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Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 4:04:45 PM   
Vendaval


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posted July 01 2008, 2:18 pm
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A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal, Inc. website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers (video also shown below).
This bracelet would:
 
• Take the place of an airline boarding pass
• Contain personal information about the traveler
• Be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage
• Shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/

Link to letter from DHS

http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/img/blogs/entry_img/2008/Jul/08/Homeland_Security_Letter_1_-_JUL2006.pdf

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 4:13:57 PM   
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The first question is where and when can I buy a couple of them.

The second thing that comes to mind after the obvious civil rights issues is, how secure is the control point going to be?  Is each aircraft going to have its own control panel to "stun" indivduals?  I can see how this could be used to subdue an entire flight, while a select few take control of a plane (after they have removed their own bracelets of course).

This should be an interesting thing to watch over time.

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 4:24:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not just have these devices inserted under the skin of anybody convicted of violent crime?  For that matter, how about a healthy debate on these things for anyone who's been convicted of anything?  Why don't the police recommend that parents go ahead and beat the curve and have them apply them to their own children (for the child's safety of course)?  For that matter, if we could zap all people who are risky, let's just go ahead and make it mandatory for all taxpayers.  That way, we could see a diminishing growth in the price of our insurance premiums.  Like electronic voting, there would be even less of a paper trail if certain people got zapped by "error" and what a time they'd have proving that they were indeed zapped!  I guess by the time all of that happens, the U.S.A. will have successfully 'reformed' tort law to the point that it won't be a viable option to sue the private companies who "monitor" the zapping board and its inmates.  At least we know that'll be one company to buy stock in, because for sure, they're going to get all the no-bid contracts domestically and abroad.  Heil CFR!!!


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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 6:04:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Thadius.  If you wish to purchase some for your slave -

http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/video_gallery.asp?video=http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/video/EMDsafetybracelet.flv&title=

The civil rights issues are very important.  The Human Society is opposed to the use of these EMD devices on animals.

"The Humane Society of United States Statement on the Use of Electro-Muscular Disruption Devices"

April 14, 2006

"The following is The Humane Society of the United States' position on the use of electro-muscular disruption devices against animals.

The Humane Society of the United States is opposed to the use of Electro-Muscular Disruption (EMD) devices in the capture, control, or handling of animals. The false implication that because they are "non-lethal" they are "safe" may lead humane and law enforcement agencies toward unnecessary reliance on EMD devices.  We strongly discourage animal control and other law enforcement agents from the use of these devices as a substitute or supplement to current acceptable animal handling tools or techniques.

The animal control field already has established tools and methods for handling animals within a non-lethal framework."

http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/statement_electro_muscular_devices.html


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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 6:19:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		That site has lots of fun looking toys... but none of the bracelets, yet.

Then again, a simple shout of her name has the same effect.  I just thought the added idea of a tracking system seemed kind of cool.

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 6:23:27 PM   
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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 6:41:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		this is ridcolous...the airline thinks they are herding sheep those "bawstids"...in any case why doesn't homeland security try putting an anal shocker on their fellow co-workers to make sure no one conspires agains the US Government from the inside and then and only then, they should think about giving us those useless bracelets which will only help potential terrorists control the plane once they control the panel.....pure genious. Next!

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 7:19:51 PM   
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http://www.stockroom.com/b704.htm 
 
One of my boys has this one, makes for interesting times.

http://www.stockroom.com/10-Function-Wireless-Remote-Controlled-Vibrating-Egg-P2746.aspx


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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/17/2008 10:52:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		We recently had a thread on this that PAHunk started. Its a GREAT idea. Much less invasive or destructive than the current plans. Would you rather be blown out of the sky by an F/A-18 or asphixiated by the pilots? As for giving the flight crew that much control - rest assured the pilots could very easily with a few switches and knobs - kill everyone in the passenger cabin. Now obviously, this is not a reccomended procedure and it would take a hell of a lot of explaining and would probably result in criminal charges depending on the circumstances- but it is something that the flight crew has the ability to do to you. The pilots can quite literally go on oxygen and depressurize the cabin asphixiating all aboard simply by pulling the breaker to disarm the passenger O2 masks. and then setting the cabin altitude to ambient pressure. If they dont want to hear the annoying warning horns, pull those breakers too.  Ordinarily in a accidental decompression the pilot descends to an altitude that will sustain life but there is no reason that technologically he couldnt stay on 02 and complete his transatlantic flight to land with a planeload of frozen asphixiated corpses. The pilots are extremely responsible individuals who are already entrusted with your very life, so there is no reason they cant be entrusted with the ability to stun a particular passenger. Cops carry tasers / stun guns and they have far less training and responsibility than an airline flight crew.   

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 12:43:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		We all take chances when boarding an aircraft, train, bus or automobile.  The driver, conductor, pilot, and/or crew could obviously cause harm to the passengers throught various means already but that is not the point of the article. 
 
There is no way in HELL would I give someone the possibility of using a taser on me or anyone in my family, household, etc.  
 
 

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 12:51:23 AM   
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Knock-out gas would be a more effective alternative.

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 12:55:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

We all take chances when boarding an aircraft, train, bus or automobile.  The driver, conductor, pilot, and/or crew could obviously cause harm to the passengers throught various means already but that is not the point of the article. 
 
