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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 10:03:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thadius Mr.Polanski turned down an offer to come back and have the charges dealt with in appropriate fashion ie:all is forgiven...the sticking point seemed to be his unwillingness to go thru the attending media circus...all parties to that sad chapter,incuding the prosecuting attorney agree the presiding Judge was a media hungry attention whore who was looking to screw Polanski above and beyond the agreed upon plea bargain...p.s. the "victim" is on board too

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 10:08:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I was still very young I went to the same church and school as Sharon Tate's neice.  We became very good friends before she moved away, and I remember that every couple of months her mother (Tate's sister) would have what she called a sad day.  I happened to be there one day when it happened; she cried, screamed, locked herself in a closet, and stayed in there all day without getting out to get food or water and she didn't go to the bathroom.  I called my grandma and she came and picked up both of us, and only after my friend's dad picked her up did my family explain to me why her mom was always sad.  I know that my friend's mom and grandmother went to every single parole hearing for each person in jail for this to ensure that the victums were remembered by the pannels until the day they died.  My friend told me about how she had nightmares constantly and was afraid that someone would still come after her and the rest of her family.

What the Manson followers did wasn't just end the lives of innocent people in horrific ways; they destroyed the lives of all of their families.  I wish that the death penalty hadden't been overturned while all of these people were sitting on death row, but it was and their sentances can't be reveresed back to it after they were commuted to life in prison.  For me, life in prison means is exactly that, not "when you are old and sick we will let you out so you can die somewhere else."  Let her rot there is what I say.

"What mercy, Sir, did you show my daughter when she was begging for her life? What mercy did you show my daughter when she said give me two weeks to have my baby and then you can kill me? ... When will [Sharon] come up for parole?... Will these seven victims and possibly more walk out of their graves if you get paroled? You cannot be trusted". -Doris Tate, mother of Sharon Tate at Charles Watson's first parole hearing.


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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 10:09:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Understandable, I was honestly unaware of the current state of his situation.  Thanks for the clarification.

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 10:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to be of help Thadius.Neophyteanna that quote from Doris Tate sure does put things in it's proper perspective.Society has a duty at times to show mercy and compassion,this is not one of those times...these are not "people"worhy of society's mercy nor compassion...of course that is just my opinion

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 1:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very eloquent and saddening, neophyteanna.  Thank you for sharing even a small bit of what this family has suffered all these years.  I imagine it must be enough to turn a person slightly mad.  

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 1:07:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I really do feel empathy for the survivors of those murdered. As to whether or not a middle aged dying woman dies in or out of prison, I really don't have any opinion one way or another.

In the big picture of the world, it doesn't really matter.


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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 1:15:52 PM   
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While I really do feel empathy for the survivors of those murdered. As to whether or not a middle aged dying woman dies in or out of prison, I really don't have any opinion one way or another.

In the big picture of the world, it doesn't really matter.

Not everything is big-picture to be sure,but this is no average middle-aged dying woman....this is or was a co-conspiritor in a most brutal crime...let her rot....how old would Sharons baby be? 

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 1:22:39 PM   
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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 1:56:56 PM   
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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 2:02:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

While I really do feel empathy for the survivors of those murdered. As to whether or not a middle aged dying woman dies in or out of prison, I really don't have any opinion one way or another.

In the big picture of the world, it doesn't really matter.

Not everything is big-picture to be sure,but this is no average middle-aged dying woman....this is or was a co-conspiritor in a most brutal crime...let her rot....how old would Sharons baby be? 


I never said she was average. The reality is that only a very small number of people will actually be affected by where she dies. I do not know her, I do not know any of the people that died or anyone related to any of them. So, as cold as it may sound, I really do not have anything invested in the situation one way or another.

So, to ME.........it is very big picture.


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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 4:41:55 PM   
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I Not everything is big-picture to be sure,but this is no average middle-aged dying woman....this is or was a co-conspiritor in a most brutal crime...let her rot....how old would Sharons baby be? 


Wow, I just checked on that and the baby would be getting ready to turn 39 next month.

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 4:55:35 PM   
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I think it all depends on your opinion of why a person "should" stay locked up.  If it's solely as punishment for their crime, then she should stay.  There's not enough incarceration to punish her as badly as she hurt others. 

However, if it's an issue of staying until one is "rehabilitated" (however you personally define that), she should be released.  There is no doubt in my mind that she and every one of the other Manson family killers have changed tremendously over the last nearly-40 years.  I've seen interviews with Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie VanHouten where they express their remorse and tell how sick it makes them that people in the world idolize them and Manson and what they did.  I wouldn't mind taking Susan Adkins into my home as far as how much fear I have that she'd commit another violent crime.  I just don't think any of them would.

So, to me, I feel kind of split on the idea of her being released.  She shouldn't get off easily for what she did but 40 years of prison isn't easy.  Yes, it's "easier" than being slaughtered and I'm not saying she should be coddled.  Do I think she'd murder again?  No way. 

