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eyesopened -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 12:39:44 PM)

For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.  The bars would be a constant reminder that my Master wanted a seperation between us.  That would not do my mindset any good at all.  Which may sound strange from a total bondage slut. 

my Master will most likely bind me securely from time to time as i lay in His bed, feeling His body next to mine, where i can feel the warmth of Him and smell His wonderful scent.  i am His captive, bound to Him by a love that is stronger than steel.




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 1:13:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.....


Exactly, the whole part about keeping somebody out as well.   I was not joking when I said some girls enjoy the comfort and feelings of safety inside their cages.   It becomes thier space and special place.  Ironic, almost a place to go hide when they are feeling threaten or have fucked up.

Like I said, there are Pros and Cons to caging.  I do have to agree with chaining being a good alternative to caging.

I realize that this thread was started with the intentions of covering the positives of caging.   All of which RS has been covering in great detail.  There are a few cavets regarding some negatives with caging as well.   I do think I love the three weeks in a cage mindset.   Too much longer and well the sub/slave is starting to feel a little too much right at home.   I think the 3 week mindset RS has going on is a great one, and it's practical.   Sounds like he's aware of some of the negatives or drawbacks even.

I think the OP is rather sane in providing use of a telephone, internet and DVD.  Not only for safety issues, but for mental health as well.  Plus, it covers the Dom/Masters ass as well.  How could somebody possible be charged for wrongful imprisonment of a human being that has been clearly provided phone and internet access?  At least this would make for a great defense in any court, but that's my opinion on the matter.   If somebody becomes that despart to want out of the cage, it sounds like all basis are covered.   I would assume that grounds for release from the M/s relationship are attached to being let out too.  I think RS is somewhat sane in regards to things here.

Sounds like he's put a lot of thought into WTF he's doing, in terms of sane Caging practices.  Some food for thought for anybody who's into caging, considering it, or enjoys this activitity.

I'm still trying to figure out the attraction red cages have though.   




ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 1:19:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl
being claustrophobic as unacceptable excuse? 

right now, you lost all respect from me.

i don't like enclosed and tight spaces - thinking about locked insided a confined space without freedom to venture about would freak me out. i'm very comfortable with myself but i wouldn't need a cage to prove that any dominant.

If you “don’t like” something… then fine, retain control.  No one said you should give up control but don’t fake your desires or motives.  Don’t try and spoof me with some fake reason like you “must retain control for medical reasons” because you “don’t like” something.  That is a crock of shit you will have to sell it to someone that isn’t a physiologist’s son.  Just admit that you are D/s not M/s and it’s a different style.  You want the “power” to negotiate.

I don’t like BS and I don’t like judgmental fools that preach their one God is for all… or their one style of relationship is for all.  I don’t like people on collarme that don’t know shit about BDSM or the difference between M/s and D/s who get all wound up in arguments about apples verses oranges… but I still respect the community and continue to make my meager contributions. 

I don’t like people that look for excuses to top from the bottom as they sneak around in sheep’s clothing trying to hook a wolf.  In fact I am intolerant of it.  It doesn’t mean I respect you any less.  It just means we play in different arenas and have different styles.  I will remain as non judgmental as you will.  I am sorry that because our styles don’t mesh you have a narrow view.  My dad was a psychologist and I will tell you that everything in life is a choice… including dealing with your own curable phobias.  Because you choose to keep a phobia and lose a relationship is your style and I think no less of you for it.  You are just a different style than I am.  You are D/s.  You want to be in control and keep your phobias.  That’s your choice.  I suggest you take your own advice and stay out of cages.  We all came her to have fun and there is no conceivable reason on this green Earth you should start a TPE relationship and be forced to do things you “don’t like” to do. 


