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puella -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:39:31 PM)

Actually until late Wednesday, he was under the assumption that he had clearance to go, as is. He was not informed by the Pentagon until then.

It has nothing to do with Rock-stardom.  This is not an offical Senatoral visit.  To use those monies would be more than improper, it would be illegal.

Is this really that hard for you to wrap your head around?




RealityLicks -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:42:23 PM)

Obama's only in Europe so he can relax a little and stop worrying about snipers.  I think that entourage is largely composed of security personnel.




RealityLicks -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:46:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SophiaCorrupted

True, McCain's supporters aren't known for assuming that Barack Obama is a Muslim because of his name, or that his wife is a radical because she is black, or that he was sworn in on The Qur'an. They're all so educated on the issues! It's very clear that people following the crowd only applies to the Democratic party!


Nice. But too subtle for these parts, Sophia.

 
 

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McCain 1908!




Is more the level.




kittinSol -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:49:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

.......agreed, but i was only addressing the idea of culpability........

......times like this i wish i'd stayed working in psych....healing individuals is one thing, but sometimes healing individuals has a greater than usual social benefit.
 

Perhaps psychoanalysis should be an integral part of the school curriculum, together with history and other superfluous subjects [8D] .





celticlord2112 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:49:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: puella

Actually until late Wednesday, he was under the assumption that he had clearance to go, as is. He was not informed by the Pentagon until then.

It has nothing to do with Rock-stardom.  This is not an offical Senatoral visit.  To use those monies would be more than improper, it would be illegal.

Is this really that hard for you to wrap your head around?

Obama had clearance.  The campaign staff/rockstar entourage had to stay behind.  Obama chose to hang with his groupies instead of men and women in uniform away from the cameras.

Spin it however you like, it still comes down to Obama being a prissy prima dona.




kittinSol -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:55:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Spin it however you like, it still comes down to Obama being a prissy prima dona.



That's a matter of very, very personal opinion and judgement: many would disagree with you. Indeed, so far, it is you who has been desperately trying to froth up some spin against the man in question, with the plethora of anti-Obama threads you have on record.




celticlord2112 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:57:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Obama's only in Europe so he can relax a little and stop worrying about snipers.  I think that entourage is largely composed of security personnel.

Obama's in Europe because he wants to ape being presidential in order to persuade voters here in the US that he really is big enough to sit in the Oval Office (he's not, but no matter).

Nor is the entourage just security personnel.  Most if not all of his immediate campaign staff is tagging along for the joyride.  His entourage is considerably larger than what most Senators take on their little foreign junkets--a fact that has been prominently reported.




celticlord2112 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 5:59:23 PM)

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That's a matter of very, very personal opinion and judgement: many would disagree with you. Indeed, so far, it is you who has been desperately trying to froth up some spin against the man in question, with the plethora of anti-Obama threads you have on record.

Many would disagree with me.  Many do disagree with me.  Many are wrong.

It is the order of things.




bipolarber -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 6:08:25 PM)

So, the timeline is this:
1) Obama is denied access to the visit with the troops becuase the Pentagon found a reason to do so.

2)Obama, now with a hole in his schedule, goes for a workout.

3) The McCain people, immediately disseminate the information that Obama "blew off the troops"

4) The Obama campaign, silent about the seemingly straightforward cancelling of a visit, let's slip it was due to the Pentagon's decision....

5) It is then found that the "rule" that supposedly was the cause of the cancellation was misused.

6) an investigation is currently being launched, looking into if the commanders in charge of this action were, in fact, manipulating events in order to cast candidate Obama in a bad light. (and yes, this would be a court martial level offense, if found to be true. The military is NOT to take sides in an election.)

Source: fact check.org, MSNBC, "Countdown"




RealityLicks -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 6:10:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Obama's in Europe because he wants to ape being presidential in order to persuade voters here in the US that he really is big enough to sit in the Oval Office (he's not, but no matter).



I'm actually moved to compassion for you, cl.  Not pity, honest.  Obama seems to have really gotten under your skin and it must have been torture, watching as his popularity increased.

A few months back you were criticising his policies but I see that now, you have moved onto name-calling, in the Senator's regard.  Doesn't the spear in the other vulcan stab your own chest - or whatever it was - any longer?




kittinSol -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 6:12:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

It is the order of things.



I know you're joking, but be careful you don't make too much of a parody of yourself [:D] .




Thadius -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 6:30:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

So, the timeline is this:
1) Obama is denied access to the visit with the troops becuase the Pentagon found a reason to do so.

2)Obama, now with a hole in his schedule, goes for a workout.

3) The McCain people, immediately disseminate the information that Obama "blew off the troops"

4) The Obama campaign, silent about the seemingly straightforward cancelling of a visit, let's slip it was due to the Pentagon's decision....

5) It is then found that the "rule" that supposedly was the cause of the cancellation was misused.

6) an investigation is currently being launched, looking into if the commanders in charge of this action were, in fact, manipulating events in order to cast candidate Obama in a bad light. (and yes, this would be a court martial level offense, if found to be true. The military is NOT to take sides in an election.)

Source: fact check.org, MSNBC, "Countdown"


At least get the details right.