There's been a general attitude here of "she should get what she gave."  She didn't give any compassion.  But the truly compassionate give it where it's least deserved.  Just a thought..................luci

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 5:35:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with everyone here she shouldn't be released for any reason. The people her and the others killed had no choice to live or die. Karma is a wonderful thing... If someone does something wrong ( takes as life, is a nasty person, ect) I truly believe that you get what is coming to you in the end. Granted to me brain cancer isn't anywhere near what she deserves. But she is getting what is coming to her. Why should anyone feel sorry for her just because she has a terminal illness....??? She didn't feel compassion for those whose life she took too soon... So there should be none felt for her. She should have to stay and suffer even for a short time.
     

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 5:55:08 PM   
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I think it all depends on your opinion of why a person "should" stay locked up.  If it's solely as punishment for their crime, then she should stay.  There's not enough incarceration to punish her as badly as she hurt others. 

However, if it's an issue of staying until one is "rehabilitated" (however you personally define that), she should be released.  There is no doubt in my mind that she and every one of the other Manson family killers have changed tremendously over the last nearly-40 years.  I've seen interviews with Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie VanHouten where they express their remorse and tell how sick it makes them that people in the world idolize them and Manson and what they did.  I wouldn't mind taking Susan Adkins into my home as far as how much fear I have that she'd commit another violent crime.  I just don't think any of them would.

So, to me, I feel kind of split on the idea of her being released.  She shouldn't get off easily for what she did but 40 years of prison isn't easy.  Yes, it's "easier" than being slaughtered and I'm not saying she should be coddled.  Do I think she'd murder again?  No way. 

There's been a general attitude here of "she should get what she gave."  She didn't give any compassion.  But the truly compassionate give it where it's least deserved.  Just a thought..................luci
Dear Luci whether or not one is in prison to be rehabilitated or to simply remove them from society really would IMO depend on why there in jail.I beleive a thief can be rehabilitated,a drunken driver that has een convicted of vehicular manslaughter would also be in that category.Don't think ,again IMO the Manson family qualifys and to give You another example did John Gotti qualify has someone the prison authorities were attempting to rehabilitate...most certainly not ..their are certain individuals who by the nature of their offences remove from society the imperitive to rehabilitate and replace it with the societal need for their incarceration ..simple yes even a moral judgement but truth in my eyes at least...BTW john Goti died a horrible death from the ravages of throat cancer...didn't matter,he came under th"only way your leaving here is in a box "category so does the members of the anson "family"

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 7:19:16 PM   
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There's been a general attitude here of "she should get what she gave."  She didn't give any compassion.  But the truly compassionate give it where it's least deserved.  Just a thought..................luci


luci, while I think this a worthy goal, I have a hard time finding it within myself to excuse a murderer ... there is a line crossed with that act that allows me to be dispassionate about her suffering.  It's probably not a good thing, though.  Perhaps pure compassion should be the goal, but it's beyond me at times.

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 8:02:56 PM   
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Dear Luci whether or not one is in prison to be rehabilitated or to simply remove them from society really would IMO depend on why there in jail.I beleive a thief can be rehabilitated,a drunken driver that has een convicted of vehicular manslaughter would also be in that category

Hey slvemike,
I'm going to have to disagree with you here.  Thieves and drunk drivers have some of the highest recidivism rates ever.  Yes, they can be rehabilitated but those types of offenders tend to reoffend over and over and over.  Murderers, on the other hand, don't necessarily do so.  Someone may kill in certain circumstances (heat of passion, drug induced frenzy, etc.) one time and never do it again.  Don't get me wrong - one murder is one too many.  I'm just saying that to me whether or not she should be released depends on whether or not you think her incarceration has been SOLELY for punishment or if you think it's at all about rehabilitation/protecting society.  If she's in there only as punishment, she should stay.  Her punishment isn't over.  If she's in there to protect society, let her out.  Her danger to society is long past in my personal opinion.  Don't think she'd hurt a fly these days.................luci

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 8:04:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow ,there wer so many typo's in my last post,I should be in prison...sorry !

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 8:06:35 PM   
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Wow ,there wer so many typo's in my last post,I should be in prison...sorry !


This post too. 

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 8:07:03 PM   
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luci, while I think this a worthy goal, I have a hard time finding it within myself to excuse a murderer

Well, so do I.  I'm not saying we should "excuse" what she did in any way.  I'm just saying that I don't think she is a danger to society these days.  Freeing her is not going to create more murders (unless it's someone murdering her).
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there is a line crossed with that act that allows me to be dispassionate about her suffering

I do understand.  It's easier to accept another's suffering if we feel they "deserve" it somehow.  Who "deserves" more suffering than one who has murdered another?  I don't know.
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Perhaps pure compassion should be the goal, but it's beyond me at times

I think it's a lofty goal, indeed, but it's obviously beyond ALL of us at times.  Just different times, I guess...............luci

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RE: Sharon Tate - 7/16/2008 8:08:42 PM   
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Wow ,there wer so many typo's in my last post,I should be in prison...sorry !

No, not prison.  Just a severe, severe beating...............luci

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