Yes, claustrophobia is an unacceptable excuse for me.  I have dealt with partners that had bad emotional habits or had made bad choices.  One went through 20 years of therapy before she met me.  I helped cure her in 6 months, med free and all.  Simply because I showed her how simple life, love and good health really is.  I showed her it is a matter of choice.  Some call it discipline.  In my world, any curable phobia or medical condition you choose to keep that impairs our relationship or gives you the medical excuse to top from the bottom is unacceptable.  It shows you have no discipline.  You cannot give what you do not possess.  Without discipline, you do not give your master control, you give him chaos and that’s emotional abuse. 

Everything in life is a choice.  Make good choices that count.
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Mission statement

-=The Phoenix Dynasty=-
Life is conditional, even morals are a result of environment.  Self imposed limits are futile.  You never know when conditions will change.  Success is a result of choices.  Accept this and choose a limitless path to a successful life, productive relationships and lasting legacy.




fyreredsub -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 1:52:51 PM)

Greetings ya'll,

I've always associated cages with good memories (thinks back to being a little girl and watching gogo dancers on laugh-in) and years back dated a biker that had a cage in his living room(gawd loved it).

As a slave some of my better thinking moments were spent in corner time..it was supposed to be time for introspection not punishment even though as a kid it was punishment and i hated it. there was something comforting in being able to be still for him and to learn about me and what i needed.i had to journal after

one of the best things about being owned was being chained at night and other slaves would give me,' the what if something happens'...well ya know, anything can happen in just about any situation. you can get hurt fallin in the shower on a bar of soap....so are you going to stop taking shower because of the risk involved? I know i'm not.

anyway I digress here...if you truly want to learn to trust someone to the maximum degree

go for it

you just may find exactly what you need in life and the kind of care that you will be given and this will be a defining moment(well more time than that but you get my drift) in your life and the happier a slave is in her Masters hands the better she will serve with more devotion and no fear

be well
Fyre







ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 2:01:02 PM)

Shit… I cant keep up with my own thread… LOL
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.....

Exactly, the whole part about keeping somebody out as well.   I was not joking when I said some girls enjoy the comfort and feelings of safety inside their cages.   It becomes thier space and special place.  Ironic, almost a place to go hide when they are feeling threaten or have fucked up.

Like I said, there are Pros and Cons to caging.  I do have to agree with chaining being a good alternative to caging.
[snipity snip]
I'm still trying to figure out the attraction red cages have though.   

About red… I think red cages takes their confinement into the pet/caretaker mode.  It makes their captor more benevolent.  “I want a pretty red cage, just like the in circus daddy!”  We become owners of cherished pets & slaves we have captured not wardens of involuntary prisoners.  Admittedly it’s only a nuance.  But I noticed the same fetish with red cages that you do.  My cage was painted at an auto body shop for $375.00 and it is 1963 Ferrari red. 

About chains…  and ropes.  I’m with you on that.  I love padlocking a slave's chain to the wall and seeing a slave turn down in my bed so she can sleep at my feet.  Even a good rope and manacle is a nice feeling, even if she eventually could chew or cut through the rope.  It makes for a nice overnighter,  she can’t escape with causing a ruckus and waking Master.  It's just not quite the same as the cage.  The cage is like a homestead, a shelter.  The chain only evokes feelings of being captive and there is no wall, no visible boundary, no roof.  The chain isn’t her home so to speak.  It also isn’t as secure and permanent as a cage.

About cages… you are not just speaking the truth, you are testifying with the word before the gods of BDSM.  When a slave gets her grove on in a cage, OMG it is her sanctuary and her safety net.  That cage is her freedom, her “special space”, her resting place to just go be herself.  It is one of the few tings in her lifethat she feels dominion over if you do it like I talked about in the OP.  It becomes a cocoon of Master’s love and protection while letting her relax and be “at ease” while simultaneously paying the biggest proof of commitment, giving up total control of her freedom.  In M/s, that makes a slave very happy… giving up that power, that right to freedom is part of the exchange relationship.  It makes both Master and slave feel extremely fulfilled.