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The Obama campaign said that it would have been inappropriate to make the stop because Obama was concerned the trip would have been viewed as a campaign event.

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=87817&videoChannel=1 

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“The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign,” Mr. Gibbs said.


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Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, issued a statement emphasizing that the Pentagon did not cancel Mr. Obama’s visit.

“Senator Obama, in his official capacity, is always welcome to visit Landstuhl or any other military hospital. But it is not permitted to bring with him campaign staff. His team was notified of that, and they made a decision not to visit the hospital. But we were ready and willing to host him there. In fact, we had made arrangements for his campaign plane to land at Ramstein, and to take care of the campaign staff and press in a passenger terminal there, while the senator and senate staff, if he liked, went on to visit wounded warriors. They made a decision based on their own calculations not to visit. Senator Obama, like any other member of the senate, is always welcome to visit our wounded warriors or our military hospitals around the world. But they do so in their official capacity, and not as a candidate. He can come in and bring senate staffers as well, if he likes, but campaign staffers and press are not permitted to accompany him. That would be a violation of DoD directives.”



The evidence is very easy to follow.. Obama did not want to make the visit without the campaign and press entourage.  Without press he would not get the photo op to add to his resume.  The campaigns can attempt to spin this however they wish, the fact is a sitting Senator is ALWAYS welcome to visit troops, and especially welcome to visit the wounded.  Quite simply, Obama chose not to visit.




Sanity -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 6:40:51 PM)

I deliberately avoided pointing out that old worn out cliche, wherein Democrats tirelessly play the race card.

Well, I tried to.


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ORIGINAL: philosophy
Now, if 10% of voters believed McCain to be the secret leader of the KKK then you'd have a comparison.




Owner59 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 7:43:44 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_el_pr/obama_troops

Well that clears that bugaboo up.

Jesus, what a scream-fest.You`d think Obama exposed a CIA agent or lost a whole city to a flood or something.

The jumping to the worst conclusions and twisting/lying about what actually happened,which was nothing.lol, Nothing but jealous whiners with no self control.

This poop will be the dish dejor from the republicans for the next 4 months.

I`m still waiting to debate real issues and have a national dialog about the future.




Sanity -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 7:53:59 PM)

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I`m still waiting to debate real issues and have a national dialog about the future.


Aye, the last thread you started proves that you're waiting to debate "the real issues".




Owner59 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 8:55:15 PM)

 
Media bias against Mr. Obama is a legitimate subject.

Showing that there is no bias against McCain is also a legit subject.

My comment was reference to silly accusations like this story.

This is alot like the fake "hair-cut at the air-port" story about Bill Clinton.

You still believe Bill Clinton closed part of an airport to get a hair-cut.Don`t you?

This is a great campaign "stratigery",btw.Please stick with it.




slvemike4u -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 9:05:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


So?

I'll bet similar numbers believe that all Republicans hate children and the elderly, love pollution and oil spills, hate the Constitution and also believe that the Bush tax cuts benefited only the rich.

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ORIGINAL: Level
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Ten percent of American voters believe Sen. Barack Obama is Muslim, despite the presidential candidate's frequent descriptions of his Christian faith and a high-profile flap over his former pastor. The finding was contained in survey results released by the non-partisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.



While a majority — 53% — identify Obama as a Christian, 16% of conservative Republicans, 16% of white evangelical Protestants and 19% of rural Americans believe the Illinois senator is Muslim.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-04-01-obama-muslim_N.htm

All of which makes me wonder is the abysmal turnout by eligible voters in this country really a bad thing?




celticlord2112 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 9:14:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Obama's in Europe because he wants to ape being presidential in order to persuade voters here in the US that he really is big enough to sit in the Oval Office (he's not, but no matter).



I'm actually moved to compassion for you, cl.  Not pity, honest.  Obama seems to have really gotten under your skin and it must have been torture, watching as his popularity increased.

A few months back you were criticising his policies but I see that now, you have moved onto name-calling, in the Senator's regard.  Doesn't the spear in the other vulcan stab your own chest - or whatever it was - any longer?

I use those words that fit.  I use the language of scorn, slight regard, with a pastiche of contempt.  I do not see where Obama is worthy of more than this.

I am opposed to Obama's candidacy.  I find him a slight, unmeritable man, utterly bereft of any redeeming virtue that would recommend him to the Oval Office.  I choose to be vocal and relentless in my opposition--here as in the other forums in which I participate.

I am partisan in my politics.  It is my nature.





Owner59 -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 9:18:18 PM)

And this, coming from an admirer of boy George Bush.




slvemike4u -> RE: A Workout Instead of Meeting U.S. Troops? (7/25/2008 9:37:39 PM)

CL he is worthy of more than that just because he is the Presumptive Candidate of the Democratic Party,which means he has been tested by a large portion of the electorate and has been found fit to stand for the Highest Office in the Land by his party.You find him a slight man with no merit and bereft of redeeming values ,yet somehow he has risen to stand for President ,I suggest you reevaluate how you measure the man...is it possible you are missing something?Being vocal and relentless is your right,but blinding yourself to the man's accomplisments would seem a mistake....and unworthy of an intelligent reasoning man




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