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how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 2:57:45 PM   
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I have acquired a "bullwhip" from a friend of mine that thought of it only as a joke but I see a much needed use for this. Its leather and approx 6 feet in length with a split tail on the business end. I was just wondering how to use the thing? Just playing around with it and I hit myself with it! I would love any input as too the proper way to use this? I'm sure it would do some damage which is what I'm looking for but want to protect my man at the same time. Any ideas? Has anyone used one of these?
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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 3:02:50 PM   
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how to use a whip?  lots of space and very carefully! 
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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 3:14:43 PM   
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seriousareyou,
 
Are there possiblely any clubs, or others in the lifestyle (Dom/mes) locally who do demos, hold classes?
This is always helpful in learning a new tool of the trade, from what I have heard.
 
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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 3:25:13 PM   
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A word to the wise: wear safety glasses whilst you are practising.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 5:57:56 PM   
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I vaguely remember reading about the physics of a whip, but if I recall correctly, the last flickers of power are the difference between a strong hit and the first creation to break the sound barrier.  If you intend to use it before you know what you're doing, start small and light.  Ensure you're accurate by hitting a fairly small target repeatedly. (A cup, a book, a baseball..) 

Remember that even in play, a fully powered swing is rarely the desired effect, as a well made whip could easily lash through skin, fat, and muscle.

I'd buy a small whip and buy progressively larger ones until you feel comfortable with a six foot weapon.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 6:16:06 PM   
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May I suggest that you get a video by one of the Masters of the whip?  David Morgan is considered one of the best by many people and he has videos on his web site.

http://www.davidmorgan.com/index.php?cPath=7_187_192_201

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 6:48:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
A word to the wise: wear safety glasses whilst you are practising.


I'll second this advice and add, do a LOT of practicing on inanimate objects before you even think about using one on a person.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 6:54:47 PM   
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Singletail isn't something I decided I enjoyed much, so take these recommendations with a grain of salt -- The person who showed me loved whips, and he was amazingly exciting. My whip-info is pretty boring, but relatively functional (which mirrors my capacity.... boring but functional). The easiest way to practice is outdoors. First practice getting the flow of the length under control, then start practicing on things like grass, flowers, leaves, etc., to start learning how to target the end.

The biggest issue with a singletail or bullwhip is that you need a -lot- of room to swing it...I was taught that the 'free space' to work a whip needs to be the length of the whip plus the length of your arm plus 1-2 feet in a 360 degree arc in front, behind, and above. (other folks may have different calculations -- this is just what I was taught to make sure you didn't hit anyone or break anything). The distance moves from 2' down to 1' as you get better control of the whip -- at first, make sure you have maximum clearance, wear heavy pants and a long-sleeved, somewhat loose top, and, as someone mentioned, goggles until you can control where that "business end" of the whip is going.

The crack of the whip happens when the business end goes faster than the speed of sound, usually by a sudden, forced reversal of the direction of the curve ahead of the end. Once you can control the singletail, this is the next fun step... getting the whip to crack consistently, where you want and when you want. The crack is also strictly for effect -- when using the whip on someone or something. One thing I learned, though, is if you want a full-power strike, don't let the end crack before hitting your target... if you want to slow the whip down a bit before it hits your target, let the end crack, and hit the target after the crack.

Before you use the whip on a person, develop your touch on things like flower petals, pillows, and water balloons.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 9:09:29 PM   
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quote:

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I have acquired a "bullwhip" from a friend of mine that thought of it only as a joke but I see a much needed use for this. Its leather and approx 6 feet in length with a split tail on the business end. I was just wondering how to use the thing? Just playing around with it and I hit myself with it! I would love any input as too the proper way to use this? I'm sure it would do some damage which is what I'm looking for but want to protect my man at the same time. Any ideas? Has anyone used one of these?


Just take it and start using it; it'll be second nature to you in no time.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/19/2008 11:54:12 PM   
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Wear a helmet.

Find someone who knows how to throw one and have them physically show you.

Wear a helmet.

Find someone who knows how to throw one to have a conversation with you about where to hit.