GreedyTop -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 4:42:51 PM)

I'm totally rethinking this cage thing....

(dammit, RS... you keep doing that to me!)




xbutterflyx -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 4:46:21 PM)


oh this thread makes me want to visit Sir's cage! ohh i wanna!

My first cage experience was with Sir. Now, it is a ritual. That is my place to sleep and wait for Him. The feeling of sitting there and watching Him lock me away is so hard to describe..and my time alone allows for focus..i hear him, but can't see him. However, i know he is there and i wait for HIM. Oh and seeing him enter the room ...awesome!

smile bunches...xx




leakylee -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 5:19:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.....


Exactly, the whole part about keeping somebody out as well.   I was not joking when I said some girls enjoy the comfort and feelings of safety inside their cages.   It becomes thier space and special place.  Ironic, almost a place to go hide when they are feeling threaten or have fucked up.

Like I said, there are Pros and Cons to caging.  I do have to agree with chaining being a good alternative to caging.

I realize that this thread was started with the intentions of covering the positives of caging.   All of which RS has been covering in great detail.  There are a few cavets regarding some negatives with caging as well.   I do think I love the three weeks in a cage mindset.   Too much longer and well the sub/slave is starting to feel a little too much right at home.   I think the 3 week mindset RS has going on is a great one, and it's practical.   Sounds like he's aware of some of the negatives or drawbacks even.

I think the OP is rather sane in providing use of a telephone, internet and DVD.  Not only for safety issues, but for mental health as well.  Plus, it covers the Dom/Masters ass as well.  How could somebody possible be charged for wrongful imprisonment of a human being that has been clearly provided phone and internet access?  At least this would make for a great defense in any court, but that's my opinion on the matter.   If somebody becomes that despart to want out of the cage, it sounds like all basis are covered.   I would assume that grounds for release from the M/s relationship are attached to being let out too.  I think RS is somewhat sane in regards to things here.

Sounds like he's put a lot of thought into WTF he's doing, in terms of sane Caging practices.  Some food for thought for anybody who's into caging, considering it, or enjoys this activitity.

I'm still trying to figure out the attraction red cages have though.   


you state alot of truths here. even though my confinement experiences are fairly limited they have been incredible. be it the cage or a closet, the feeling is totally different from being bound. when you hear the lock click oh the door to a cage you are done, you become totally dependent on another person. but you also get to be free. no reason to bluster, no reason to put up the protective walls, all the vulnerabilites can come out.

it also can give you a place to be alone. to spend time with yourself. to reenergize.. a mini vacation. not a fanatasy break, but moments just for me. moments that i get to be dependent again. i get to surrender control for a short time. i dont know that anything refreshes my mind and soul like that.

smooches
lee




nwcutie102 -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 5:36:25 PM)

cute...sexy....interesting




lronitulstahp -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 5:44:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nwcutie102

cute...sexy....interesting
You rang????




ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 7:14:35 PM)

I love that cage of mine so much, after it had been out of service for over 6 months, I set it up even though it was empty because it makes me happy to see it.  It brightens my day.  It does not bring me memories of past partners… it isn’t the history of the thing that makes me happy.  It is the future and power of the thing that makes me happy.
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp
So RS...do You ever lend the cages to friends with good manners???  i am very good at "pretty pleases" and "thank you's", and stuff. 

For you, I would make allowances. 
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
………Damn what's with pretty Red cages, last girl I was with, she described the perfect cage she wanted.  Painted red with rubber coated bars on the sides………

……..It's like anything else there are PRO's and CON's to it.  Cages are not for everybody, all depends upon the people involved.  Personalities and mindsets. 

How true, caging isn’t for everybody.  However, for those that do get caged, a lot of females seem to go for the red cage.  I don’t know it it’s vanity or that the red cage is more like a circus cage and it changes the mood of it.    
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ORIGINAL: KMsAngel
okay, maybe for the mushrooms and black olives i would be willingly confined.

