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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/23/2008 4:00:20 AM   
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But.. keeping a person feet squarely on the ground and thought in the realm of realistics expectations that are sure to be materialized in the future... well.. the magic only gets brighter as one realizes them with each passing day.


KM,

But the question is still there as to how.

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/23/2008 4:02:50 AM   
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LOL hanging sounds interesting! Let's just say I don't do fantasy-mistress-playtoy well and he didn't do honesty, reality and monogamy well. But he did put up a good impression (for a long time) that fooled many and he is still out there fooling them! And when he reads this I am sure to get a yahoo! lol


Lockit,

Well how about giving him a "c" for trying?

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/23/2008 7:37:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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Have that triple scoop ice cream without hesitation.


joy

would that be rocky road?

CP



No.  Chocolate chip mint.

YUMMY!

Have fun. 

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 5:32:31 AM   
CelticPrince


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No. Chocolate chip mint.

YUMMY!

Have fun.


joy, but they are such conflicting flavors.

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 5:52:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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You combat those by coming up with means - physical, spiritual, mental, verbal, material, use variety here - to stay connected to the Ds or Ms dynamic. Make a mutual commitment to hold up your end of the dynamic.


tammyjo,

Yours is a good plan that I have used in the past.

CP


It has worked and continues to work for us for almost 9 years now.

We've tried various things.. some aren't so good and we discard them, others worked well and we keep.

For us, use of a title for me at all time unless there is a crisis is a must.

Fox is not allowed to refuse an order regardless of how it is worded, he is not allowed the term "no".

We set aside at least one hour a day for just us -- even if it's doing nothing, it's just us.

We have a nightly ritual we do at bed time.

He has to ask permission to change his schedule at work or with friends.

We got his ears pierced almost two years ago.

In short, we have found things that connect us to our dynamic daily and constantly. Anything else is frosting on our delicious and empowering cake.

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 5:55:23 AM   
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If the dynamic is incorporated into your daily lives, then it won't fight with real life. It'll BE real life. This is just the very beginning.


527,

Good words indeed, however in my experience it will not happen if her mindset does not want to accept it 24/7

CP


Ok.. huge red flag here.

You cannot have a 24/7 relationship, at least one I would ever call part of BDSM or consensual, unless both people want it and will work to maintain.

Anything else is a set up for failure at best and at worse risks you coming into the sights of police.

If she wants this and just struggles emotionally sometimes -- that's normal -- but if she doesn't want 24/7 but you do... I see a poor set up.

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 7:51:39 AM   
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hmmm....we met online (vanilla site)...then met in r/l...then engaged in a long distance relationship for a year and a half...alot has happened between us in that time period!  alot of learning and growing individually and together...

in 2 weeks we are going to the dominican republic for 2 weeks, and then i move in with Him just a couple weeks after that!!  it hasn't really hit me yet, but i am starting to get really excited!!  i dont know what will happen after that but i can make a fairly good guess!  we will start living real life together...lol 

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 9:29:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

The time together from the 1st contact on line to the real time meeting to the planning stage of going 24/7 as Master/Sir and sub/slave has matured.

The cyber interactions are in the past, phone sex is also history. The real time meetings with her/him kneeling at their Master/Sir's Ma'am's feet is still fresh in the mind the pledge to please always still upon the "s"'s lips. Now life's reality set in, how do you clinge to that magic or do you, and if not how long does it take for the majic to wear off in the face of life's pressures?

CP


I've wanted to respond to this for a couple of days, but really wanted to think through what I was going to say... First, any time you get people together in a new group, there are going to be adjustment changes. When 'reality sets in', that's usually the first sign that you're living with a real -person- now, and not just an idea... and dealing with multiple minds sharing the same space... as well as different perceptions of the world (unavoidable -- we're each wired to perceive the world in the way that furthers our existence.. and no two existences are exactly alike).

How we -deal- with this inevitable "meeting of the minds" determines how long it takes for the 'bloom to wear off the rose'. If we acknowledge, up front, that there are going to be real challenges to bringing another person into our lives, and we are completely honest with ourselves about the challenges we're currently facing that the other person is going to have to, in some form, embrace, AND the other person has been completely honest with hirself about the challenges xhe is facing that -we- will have to, in some form, embrace, AND if we've discussed all of these challenges, then the only fading is going to come from the immensity of the burden -- heavy burdens, faster 'bloom fade'.