Wear a helmet.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 12:20:48 AM   
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I would suggest getting a signal whip 3 to 4 ft.  Anything longer than that you need huge amount of space or outdoors.  Bull whips are mostly for putting on shows in my experience.  The longer the whip, the more momentum when it gets to the cracker. When it cracks, that crack is the cracker or maybe in your case the tongue, breaking the sound barrier.  It is moving very fast.

If  you are part of a group in your area, I would ask around.  Someone experienced will generally be happy to give tips, lessons, demos.  If not, there might me a class around you.


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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 1:02:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
Wear a helmet.

Find someone who knows how to throw one and have them physically show you.

Wear a helmet.

Find someone who knows how to throw one to have a conversation with you about where to hit.

Wear a helmet.

Master Fire


And just in case Master Fire forgot to mention it, wear a helmet.  Or at least a cowboy hat.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 11:51:52 AM   
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go outside , in a clear area , hang a paper towel as your target and alotta time behind the tail . Try to rip off small target areas , then try to just kiss the paper towel with out ripping it .and wear a helmet with eye protection .
Yes there are  some single tail classes given at many of the leather bdsm  gatherings though i do not know every event s line up of presentors . check out the bdsm events page DOT com for a gathering near you . Know you will hit yourself in learning more than you shall hit your target at first .The suggestion  in learning a smaller snake whip is a good one then work your way up to a bull whip.just know you shall have to put in your time to get good/better .

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 12:20:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Venatrix

A word to the wise: wear safety glasses whilst you are practising.


Excellent advice. Absolutely wear glasses or safety glasses.

I also agree that the shorter singletails are the most practical, and they're the most accurate, as well. I have a 4-ft. signal whip that I just love. The downside is the fall and cracker are braided into the body of the whip, so you have to send them back for repairs when you need a new one.

And the other thing is that pillows with a nap--say velvet--are useful practice targets; you can see how your strike landed. The ideal that has been touted is a short little mark as opposed to a long welt. Some people are naturals, but not many are willing to put in the practice that kind of proficiency usually takes; it seems around here that a 4- or 5-inch welt is perfectly acceptable and those Dom/mes get a lot of play. The paper towel that was suggested to practice on is a good test--when you can put the popper through without tearing the towel, you're there. I've been using the singletail for 8 or 9 years, and don't do it consistently even when I'm in good form. But then, I'm not a natural.

Singletails are just so damn sexy, aren't they?

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 12:35:34 PM   
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Sunny > i have several whips and single tails though only one has the cracker braided  into it , all the others have replaceable crackers . As this tool can exchange fluids aka blood transfer the braided cracker is only used upon me , by a trusted wielder .When i use a whip on another the cracker is replaced and its easy to do .
As far as using a velvet pillow  sure that can work yet i am cheap and was going through too many pillows when first learning  and switched to cheap garage sale  fuzzy stuffed animals  lol  the muppets  seemed to like it too  . and they were  5 cents to a dollar  .

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 12:45:42 PM   
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Oh Jesus.  Can there really be so much bad information in so small a space?  This is my small bit of knowledge, gleaned from more that a few years of whipcracking (both in Western Arts and D/s realms).  Take what you will, but PLEASE ignore the previous posts, or most of them.  They are largely bullcrap.  

I love the fact that most of the replies to this question start out with "I don't really know..." or "I don't like whips much but..."  At least those folks are honest.   The "just try it and you will get the feel" is stupid and I suspect the writings of a nasty moron who wants you to hurt yourself. 

That all said, here's a little bit of getting started:

Three Maxims:   MAXIM ONE:  A whip is a tool.  Cheap tools are rarely useful.  Well made tools are good and get the job done, but they are expensive.

MAXIM TWO:  A whip is stupid.  It will do ONLY AND EXACTLY what you tell it to do.  If you tell the whip to snap forward and then back and cut your cheek, it will do that.  If you tell it to punch thru a paper target and go 1/2 foot further than you intended, it will do that, too.