An open mind can be the first step to expanding horizons.  I know you guys got lots of cages down under but do you have Papa John’s Pizza?  We don’t want you living in a cage on just vegemite!
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
Sadly, for me it is just a fantasy.   
Anyone wanna cage me???    Anyone?

It takes a lot of faith, love, self confidence and trust to drag that fantasy into reality in the style of the OP.  However “cage play”, “puppy play”, “naughty prisoner” and “sex slave” are just a few great role playing games that only require a few hours in the cage and can be done at your local dungeon. 
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ORIGINAL: jayded34
submits an application............heaven!

If I lament much more about cages, I’m gonna’ join you and submit and application to myself. 
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ORIGINAL: SlaveSimone
Uhm, where do I sign up? 

It sounds so passionate and so romantic when we aren’t talking about the really naughty and slutty uses for the cage doesn’t it?  Such a flexible tool.   
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ORIGINAL: shadowcd
I wish someone would cage me after reading that post :)   I don't even need the phone or dvds hehe.

There is more than one person posting in this thread that owns a cage.  I seen those rabbit ears in your profile pics.  You put those on and offer to play “run rabbit, run” and I bet you catch someone’s interest.
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ORIGINAL: puppen
I'm not paranoid, Daddy…………..I'm just... Anxious.

Maybe we can put a sticker on your front door, like they have for pets.
The one that alerts fire fighters that there are little Puppens inside.

<--- note to self, sign in window to read “little puppens on second floor in back, inside the red cage”
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ORIGINAL: SlaveSimone
He was considering buying one from a local toymaker at one point... However I don't think he was into the idea enough at that point to pay the kind of money the guy was looking for. I should have tried harder to persuade him >.< 

You can find used human cages for $500 or less sometimes.  Big animal cages with the thick wire are even cheaper.  Look for old transport cages, lion cages and the like.  Check with zoos or animal handlers in your area, there might be a used cage around.  Since animal cages are light, you can always get one from ebay!  This one is $49.
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
<missing my cage now... >

Awwwwwww, you can borrow mine baby!  Did you want to be in it or on it?  LOL
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.....

Exactly, the whole part about keeping somebody out as well.   I was not joking when I said some girls enjoy the comfort and feelings of safety inside their cages.   It becomes their space and special place.  Ironic, almost a place to go hide when they are feeling threaten or have fucked up.

Like I said, there are Pros and Cons to caging.  I do have to agree with chaining being a good alternative to caging.

I realize that this thread was started with the intentions of covering the positives of caging.   All of which RS has been covering in great detail.  There are a few cavets regarding some negatives with caging as well.   I do think I love the three weeks in a cage mindset.   Too much longer and well the sub/slave is starting to feel a little too much right at home.   I think the 3 week mindset RS has going on is a great one, and it's practical.   Sounds like he's aware of some of the negatives or drawbacks even.

I think the OP is rather sane in providing use of a telephone, internet and DVD.  Not only for safety issues, but for mental health as well.  Plus, it covers the Dom/Masters ass as well.  How could somebody possible be charged for wrongful imprisonment of a human being that has been clearly provided phone and internet access?  At least this would make for a great defense in any court, but that's my opinion on the matter.   If somebody becomes that despart to want out of the cage, it sounds like all basis are covered.   I would assume that grounds for release from the M/s relationship are attached to being let out too.  I think RS is somewhat sane in regards to things here.

Sounds like he's put a lot of thought into WTF he's doing, in terms of sane Caging practices.  Some food for thought for anybody who's into caging, considering it, or enjoys this activitity…. [snip] 

I like how on target your reply is.  Some of the following replies explain how the cage “becomes their space and special place.”  Thank you for your compliments and your very comprehensive comments.

