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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 6:16:02 PM   
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I don't understand either, if all you wanted to do was ask a rhetorical question, a personal journal seems the much more proper place to discuss these thoughts you have.  Or off topic?

Personally I agree that publicly stating someone you've blocked, and then not only unblocking them but immediately stating that you had unblocked them is a cheap immature online snipe, whether you intended it to be perceived that way or not.

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 7:26:53 PM   
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naming the person strikes me in poor taste.

Agreed.


But it is a wonderful way to let him see how much he is getting to ya!


Oh, is that it? I thought the op was to let Micheal know he had been blocked, oh and that he can't spell Lumus.

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 7:34:45 PM   
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I'd represent that I know for sure one thing. There are too many people who take CM posts WAY too seriously. At the same time they forget that the title of this site attracts sadists, both real and self identified. The combination of those too things is what keeps it interesting.

Gotta make one more point, and agree with GT, that it is amazing that even with the 180 turn around love-fest between the OP and Michael, this is the longest time I've ever seen a name naming post live.

I consider Michael a GOOD friend. We've spent time together and he's recently come and stayed with beth and I. I think it would be safe to say that, politically at least, we agree nothing. We've had some good debates. What makes him a friend is that we respect each other. We both have the confidence to not have to agree with a person on everything in order to enjoy hanging out with them. Michael is also is just a damn good person.

I think there are a lot of 'damn good people' here on CM. I hold out representing that I 'KNOW' that, even with my CM 'friends', until, like Michael and others, I meet them in person. Those CM 'Friends' are a mix of people who we know, people we'd like to know, and some people we'll never know. Just like replying to each and every CM email, we've added everyone who's made a request to be a 'Friend'. Why? - Why not? Maybe they want to check our our journal, maybe they enjoy seeing our pictures. That's what they are there for, to be seen. We love meeting people and wish we could meet everyone we've interacted with on CM. That would apply as much, if not more, to the people we've been in disagreement than agreement. Were I every to win the $125 Million lottery next week I'd sponsor a gathering and pay pick up the tab for anyone interested in coming.  That's because in our experience, with one exception, in person has been even better than CM interaction.

When it comes to 'blocking' that just represents a whole other problem. It's the internet. It's 0 and 1's. We're not living in the Matrix. Have the confidence to be amused and/or laugh any post directed to you. Having words emotionally effect you that much is a symptom of needing to back away from the computer and go out and smell the pollution.

Sure, CM is supposed to be informative; it should also be FUN.

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 7:58:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tsatske

MasterFireMaam, I read your posts on two differant internet boards. As far as I know, you have never said you were an alkie, nor any other practiconer of the twelve steps, and I don't remeber your identifying youself as such on either of the profiles that I know of.
However, if you keep speaking with such clear logic and sense, people are going to come to that conclusion about you, none the less. Has to do with me and my stuff, actually, in that, since I am one, when I hear someone speak like that, i tend to think that they are one, too.


*chuckle* I make sense, so I must be a recovering alcoholic? I've never heard that one!

I drink on the rarest of occassions and have never been drunk. I don't do drugs and haven't even been high on pot. I don't smoke...a try to do very little liquid sugar and no caffiene. Don't drink, don't smoke, what do I do? Sex, energy, chocolate, blood, SM and Master/slave!

I have been, however, the daugher and wife of alcoholics, have had psychological issues surrounding it and have attended exactly two ALANON meetings (after which I concluded I didn't need them). You see, my 12 step programs, so to speak, have been Butchmanns and the Master/slave community, through which I've gotten to know the most spiritually aware people I've ever met. I am blessed to have found them...and they've led me to other sources such as Carolyn Myss and the like.

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 8:28:20 PM   
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You see, my 12 step programs, so to speak, have been Butchmanns and the Master/slave community, through which I've gotten to know the most spiritually aware people I've ever met. I am blessed to have found them...and they've led me to other sources such as Carolyn Myss and the like.


Ditto here, learning to beat women has been MY spiritual path to becoming a vastly better person than I was a decade ago before I began doing BDSM consensually.  I have learned a great deal here as well and with my dual consciences, BSB and Mod 11, to faithfully guide me, I have even learned to play fairly well with others.

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 10:07:44 PM   
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Lumus and I have been talking off the boards and have decided to set whatever issues we had aside.  He explained to me that he was trying to discuss how our knowledge and comprehension can be stunted by emotional investment/irritation with someone.  It took guts to admit he thought someone as amazing/talented, and of course modest like myself was a full blown nitwit, but seriously, taking on someone who is well liked by many and calling on them on their shit was ballsy and I respect him for that.  I project stuff all the time into my post, prior to meeting BSB I was a much more aggressive and angry asshole and beauty certainly tamed a bit of the beast I was.  
 