MAXIM THREE:  A whip carves out a three dimentional spherical space with a radius equal to the complete length of the whip (from butt to the tip of the cracker) PLUS your extended arm length.   ANYTHING IN THAT SPACE WILL BE HIT BY THE WHIP.  Make sure your whip space is TOTALLY CLEAR of anything but yourself before practicing.

OK...Got it?  Now:

First, about your "bullwhip".  I wish you could post a link to a picture, because there are 1000s of cheap leather whips (most originate in Mexico, some in Eastern Europe) that will NOT ever crack or respond well.   Regrettably, I think you have one of those (and I think this because "a friend" is unlikely to casually give away a well made whip which would cost at least $150, and usually much more).   If your whip is a cheap rolled leather knock-off, hang it up and never use it except as part of your Halloween costume.   Get a decent whip and begin to learn.

Second, I would learn on a 3 or 4 foot snake whip.  NOT A SIGNAL WHIP, as Surrenderforme helpfully but incorrectly suggests (and the reason she is wrong is explained below).  A snake whip is a simple coiled whip with a straight throw from butt to a short fall, and the cracker is attached to the fall.   (If you don't know what these terms mean, read up.)  The whip has virtually no handle.  Why do I recommend a snake whip?  Two key reasons:  First, they are the easiest "target" whip to learn to throw, and ultimately if you use a whip on a partner, you are doing "target cutting".  Second, if you play indoors in a dungeon space or a bedroom, a 4" snake whip is about the longest you will be able to use safely (and even then, its difficult). Review MAXIM No. Three -- the whipspace you will be creating is unlikely to be workable much beyond 3 -4 feet.  Finally, with an easily removable cracker, you can learn to throw the whip, mess up the cracker a dozen times (which you will) and then easily replace it with a new cracker.  In a signal whip, the cracker is woven into the whip itself, and replacement takes some skill.

Third, I'd get a couple of good whip books and a whip video and STUDY THEM WELL.   I'm not fond of David Morgan -- yes, he's possibly the greatest living American whipmaker (by the way, he's 83 now) but he is adamantly scene-unfriendly.  If you are gonna whip other people (and we KNOW you are) why not keep your whip dollars in the community?   I like Roger Steven's Video a lot.  It is 110 minutes, covers just about EVERYTHING and includes several scenes where whips are used on his willing target, marcy.  If you want a whip cracking vid you can watch with the kids in the room, I like "THE ART OF THE BULLWHIP" which is widely available.  It shows a lot of clever stunt whipcracks that you can aspire to.

And finally, YES....wear protective gear.  At minium:  A long sleeved fairly heavy (denim or canvas) shirt.  Jeans.  Safety glasses.  A cowboy hat.   I never actually wore a helmet, but you might need to if you have a propensity for cracking hard downward (which will snap your whip hard UPward).  WEAR THE GEAR, Bucko.  Or else before you touch a whip, walk around your average "Western Arts" fair, and count the number of scars on forheads, noses, chins and arms.  

Have fun.  This makes me want to go outside and cut some leaves off the trees *GRIN*

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 12:50:46 PM   
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Safety glasses or face shields for anyone within range, including yourself.

Start with extreme caution, and work your way up from there, gradually.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 5:04:47 PM   
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I also suggest wearing long sleeves and long pants...I can't tell you the whip marks I had on my calves from my first practice session...and that was with a master user standing with me...*I really suck at whip throwing to this day and never use them on live targets...sigh, maybe one day I'll get it*.  Now mind you the maso in me loved the whip marks on my calves, but well, not everyone is a sadist and a masochist all rolled into one...

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 5:17:33 PM   
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Get used to hitting yourself with it.  It's going to happen, so learn to go with the flow.   Michelle Pfeiffer complained bitterly about how many times she hit herself with the whip studying for her role as Catwoman even though she was under the tutelage of one of the best whip masters in the world.

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RE: how to use a whip - 7/20/2008 5:36:10 PM   
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I do not know where you are located but here in Dallas is a fellow named Sebastian who gives demos and runs a whip crackers group.. he gives demos at many leather events if you can get to one of those you will learn all you need to know.

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