About that 3 weeks in cage thing – It truly is an effective tool.  There is cute story that evolved from it.   I had a very stubborn slave (ex domme) once and she was also quite playful.  In public when I would scold her she would reiterate “it’s nothing 3 weeks won’t fix Master” and playfully begin to plead for her life begging to be allowed to continue serving me.  Well, this act was somewhat impressive and that “nothing 3 weeks in a cage won’t fix” became a local expression.  Because she was so stubborn at a dungeon party once, I said she needed “3 weeks in a cage with a goat.”  At the next munch we showed up wearing T-shirts she had made that said:
Hers: “It’s nothing 3 weeks in a cage won’t fix”
His:  “Got Goat?”   (in small letters over the pocket) 
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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
Greetings ya'll,

I've always associated cages with good memories (thinks back to being a little girl and watching gogo dancers on laugh-in) and years back dated a biker that had a cage in his living room(gawd loved it).

As a slave some of my better thinking moments were spent in corner time..it was supposed to be time for introspection not punishment even though as a kid it was punishment and i hated it. there was something comforting in being able to be still for him and to learn about me and what i needed.i had to journal after

one of the best things about being owned was being chained at night and other slaves would give me,' the what if something happens'...well ya know, anything can happen in just about any situation. you can get hurt fallin in the shower on a bar of soap....so are you going to stop taking shower because of the risk involved? I know i'm not.

anyway I digress here...if you truly want to learn to trust someone to the maximum degree

go for it

you just may find exactly what you need in life and the kind of care that you will be given and this will be a defining moment(well more time than that but you get my drift) in your life and the happier a slave is in her Masters hands the better she will serve with more devotion and no fear

Fyre… you hit the nail on the head.  You describe the way isolation works constructively and clears your head.  Also, in an exchange relationship where trust is the one of the biggest keys to success, learning to “trust someone to the maximum degree” is the ultimate goal.  With max trust they just may “find exactly what [they] need in life” in those crystal clear “defining moments”. 

I also read your profile. You said “my submission, imo, is not a gift, it is a need”.  You can play in my arena any day sweetheart.  It is nice to meet like minded people.  You are an awesome person.  Thank you for your comments. 
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
I'm totally rethinking this cage thing....

(dammit, RS... you keep doing that to me!)

You seem to be reconstructing some of your views.  It speaks highly of your intellect and passion.  Good girl… you would look marvelous in a cage! 
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ORIGINAL: xbutterflyx
oh this thread makes me want to visit Sir's cage! ohh i wanna!

My first cage experience was with Sir. Now, it is a ritual. That is my place to sleep and wait for Him. The feeling of sitting there and watching Him lock me away is so hard to describe..and my time alone allows for focus..i hear him, but can't see him. However, i know he is there and i wait for HIM. Oh and seeing him enter the room ...awesome!

For a long stretch there the cage was a daily ritual at my house too.  I miss it very much.  Funny, she said one of the things that touched her most was that without fail, I put fresh water in her bottle every night and she felt loved because of that simple ritual.  After she was secured in the cage, she could hear me patrol the house checking that all the doors and windows were locked.  She said that ritual made her feel protected by me and she felt safe and secure in a cage inside that locked house.
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ORIGINAL: leakylee
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
For me, cages hold no appeal.  Because a cage is also a barrier, the bars not only keep someone in, but also keeps someone out.....

Exactly, the whole part about keeping somebody out as well.   I was not joking when I said some girls enjoy the comfort and feelings of safety inside their cages.   It becomes thier space and special place.  Ironic, almost a place to go hide when they are feeling threaten or have fucked up. 
[snip]

you state alot of truths here. even though my confinement experiences are fairly limited they have been incredible. be it the cage or a closet, the feeling is totally different from being bound. when you hear the lock click oh the door to a cage you are done, you become totally dependent on another person. but you also get to be free. no reason to bluster, no reason to put up the protective walls, all the vulnerabilites can come out.

it also can give you a place to be alone. to spend time with yourself. to reenergize.. a mini vacation. not a fanatasy break, but moments just for me. moments that i get to be dependent again. i get to surrender control for a short time. i dont know that anything refreshes my mind and soul like that.

