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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

if I were born into a shoe store then i would already know how to run one...wouldn't I?
As most of us...i was born into a functioning household and when it was time to set up my own i already know how i would mimic the one i came from as well as change what i did not like.

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Femme, if you run a search on the words "mentor" and "training," you'll see that you've stepped in the middle of a minefield, with what I believe to be an honest, well-intentioned opening post.

If you scheduled a series of demos and hands-on classes, and kept the preachy-preachy to a minimum, I'd be interested.  Otherwise, well -- I'm a vegetarian, don't wear or buy leather... and even so, there's a decent chance I've read more of the Leather Archives than you have.  What would you offer that would be of practical worth to me in my own life?

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

This is silly.

And one of my pet peeves with plagarists. The leatherman scene was set up for gay men to have leathersex. And More than one ACTUAL old guard person (Like Guy Baldwin) has made it perfectly clear that if you are NOT a gay man practicing leather sex, and who had his leathers handed down from a daddy IN that scene-connecting yourself to them is simply contemptuous.

You didn't earn ANYTHING.

I have done a LOT of research on this group, and I can cite refferences to this effect. It's not for straight men-it's not for ANY woman. They would have had nothing to do with you.

So quit claiming lineage from them, because all that is, is a cheap rip off of what they WERE.

And it's disrespectful.

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ORIGINAL: ButchFemDomCpl

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

if I were born into a shoe store then i would already know how to run one...wouldn't I?
As most of us...i was born into a functioning household and when it was time to set up my own i already know how i would mimic the one i came from as well as change what i did not like.

I would think you would if you were born into it you would know how to run a BDSM House. :)   But Letherist didn't ask that, he asked "Can you learn to run a shoe store by visiting a kennel?"  

I said "No" because they arent the same.   People who were born into a BDSM house would probably have no interest in coming to stay in a House like I am suggesting.   Again, this would be for someone who wanted to expose themselves to different thoughts, consider things they may or may not have considered. 

Now you have Me curious, because from many of the posts I have read online, I dont recall seeing many from people who were born into a BDSM house.   I believe that children have no place in a BDSM house.  How did your parents do it?

Femme
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ORIGINAL: ButchFemDomCpl
This is an educational idea.  It is not the first of its kind. 

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ORIGINAL: ButchFemDomCpl

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ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

My only question is...  What would they learn except how your house is run?   And I imagine your 24/7 household is different from most other 24/7 households as well...there's no "one size fits all" type thing that I'm sure you're aware of.  If you plan on teaching them various ways to play safely, then I could see how that'd be helpful...but otherwise I'm not sure I see what you'd be offering.

The idea is interesting, I'd just like to see some more details.

DV's Fox

Good question.  My thoughts were that the people who came to the house were given (for lack of a better word) a set of worksheets.   In these worksheets would ask questions and give situations that should be addressed in ANY 24/7 relationship.  There are a vast many ways to deal with the a myraid of simple things, let alone the majors.  

Here was My idea of a typical question that many mundane's might not consider in the worksheets:
As far as the daily living, there are MANY ways to get medical insurance for a 24/7 slave.  How do you plan to get medical care for your slave?  At Our House, we do... blah blah blah. 

The idea is to put forth many many open-ended questions that the couple would refect on and answer between the two of them.  What I would show is how those same questions are answered in MY house. The idea I had is to open people's minds to ALL the aspects they need to consider.  I wouldnt be putting forth that House of Moriah St Cyr is the best out there, but HMSC is just one way to do things.  Often when people are putting together their House documents there are things they miss.  My goal is to have  a community of DS Houses that have one thing in common.. and thats Domination. How they put their own Houses together will be very different in each incident.

Some people want to experience what it means, especially if they have not experienced anything like this previously.  This offers them a type of mentorship, both while they are here, and once they leave.  While they are here, the submissive will be taught different forms of service, and the types of that service they are taught would reflect on the questions they answered before arriving in HMSC. 

For example: Master So&So wants his slave to learn formal dinner service.  Master has never been to a formal dinner service and is unable to direct slave as to how He wants this task performed.  Master will learn what he wants, and doesnt want, during formal service.  Slave/submissive will learn everything HMSC has to offer in this area.  The couple is then able to pick and choose what they want to keep in their House and what they want to jettison.  This is just one example of different things that can be taught within just one House. 