So lets turn this into a good discussion as it was intended to be, a discussion on how disagreeing with the person sometimes blinds us to the truth they may be offering.  I sure as hell know I am guilty of doing that both here and in real life.  I am now doing yoga and in my youth I would have blown it off because there is this amazing guy there who insists on taking OUR class but doing his own moves to show off.  I would have lost out on the opportunity to take and learn from the teacher and instead indulged my petulant child.  I let it irritate me for a bit but didn't leave and now just ignore him.  May not sound like massive growth to some people but it is for me and I am now doing an hour and a half of yoga six days a week and loving it. 

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RE: I know... - 7/20/2008 10:23:48 PM   
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I have experianced your anger and "in my opinion", lack of delicacy directed at me. *shrugs* I will admit that it irked me... but I did not lash back out at you. Sometimes taking the high road is much harder to do. Life is a learning experiance.

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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 12:43:15 AM   
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Beeee the ballllll. Nanananananan....

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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 12:54:26 AM   
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I’m serious that if Micheal & Lumus get any more mushy, they’ll have to kiss and make up… then I’ll puke in my mouth. 

yeah yeah.. I know.  Luv you both... kiss my butt. 

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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 1:20:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit
I come off sounding 100% when I am only 55%, or believing something alway is true when I simply think it is sometimes true.  I consider it to be a character flaw related to dominance. 
Another part of the problem is first impressions.   I am pretty sure that this is something that evolved in all creatures.  In the kill or be killed days, we needed the ability to make first impressions FAST.  If we took too long deciding what is going on, then a predator could attack before we made up our mind.

I tend to agree that often dominance is engaged before any other tackle both here on the forums and in its parallel umiverse out here called real life.
Atavism is one thing. BUT it takes a great deal longer to sit and wait for all the smileys to load, (even depending on fast download speeds).  It takes even longer to create a pictographic attack on someone. It's the equivalent to drawing an oxblood cave dwelling picture on a cave wall simply to tell them they are a drama queen..
Believe me: some sarcastic feedback here is a lengthy drawn out, unwarranted and pre-meditated attack.



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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 1:24:18 AM   
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Fast reply not having read past the 1st page. -laughs-
 
I agree that naming people is in bad form and out right attacking them (which I have seen ALOT of lately on these boards) is even worse.
 
I take alot of what is said online in general with a grain of salt. It is far to easy for people to say and do things here that they would NEVER dare say or do in real life. When I post I try to think before I type and not react or post on emotion, I always try to put thought into what I say and to be tactful although that does not mean I wont be cold or sarcastic.
 
I learned along time ago that I can't control how people respond to me, my posts or my profile I can only control how I respond to them. The moment I respond to them in a manner that is beneath me personally, I have given some perfect stranger control over me and I refuse to do that.
 
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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 8:38:26 AM   
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quote:

So lets turn this into a good discussion as it was intended to be, a discussion on how disagreeing with the person sometimes blinds us to the truth they may be offering.  I sure as hell know I am guilty of doing that both here and in real life.  I am now doing yoga and in my youth I would have blown it off because there is this amazing guy there who insists on taking OUR class but doing his own moves to show off.  I would have lost out on the opportunity to take and learn from the teacher and instead indulged my petulant child.  I let it irritate me for a bit but didn't leave and now just ignore him.  May not sound like massive growth to some people but it is for me and I am now doing an hour and a half of yoga six days a week and loving it. 


Michael, we've tangled assholes a few times and I've walked away thinking "what a jackass" (ok, I toned that down) but because it is the written word and pretty much there for posterity I do re-read what pissed me off so badly in the first place and have gleaned little bits of wisdom and walked away a better person for it. So yeah, I can see how someone would or could just get their hackles up and blow off what a certain poster says simply because they are angry with them, and in a lot of instances the anger is misguided and they are missing a LOT by not really reading it and trying to understand what is being said. It's an excellent point Lumus. And the mentioning of a certain person's name for your example? Well, it made sense to me and Michael is a big boy and quite capable of taking care of himself. I didn't see it as an attack, I saw it as open and honest. I mean, really.... there has been a few times when I have had to agree with something someone I had a long standing "grrrrrr.... what an idiot" type relationship with and I'm not afraid to say "Who are you and what have you done with such-n-such?"!!
 
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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 12:49:41 PM   
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I read this thread this morning, and then again this afternoon.  Oddly enough, the concept wasn't lost to Me, though that might be because I've been thinking about some similar fringe issues Myself.  I was thinking of starting a thread of My own based on them.  It's something I still might do if I'm not connecting the same meaning with what happens during the course of this thread.

In the vastness of the Collar Me world, there are bound to be a certain number of people that will absolutely rub each other the wrong way.  I have a few of My own.  The question then, seems to follow, do you put that personal dislike aside, in the interest of furthering whatever it is you might gain from their perspective. 