Thank you  lee.  This is the essence of what I am talking about and you said it so well describing the difference between the chain and the cage.
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ORIGINAL: puppen
Hey now... I trust him.

Being a little nervous is normal for a "virgin".

You’ll do fine baby, I will help you.  I will show you the way because you want to succeed.  It’ll be easy because you are smart and have a good heart.

-=My Lil Red Cage=-
My cage has been a sanctuary, a shelter, a refuge, a comfort and to one girl it literal was a “home” for 6 months.  It has been a monument to love, a symbol of trust and a test of faith.  It has been a tool to open minds, deconstruct personalities and then reconstruct them.  That cage has been a hammer, anvil and a forge that melted, shaped and strengthen the constitution of more than one slave and relationship.  That cage has been an adventure into some very, very dark fantasy and role play.  Dark even by my standards!  That cage has transformed humans into objects.  It has transformed masochists into “its” to be beaten and tortured.  It has transformed females into mere “things” to be fucked and used by anyone of any sex or species that Master chooses.  It has transformed freedom lovers into captive “prisoners” to serve their captor’s dark desires.  It has transformed young girls into non-speaking “animals” trained as obedient and sexy pets. 

But best of all, that cage has transformed some of my partners into loving and respectful slaves that learned to cherish the relationship.




TheBanshee -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 8:56:23 PM)

Is it really really warm in here?




sasseeNshy -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/17/2008 9:48:42 PM)

Wow.......(hot, yes)  I find this post personally resonates with me.......I can count using my fingers, toes and all else that has a twin of those desires, butt, butt....dayum.........hot, hot!! Speechless




StormsSlave -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/18/2008 11:23:47 PM)

So, if I don't want to get in a cage for my master due to some really awful confinement experiences as a child, then I'm topping from the bottom? Hmmm...nice armchair psychology, there. It was your father that had the degree, right?

Anyway, good thing for me that My Lord doesn't need to forever be proving his dominance over me. It's a constant that runs through our relationship that doesn't have to be proven to be there. It just is.

My submission to him doesn't have to be proven, either. !t also just is.

shrug. Everyone has their own thing, and if this makes some folks happy, I say more power to them. My Lord and I do things our way, and it suits us. Here's hoping for all happiness for you and your puppen. Cheers.




GreedyTop -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/18/2008 11:29:05 PM)

*wonders if theres room for TWO in the cage....*




ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/19/2008 1:31:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StormsSlave
So, if I don't want to get in a cage for my master due to some really awful confinement experiences as a child, then I'm topping from the bottom? Hmmm...nice armchair psychology, there. It was your father that had the degree, right? ……….. My Lord and I do things our way, and it suits us. Here's hoping for all happiness for you and your puppen. Cheers.

Thank you for you good wishes and happiness towards puppen and I.  We are doing great.  We have already worked out one of puppen’s phobias and she is now orgasmic for the first time in her life.  (yeah team)  She holds very high promise for being successful in a TPE style relationship because she is willing to fix her curable phobias… even the ones caused by “really awful experiences as a child.”  We are a successful team.  She is learning a lot of things fast and looks forward to some cage time.  That girl fits my style just fine!!!

I am glad you and your Lord have your own personal style worked out.  I feel that the cornucopia of BDSM is like a box of relationship resource tools.  You should grab the ones you like and the ones you need to make your own style.  Which is exactly what it sounds like you and your Lord have done.  Best wishes to you both. 

As far as your misinterpretation of what I said, don’t be silly… what I said was if you don’t want to get counseling to fix your curable phobia (even those “caused by some really awful confinement experiences as a child”) and that phobia interferes with your ability to conduct a relationship, then it is unacceptable to me.  I reiterate, any phobia that interferes with the relationship is unacceptable to me.