If this works out, then newcommers would have a choice of Houses they would want to go to.  They may want to go to one, they may want to go to several.  My goal, again, is to have a community of SM houses.  I want to be just one House in the community.   We are all different, but bound by the same interest of BDSM. 

Femme
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ORIGINAL: ButchFemDomCpl

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I can personally see no use in exploring an alien M/s enviornment.

If I am incapable of managing another person in my own household-how could I possibly expect another to teach me? Especially if they were of a totally different organizational and orientation bent?

I know exactly the way I want my house and affairs kept in order. The only fine tuning would come from on the job training-just like any other sort of job.

Can you learn to run a shoe store by visiting a kennel?

Sorry to hear you are unwilling to learn more and open to learning more.
You do realise that much of the leather movement was started by gay men?  With this said, I am extremely curious to know how you learned to put your house together if you were unwilling to learn from those that are a "different orientation bent?"  (TGIQ)

If you know how you want your house and affairs kept, why bother posting negative comments?  Often relationships blow up because of lack of communication BEFORE the slave moves in.  How do you show a slave/sub what life can be like in what would be considered a very secure environment? 

It would be stupid to think you can learn to run a shoe store from visiting a kennel.  Dogs are not made into shoes. Or is this something you do in the House you run?   If so.. no wonder you arent interested in learning different ideas, new ways, and different House protocols! 

On the other hand, you CAN go to one shoe store, see how they set up their inventory, find out how they advertise, find out how they set up their front office, see what uniforms they wear, find out what their customer service requirements are, then go back to the confines of YOUR cozy shoe store and decide what works for you, and what doesnt.  


Femme
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ORIGINAL: monywildcat

Hrm, I think that this is a VERY interesting concept.  It certainly looks good on paper! 

But seriously, this is an excellent idea not just for folk interested in learning more about a 24/7 lifestyle, a d/s relationship, whatever the hell name you want to slap on the situation.  I'm not good with labels.  I'm worse with people's names.  But, I digress.  While yes, those people vacationing would only see the inner workings of ONE particular household, they would still get the broad strokes.  To expand their knowledge they would need to visit a couple of other households as well.  Then they could fine-tune what they have learned, tweak things to their preferences, and all that good stuff.  I understand completely the argument that "i want my house run MY way" or "i don't want to be trained to someone else's specifications, I want to be trained by my master/dom/whatever" for someone that would have no point of reference, such a vacation home, or workshop, could very well be beneficial.  Like a marriage or a couple's workshop.  With rope and riding crops. 

See, my way of thinking is, that I grew up in a traditional, dad goes to work and mom stays home, kind of household.  I never witnessed a house that was run with two full-time breadwinners, how did they compromise on what portions of whose paychecks pay what bills, did they collaborate on grocery lists or did one person dictate what goes into the pantry, and all sorts of things.  So, I see the potential value in this sort of concept.  The vacation lifestyle house, with the purpose of educating those that have never witnessed such a household in operation before.  I, for one, would be willing to participate.  But only if there is a pool.  And some beer.   

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
It is not good of you to require someone to pay you a large amount of money for a week's training in a skill and have them come away feeling badly about themselves thinking they are a bad s type when the reality of it is that you are an incompetent teacher.

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In our current community in Las Vegas there has been a great deal of discussion about training, or the lack thereof. A local group has started up to help mentor those who are new to Las Vegas. I applaud their ideas. They are looking to have more mentors enter their group and help new people. My House is a 24/7 lifestyle house. I have often wondered if there would be people interested in living in a 24/7 lifestyle house as a vacation. There are SO many things that happen in a 24/7 lifestyle house, that it would take more than 24 hours to describe everything.

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In My musings, I thought that it would be good to offer a place for training for both the Sub/Slave and Domina/Dom. In that manner, people who were new, either tops or bottoms would see first-hand the workings and intricacies of life in a 24/7 house. It seems to Me that a great deal of novices, tops or bottoms engage with someone who is experienced. I thought that I would toss this out here, just to see what others may bring up as considerations that I may have overlooked. All comments welcomed. :)