For Myself, I have to say the answer is sometimes yes and sometimes no.  While I can count on one hand the number of people who aggravate Me to no end, there is a percentage of those who, in My honest opinion, have comments that are worthwhile, and I understand that I have something to learn from them, even if they tick Me off on a personal level.  The other end of this spectrum is that, there are people who try My patience (and sometimes I lose the battle) who I have yet to find anything of worth in what they have had to say whatsoever.   In an honest assessment of Myself, I realize that, no, I am not so fully evolved that I will not take everyone's perspective's seriously, especially if I have yet to read a comment from them that has any significance.

Do I question My own perspectives in this?  Well, of course I do.  I ask why a person bothers Me so, and question if I should think about changing My opinion of them enough to bother to listen (read) what they have to say.  In some cases, I have proven Myself wrong and in some cases, I have proven Myself right.  No matter what My personal issues are, which I project onto certain people, I have to also accept that not everyone in this life has something valuable to offer.


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RE: I know... - 7/21/2008 3:16:30 PM   
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what I know...
  is basically that I know some stuff...and that there's still stuff I have to learn...
   
  When I needed a serious heads-up and reality check, I went to the person here who I knew ( from watching ) would not hesitate to call me on my crap and give me his honest impression and perspective.  I was free to take it or leave it, but I wanted to hear it..  I didn't need someone telling me what I wanted to hear, I needed to hear what I needed to hear.
 
 So, blantant honesty can have it uses.....and one persons asshole is another persons clearer perspective...................wait, that didn't sound right. 
 
and...........I hope I haven't missed the true intention of this topic/thread.

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RE: I know... - 7/24/2008 1:31:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

. I mean, really.... there has been a few times when I have had to agree with something someone I had a long standing "grrrrrr.... what an idiot" type relationship with and I'm not afraid to say "Who are you and what have you done with such-n-such?"!!


LMAO! Me too!
 
Truth is we often forget people mature, grow, learn new things and gain wisdom from all of life's little experiences.
 
Some one who a year ago was an annoying peckerhead may now have something genuine interesting to offer.
 


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RE: I know... - 7/24/2008 1:40:12 PM   
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A thought for everyone but stated for just a few.

A Man takes his dog into the woods
His dog finds a snake and the snake is about to bite the dog
The Man stands between the dog and the snake
The Snake Lunges
The dog tries to protect the man and gets Bit
The dog dies
The man shoots the snake
the snake dies
The man stands alone.

This is a Zen Meditation. Who's Sacrifice was the greatest.

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RE: I know... - 7/24/2008 1:50:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

People can be dysfunctional and still be functional productive people.
I have phobias, bouts of agorophobia, I get hives when I can't express myself.  So.. I face my fears no matter how many times they scare me, I force myself out in the world and often take on the role of leader so that I HAVE to get out of the house, I speak, and yes, exposing the dysfunctional person I am so that someday I might be able to speak up when I am angry.
I never apologize for who I am.  But I sometimes apologize for things I say, if it turns out I was mistaken.  However, if I still feel I was dead on accurate in my assessment, I dont apologize, even if feelings are hurt.  Other than to say, sorry this hurts you, but that is how I see it.  I am truthful and don't back down from the truth.

I have MY psyche mapped out.  I know why I do what I do.  I know when those detours happened in my life to make me who I am.  I know what I am and balance what I can.  I am dysfuctional but highly functioning.  I dont drink, smoke, cuss, I raised 4 kids on my own, made sure they were the type of people who might be welcomed anywhere, I put them through college the same time I went back.   I know who I am. 

I don't focus on who you are, who Michael is (though I have met him), or who anyone I see typing out here is.. unless they bring a topic up which sparks my interest.  It doesn't matter to me if someone believes me or not.  I am hard enough on myself, it would be assinine if I were to let the words of people I don't know effect me.  THAT is a dysfuction which no one can recover from, because people will always find the negative.
I'll keep my own dysfuctions intact, thank you.
Kyst



Apologies for not reading the whole thread, I encounted this and had to respond.

YES! We are none of us perfect. (Even me, I know this is hard to believe, but it is true.) I've enjoyed posts by both Micheal and Lumus very much. You are both coming into it from a very different place. This would be why I am here. To pick up on some viewpoints that are not mine. Let's (please) celebrate that.

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RE: I know... - 7/24/2008 1:56:04 PM   
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Why does it continue to be necessary to engage in public announcements of "blocking" and "unblocking"?  I don't get it.  Is it some sort of passive-aggressive tool?  Isn't part of the point of blocking a person to relieve you of stress of interacting with them?

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RE: I know... - 7/24/2008 4:22:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

I’m serious that if Micheal & Lumus get any more mushy, they’ll have to kiss and make up… then I’ll puke in my mouth. 

yeah yeah.. I know.  Luv you both... kiss my butt. 


Yeah...no shit. I want to get under people's skin just for having read 3 pages of watching everyone act like a bunch of pussies.




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