There is no way in HELL would I give someone the possibility of using a taser on me or anyone in my family, household, etc.  
 
 


Damn there goes that fantasy.... but V I think you would look great in one of those modified shock collars...

But just for fun here are a couple of idiots playing with one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-17489808456818080

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 1:00:18 AM   
Vendaval


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Wrong side of the collar, Thadius.   Been thinking about puppy play with one of the slaves though...

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 1:04:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hell maybe putting the collars on all of the pets, and placing the remotes in various areas of the bed under the sheets while you have a little fun of your own with your other half might be entertaining.  Just saying...

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 1:15:40 AM   
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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 1:19:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was refering to the human type pets...

Although I am sure a remote shock collar might take care of the pesky cat too.

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 2:13:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

We all take chances when boarding an aircraft, train, bus or automobile.  The driver, conductor, pilot, and/or crew could obviously cause harm to the passengers throught various means already but that is not the point of the article. 
 
There is no way in HELL would I give someone the possibility of using a taser on me or anyone in my family, household, etc.  
 
 


Then dont ever let any member of your family leave the compound...  the police has them., so does fire and EMS. A lot of school security and teachers have them, as do some of the bouncers at various bars and clubs... All of these people are have substantially less training, restraint, or professional discipline than an airline pilot.

The fact that you are already entrusting your fate to the flight crew is indeed relevant to the discussion. The device in question is a FAR safer alternative to deal with a situation the agressive manevering. I know more than one airline pilot who plans to "put them on the fucking ceiling" if there is another hijacking. If that happens, people are going to be injured or killed.. I think being tasered will cause less hard to your loved ones than catching a flying drink cart with their teeth. Funny thing about weightless parabola (vomit comet) flights, what floats up - will come down ... HARD! There is a reason why NASA's vomit comets are essentially padded rooms with no loose objects... If faced with a terrorist breaching the cockpit door, I dont think any pilot would hesitate to depressurize... If they did and control of the aircraft was seized, a fighter pilot will do his duty and blow them out of the sky if ordered to.

Faced with at the least serious injury or at worst being turned into a flying fireball at FL350, your loved ones are a hell of a lot safer recieving a shock from a non-lethal device. Being tasered is NOT so bad. When they authorized them on our vol. depts ambulances and fire apparatus, we had to use it on each other. All of the police using such devices have also been tasered themselves, with no ill effects.

I would MUCH rather a loved one of mine recieve a zap from a taser than that they are blown from the sky with a Sidewinder missle.

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 2:43:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tazers are fine Aviator; remote controlled shock bracelets locked on my arm are not okay.  I don't understand this willingness you have to let other people have power over you like that.  Everytime we take away dignity and liberty from American citizens to save ourselves from terrorists, than we are giving them exactly what they wanted.  All of this reactionary security that people are calling for is completely unnecessary. 

If you watch that video that the company selling those bracelets produced, you'll see how idiotic it is.  They propose a scenario where terrorists have managed to smuggle plastic explosives on board the plane, and are trying to breach the cockpit door.  Well how the hell is a shock collar going to stop someone from pressing the detonator switch on a bunch of explosives?  I can just see a flight attendant squaring off with a determined terrorist pointing her lazer activator for the bracelet at him.  "Drop that detonator or I'll taze you, buddy!"  To which the terrorist replies, "Go ahead bitch, I'll push this switch and blow up the whole plane!"  I don't see how bracelets like that would have stopped the 9/11 hijackers.  It wasn't just one guy taking over the plane.  If you watch the video, the flight attendent has to aim the lazer at the person wearing the bracelet to activate it.  How were the flight attendents going to manage doing that to all the hijackers before they overpowered them?  Besides that, I don't think anyone on an airliner would just sit there and allow Arabs armed with box cutters to take over a plane again.  The motherfuckers wouldn't make it to the cockpit before the rest of the passengers beat them to death.  Hell look what happened to that shoe bomber guy.  No tazer needed, the passengers took care of his ass. 

As for unruly passengers getting drunk or lashing out, a regular handheld tazer is sufficient enough for those instances.  Everyone on the plane shouldn't have to wear a damn shock collar like a dog just because of what some jackass might do. 

I don't want the government having power over me like that.  I don't trust them, and it's the responsibility of every American citizen to keep the governement from overstepping their boundaries.  Conformity and giving up liberty for safety are not part of American culture, and it should never be allowed to become that way. 

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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 3:09:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I don't want the government having power over me like that.  I don't trust them, and it's the responsibility of every American citizen to keep the governement from overstepping their boundaries.  Conformity and giving up liberty for safety are not part of American culture, and it should never be allowed to become that way. 


I believe the term you are looking for is 'extortion'.  As in, the mob coming in, busting up your store, making you pay them and pander to their whims to 'protect you'. 


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RE: Potential Electronic ID Bracelet for air travelers - 7/18/2008 3:28:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you would wear an EMD device or let anyone you loved wear one?  And entrust complete strangers with the power of being shocked?  That is your choice to make.
 
Given how often airport security misses potential weapons in baggage and how often baggage goes missing why should passengers entrust the airlines with EMD devices?

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