. I loved your reminder of if you can scream you can breathe...If you can manage to keep that in mind while it's happening, you can remind yourself that you're not actually drowining. :)


That's not exactly true under water... You'd have to breath in very slowly to avoid actually drowning (pulling water into the lungs).

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 4:42:42 AM   
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Jnj, thank you for such a great accounting of your experience. I loved your reminder of if you can scream you can breathe...If you can manage to keep that in mind while it's happening, you can remind yourself that you're not actually drowining. :)


That's not exactly true under water... You'd have to breath in very slowly to avoid actually drowning (pulling water into the lungs).


True, but in times of panic, when you are actually drawing in air to scream, it is good to remind yourself that drawing in air means you are breathing.  I have been in situations where this mental reminder was a huge help in dealing with things.  Emerged under water, you hold your breath (or very slowly exhale to give your lungs a sense of relief) and trust that you'll be pulled up before it's too late. 

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 8:23:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw a waterboarding demo recently, and they used plastic over her face and then poured the water over the plastic. Not being an expert, my observation was this would give the sensation of the water pouring over the face and drowning, without nearly the risk of water actually entering the lungs/sinuses if a cloth was used instead. Yes, the victim struggled mightily, and yes, she thought she was being drowned. It was fascinating to watch, and very intense.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 8:46:47 AM   
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I'm sorry, it's about what?

Ohhhhhhh, nevermind.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 9:20:15 AM   
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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 9:28:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

This one is my kryponite.



I'm right with ya' HK. I'll cut em, puncture em with needles, and burn em -- but keep the waterboarding for someone else!


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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 10:18:36 AM   
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lock a person in a box take away all the sound light  or even smell how long would it take for them to go insain 


About 5 minutes, here.

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 1:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		we live in age right now of shear stupidity   where is the coolness in being stupid to try and prove a point of oh look what i can do waterboarding clowns  bdsm is a lot of ways become a clowns play ground  who can be the most humilating the most freakish or take the most pain  how stupid is that.  for those who want every encounter to mean that is cool and i understand
for those that are here just be a freaking clown of ds or a nut case just to be stupid silly move on down the road do water boarding if you want but in the end no one cares the shows over   time to grow up and be either a great domme a great sub a great something 

not just a thrill freak  cause that is just being stupid lol  and you will passs in the night with out anyone caring or blinking eye   

ps this just a general observation

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RE: Waterboarding as play - 7/20/2008 2:01:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

Jnj,

After reading your post I'm taking long controlled breaths and trying to overcome my heart racing.  You describe it vividly.  As said earlier, past experiences can ruin a kink for some people.  This one is my kryponite.

Would you do it again?


I'm sorry to hear that you had a less than stellar experience.

I would not do this voluntarily again, however, my owner has another session planned for two months from now, so I will be experiencing it at least one more time.  I'm not overly upset at that, but I'm not looking forward to the experience.  I hate it while I am doing it, but I also love the feeling of being forced, so it goes both ways.

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