For most people, though, they tend to play a hand "close to their chests" when it comes to their personal challenges and issues. Even for folks who have -obvious- issues, there are still 'secret' things they don't bring up, because they're afraid it will be "too much". For every secret that we hide from our new companion, there is the possibility of a rapid and unpleasant period of "fade" -- sometimes so much that it kills the rose. This can happen in days, weeks, months -- however long it takes for those secrets to hit a critical point where the overbalance and topple the relationship.

The other relationship "killer" that we tend to play "close to the chest" is the issue of "expectations" -- all of us have unspoken expectations about what different relationships will look like and feel like. Often, these 'expectations' color the way we respond to things that happen. If we do not say "I expected you to do X, and instead you did Y. Can we discuss this?" ... and actually get those hidden expectations onto the table as they crop up, then over time, a sort of resentment sets in, as the person turns out to be "not what I expected'. This is one of the biggest destroyers of relationships around.

What is even more frightening, though, is that most people hide things from -themselves-... there are issues and problems and challenges that we pretend we don't know about, or which we actively avoid in order to not have to face our own complicity. Many times, these issues can be the difference between a rocky but survivable relationship and a "dead rose". "Above all else, to thine own self be true".

There is no way of answering your question -- some relationships survive 'reality' perfectly well for years -- the people are open, happy, and even when challenged, they rise above it with aplomb. Other relationships sink into the toilet as 'relationship shit' in just a few weeks -- much depends on the parties involved, how honest they are with themselves, and how honest they are with one another.

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 11:10:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

My question is why would you enter into a 24/7 relationship, let alone seek it if the question after obtaining it is "now what?" 


Why do dogs chase cars?

;)

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 11:38:06 AM   
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You cannot have a 24/7 relationship, at least one I would ever call part of BDSM or consensual, unless both people want it and will work to maintain.


tammyjo,

but, but, but that is what the thread was all about living together 7 days aweek!

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 11:39:51 AM   
CelticPrince


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hmmm....we met online (vanilla site)...then met in r/l...then engaged in a long distance relationship for a year and a half...alot has happened between us in that time period! alot of learning and growing individually and together...

in 2 weeks we are going to the dominican republic for 2 weeks, and then i move in with Him just a couple weeks after that!! it hasn't really hit me yet, but i am starting to get really excited!! i dont know what will happen after that but i can make a fairly good guess! we will start living real life together...lol


princess,

Did i miss something on the cross over from vanilla to D/s?

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 11:59:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty
Why do dogs chase cars?
;)

Taggard



because the love the thrill of the hunt? or maybe the rubber tastes good? oh oh wait... a rubber fetish!!! 

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 12:12:14 PM   
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The time together from the 1st contact on line to the real time meeting to the planning stage of going 24/7 as Master/Sir and sub/slave has matured.

The cyber interactions are in the past, phone sex is also history. The real time meetings with her/him kneeling at their Master/Sir's Ma'am's feet is still fresh in the mind the pledge to please always still upon the "s"'s lips. Now life's reality set in, how do you clinge to that magic or do you, and if not how long does it take for the majic to wear off in the face of life's pressures?

CP


Master and I met online, but we never did the cybering or the phone sex thang.  We met online, we progressed onwards and each interaction was just another footstep on the path.
Cling to anything?  That feels too false. We don't do clingy.  Master wouldn't tolerate that.  Unreasonable expectations will destroy anything.  Life can't be planned - it doesn't work that way.  You live and keep going forward.
 
I move to him this weekend.  I'll let you know.
 
the.dark.

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 12:27:51 PM   
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 good luck and safe journey on your move!!! 

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 12:47:37 PM   
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Thank you Pd!  *smoochies*
 
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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 12:59:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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You cannot have a 24/7 relationship, at least one I would ever call part of BDSM or consensual, unless both people want it and will work to maintain.


tammyjo,

but, but, but that is what the thread was all about living together 7 days aweek!

CP


Living together is not the same as both people wanting to be in a 24/7 Ds dynamic.

You can also have a 24/7 Ds dynamic and not live together -- I would say it is more complicated but certainly possible.

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 1:22:04 PM   
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OMG.. I think my faith in humanity has been restored!  You met online and yet you maintained reality.  I had grown to believe that anyone who meets here expects to engage in that cyber love fluff without any clue that life happens.
Thank you and may your days become years and your years, decades.
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark


Master and I met online, but we never did the cybering or the phone sex thang.  We met online, we progressed onwards and each interaction was just another footstep on the path.
Cling to anything?  That feels too false. We don't do clingy.  Master wouldn't tolerate that.  Unreasonable expectations will destroy anything.  Life can't be planned - it doesn't work that way.  You live and keep going forward.
 
I move to him this weekend.  I'll let you know.
 