If puppen hadn’t wanted to fix her broken squirter and gave me excuses instead, listing all the reasons why she couldn’t cum, justifying her reason for clinging to the phobia, I wouldn’t have become interest in her.  She would have been an emotionally disturbed loser in my book.  What Master wants a slave chic that clings to her phobias?  Instead of copping out, she risked failure and faced it head on by connecting to me, following me and finally having an orgasm.  By following me like that, we opened a lot of doors between us and we fell in love.  Now, she's coming to Florida in 12 days to "test drive" a TPE style relationship with me and curl up all cozy in a pretty red cage for a while.

I am sure that your relationship suffers no loss for the lack of a cage and you are happy living it in the style you so choose.  If you reread my reply, I think you will see that I clearly drew a line between relationship styles and behaviors.  I am just guessing but, I am pretty sure your Lord is glad your phobia is of cages instead of orgasms.  In my world (if you haven't already guessed by the OP), cages, chains, pierced property tags, notched ears, branding, tattoos and things that are a facsimile of ownership are as important to me as orgasms.  They are the sacred rituals and means by which I express my love, passion and sex in BDSM terms to my partners. If a phobia prevents that, then it prevents the exchange of my kind of love, passion and sex.  It prevents my kind relationship and there won't be one. 

No matter how you try to dress it up semantically, clinging to bad mental health and using it as an excuse to control situations in a relationship is abusive and topping from the bottom.  Instead, good mental health and discipline should be used to get over “curable phobias” that interfere with relationships.  It is the respectful thing to do for yourself and your Master.  Without discipline, you do not give your master control, you give him chaos and that’s emotionally abusive.

As far as my personal credentials, my curriculum vitae is not required to prove simple logic in good mental health practice anymore than a mathematician needs credentials to prove 2+2 = 4.  That doesn’t take a leap of faith inspired by credentials for something incomprehensible.  It only takes good common sense.  I do not hold a PHD in psychology and never implied I did.  But I am one the better counselors you will ever meet and was employed professional as such for many years.  And, I have changed the quality of life, perspectives and outlooks for each of my fellow CMers that I have spoken with on the phone.  Puppen’s squirter is not the only repair or adjustments I have made around here.  Rumors are that I got a real nice “armchair” baby!

Good luck with your childhood issue even if it doesn’t interfere with your relationship, you have my empathy and best wishes.




WyldHrt -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/19/2008 2:46:22 AM)

I have to go with Kalon on this one. The cage isn't the issue, one's willingness to confront painful past experiences and work through them is. It takes total trust in your partner to surrender yourself so completely to his care, and even more to communicate honestly about your fears of doing so. A good Dom (my definition) will listen to what you say, what you mean, and what you didn't even know you said... and make up his own mind.
Just sayin.

Room for 2? Ummm is there room for 3, Greedy?




SilentTigresss -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/19/2008 5:37:24 AM)

My goodness! i enjoyed every angle, every bit of this thread. Will leave it at that, without doing into long details.
But, first, thank you Resident for the seed that planted all this. i do have a question i'd like to ask your opinion on......... what about a dog kennel ?  Even if to just start out with/on?
i can make it pretty and all....




SilentTigresss -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/19/2008 5:39:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SilentTigresss

My goodness! i enjoyed every angle, every bit of this thread. Will leave it at that, without "doing" into long details.
But, first, thank you Resident for the seed that planted all this. i do have a question i'd like to ask your opinion on......... what about a dog kennel ?  Even if to just start out with/on?
i can make it pretty and all....


See ?!! does mis-spelling give away the faster heartbeat after reading this?  lol
That would be GOING, not DOING.   [:)]




jade01 -> RE: -=Caged Perspectives=- (7/19/2008 8:23:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jayded34

submits an application............heaven!


i do not know how many Applications are in now...but hands mine over as well...the heck with cold showers!Going to take an ice bath..geez.
 
jade




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