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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 6:05:46 PM   
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The other relationship "killer" that we tend to play "close to the chest" is the issue of "expectations" -- all of us have unspoken expectations about what different relationships will look like and feel like. Often, these 'expectations' color the way we respond to things that happen. If we do not say "I expected you to do X, and instead you did Y. Can we discuss this?" ... and actually get those hidden expectations onto the table as they crop up, then over time, a sort of resentment sets in, as the person turns out to be "not what I expected'. This is one of the biggest destroyers of relationships around.

What is even more frightening, though, is that most people hide things from -themselves-... there are issues and problems and challenges that we pretend we don't know about, or which we actively avoid in order to not have to face our own complicity. Many times, these issues can be the difference between a rocky but survivable relationship and a "dead rose". "Above all else, to thine own self be true".

There is no way of answering your question -- some relationships survive 'reality' perfectly well for years -- the people are open, happy, and even when challenged, th


Calla,

Thanks that was a fairly comprehensive look at the problems encountered. How have you handled them?

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 6:09:19 PM   
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I move to him this weekend. I'll let you know. <http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif>

the.dark


dark, Good fortune with the move, and I will wait with bater breath for the update.

CP

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RE: The move to 24/7 Now What? - 7/24/2008 6:57:20 PM   
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Calla,

Thanks that was a fairly comprehensive look at the problems encountered. How have you handled them?

CP


It's pretty simple to handle the issue of being honest with oneself. It's a choice... a decision every time, and it's one that the individual can't skirt or pass off, no matter where they rest in the relationship picture. It requires taking a good, hard look at yourself and, in particular, the places where things aren't working or haven't worked in the past, and figuring out how you contributed to that "not working" part. It's easy to be honest with ourselves about the stuff that works -- it's the mistakes that we make and the lessons that they teach us that are consistently more difficult to choke down.

I have an advantage as well -- I have another person who is not submissive to me (for the most part) and who is my intellectual and esoteric equal, who makes it a project to make sure that I am seeing where I'm messing up. Some people would call her a nag. I call her "heart of my heart' and cherish her contributions to my conscience. Sometimes we bicker about what she puts up for me to see -- and sometimes it takes me a few days of choking on it before I finally swallow that big chunk of misplaced pride and really take a look at things squarely on -- but as rough as it gets, I am honestly appreciative of having her there to help me keep my eye on the big picture. This is good for everyone who has to deal with me, because they get my true face every time. (BTW, this doesn't mean that I blurt out everything about my private life in intimate detail to everyone that I work or play with -- however, it means that what they see is a genuine reflection of my beliefs, ethics, and my own moral code.)

The next hardest part is helping the other person involved in the relationship to find the person who can help them face themselves when they don't want to. Sometimes the mate can do this -- but that really isn't very often. My companion can do it for me, but I can't return the favor -- the way I phrase things either confuses her or presses one of her "I'm not listening anymore" buttons. Fortunately, we have 3 other people who do that for her -- one does it unconsciously, by setting her off and then forcing her to deal with the consequences of her explosions, and two do it consciously, and manage to do it without making her feel like a heel, creep, or idiot. It's a thankless job (I know, because she does it for me, and I don't thank her nearly enough!), but it's important. Facing ourselves squarely, even when we don't -want- to face what we know will be there, is one of the things that allows us to face the other people in our lives with our honest face.

Once you've got those two things under your belt, start paying attention to interactions -- watch for those sneaky "expectations", and bring them to the table.

The last part is the hardest, because in the process of relationship-building, it often gets forgotten, but it may be the most important part of building -any- relationship, including a D/s or M/s relationship -- have -fun-. Take time for yourselves first (I know, it doesn't seem possible, between work and other responsibilities... but trust me... it's possible if you want it!). Spend time together. Laugh often (and don't forget to laugh at yourselves!). Push the intensity level as high as you want it, and see how long you can hold it there -- don't give in until you absolutely have to... and then, as soon as you get the chance, build it up again. Not just the D/s or M/s intensity... the -living- intensity... the joy of being together. Celebrate one another. Find occasions in daily life that merit remembering -- then do something outrageous to make them special.

Peoples' relationships don't die because of "reality". Peoples' relationships die because something else became more important than the relationship -- and that's something that can happen any day, any time -- sometimes it is unavoidable, but make sure that if there -does- come an unavoidable time where the relationship has to take a back seat, that when the "unavoidable" is over, you make a special effort to reignite the relationship. Most peoples' relationships die by gentle neglect... the most important thing you can do after constantly working to know yourself better is to never allow Neglect to find a place at your hearth.

Calla Firestorm


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