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Thadius -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 1:09:30 AM)

PBS does get an allowance from the Feds... but most of the local PBS stations are supported by "local" donations.  Hell here in Michigan, we get a tax credit for any donations to PBS, so it is basicly a free out of pocket donation (if you don't look at the tax dollars that are actually refunding the money).




bipolarber -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 1:14:45 AM)

Thadius,

Well, that's true... but, where do they place CNN on their selection? On my system, FOX is located two channels away from the major networks... CNN is buried somewhere up the screen among a bunch of home shopping channels, two religious 24 hour "send us your dredit card, and we'll make sure you get into heaven" type programmers. (it's right next to LOGO, in fact) and the NASA (Amazingly, we can make space flight boring) channel.

Can't speak to what the TV selections are like over there for the troops... I'll have to ask my nephew, the next time he's home, about that. However, we DO know that their emails and internet access is severely restricted (since many of the troops blogs were less than complimentary as of three years ago, when the policy was enacted) So I wouldn't be surprised if Bush was allowing only whitewash through the cables.




bipolarber -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 1:18:35 AM)

As I understand it, at least with our local affiliate, the feds pay for the equipment, and a percentage of the operating costs, but the membership donations are what pay for the programming lisences... the content.




Thadius -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 1:25:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Thadius,

Well, that's true... but, where do they place CNN on their selection? On my system, FOX is located two channels away from the major networks... CNN is buried somewhere up the screen among a bunch of home shopping channels, two religious 24 hour "send us your dredit card, and we'll make sure you get into heaven" type programmers. (it's right next to LOGO, in fact) and the NASA (Amazingly, we can make space flight boring) channel.

Can't speak to what the TV selections are like over there for the troops... I'll have to ask my nephew, the next time he's home, about that. However, we DO know that their emails and internet access is severely restricted (since many of the troops blogs were less than complimentary as of three years ago, when the policy was enacted) So I wouldn't be surprised if Bush was allowing only whitewash through the cables.


When I was in Chicago and here in Michigan, all of the cable news channels are lumped together, just as almost every other group of channels (sports, cartoons, learning..)

Actually, a big reason for the increased security of blogs and emails, is that some folks were talking about mission objectives, accomplishments, and or failures... and that stuff is classified.  When I was in the sandbox during the Storm, we didn't have the internet, and blogs were a journal on a bbs someplace.  We were informed though that our mail could be screened, and possibly redacted.




Raechard -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 3:24:42 AM)

When I hear people, who oppose any current US government policy, be allowed to air views on that news network without the presenter jumping down their throat and cutting them off with irrelevant points at every juncture I'll call it fair and balanced. All you have to really do is contrast the debating styles of any single presenter when they face someone with pro government views against the style of that same presenter when they face someone with anti government views and you'll find it's pretty obvious. If they say fair and balanced enough they think some people will start to believe it.

I decided to stop watching it because I found it damaging to my brain so maybe it has changed since then.




Level -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 3:35:48 AM)

C-SPAN is the only genuine "fair and balanced" network, IMO. Fox veers far to the right, MSNBC quite far to the left, CNN a bit leftward, as well.




Raechard -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 3:45:19 AM)

Having said that I used to love it when John Gibson would read out all the abusive emails he got to prove the point that every view counted. Maybe I was watching FoxNews for the wrong reasons.[:D]




Level -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 4:07:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Having said that I used to love it when John Gibson would read out all the abusive emails he got to prove the point that every view counted. Maybe I was watching FoxNews for the wrong reasons.[:D]


[8D] Yes, that's a bit like helping someone in a wheelchair up a ramp, just to be able to push them back down.




thishereboi -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 4:22:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Thadius,

Well, that's true... but, where do they place CNN on their selection? On my system, FOX is located two channels away from the major networks... CNN is buried somewhere up the screen among a bunch of home shopping channels, two religious 24 hour "send us your dredit card, and we'll make sure you get into heaven" type programmers. (it's right next to LOGO, in fact) and the NASA (Amazingly, we can make space flight boring) channel.

Can't speak to what the TV selections are like over there for the troops... I'll have to ask my nephew, the next time he's home, about that. However, we DO know that their emails and internet access is severely restricted (since many of the troops blogs were less than complimentary as of three years ago, when the policy was enacted) So I wouldn't be surprised if Bush was allowing only whitewash through the cables.


When I was in Chicago and here in Michigan, all of the cable news channels are lumped together, just as almost every other group of channels (sports, cartoons, learning..)

Actually, a big reason for the increased security of blogs and emails, is that some folks were talking about mission objectives, accomplishments, and or failures... and that stuff is classified.  When I was in the sandbox during the Storm, we didn't have the internet, and blogs were a journal on a bbs someplace.  We were informed though that our mail could be screened, and possibly redacted.


I just checked the listing for Detroit and scrolling down the first one you come to is MSNBC, a bit further down, you start seeing CNN channels and then some FOX.

Not sure what that is supposed to signify, but I was bored and had Detroit info handy, so there ya go.




kittinSol -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 4:30:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The other networks sound just like you do... especially MSNBC and CBS.

FOX News just provides a little bit of balance, something that seems completely alien to certain Democrats who it seems would love nothing better than to dictate what news may or may not be disseminated over the airwaves.



Surely, you're joking? 'A little bit of balance'??? A revolting campaign against black America, jingoistic propaganda and blatant attempts at manipulation through strict opinion pieces, 'a little bit of balance'?

Foxattacks: they distort, we reply. 




Owner59 -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 5:30:48 AM)

 For some,that is the "balance" they seek.

If it wasn`t for fox,we would have never know that the "fist bump",was a terrorist hand signal.

They report,I decide.[8|] [8|]

Win-win...




MmeGigs -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 5:32:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Government TV (PBS) leans very far to the left and can't match FOX News, can't even come close when it comes to presenting both sides of any given argument.


Even studies that claimed to show left-wing media bias found that Fox News leaned to the right. 

Studies found that PBS doesn't have any particular bias.  "In 2005, the Board of PBS debated bias with regard to its programs, and then-Chairman Ken Tomlinson commissioned a study aiming to detect 'liberal' bias. The results of study indicated that there was no particular bias on PBS, so Mr. Tomlinson chose to ignore or reject the results the study, subsequently reducing time and funding for NOW with Bill Moyers, which he regarded as a "left-wing" program, and then expanded a show hosted by alleged conservative talk show host, Tucker Carlson."





Owner59 -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 6:08:01 AM)

 
There are some that think reality has a left wing bias,so the news(history recorded) seems hostile to their POV.

Considering the amount of "money/financial" programing,PBS is fairly conservative.

The have The Nightly Business Report and Wall street Week,etc.

They don`t have "Environment Watch" or "Ocean Watch".

When someone claims that PBS is left-wing,they`re just repeating a rightest`s mantra. 

FoxNews isn`t actually a news outfit.

The do not investigate or create their own news stories.They just take AP and Reuters stuff and spin it,until an escalation is a surge,Obama is a terrorist and Bush is a competent president.

FoxNews CEO Roger Ails, also coordinates his programing every week with the White House,basically making FoxNews the media arm of the RNC.

FoxNews is the neo-con`s opiate.Let them have their drug."They`re animals anyway,let them lose their souls"





Raechard -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 6:17:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level
[8D] Yes, that's a bit like helping someone in a wheelchair up a ramp, just to be able to push them back down.


I wouldn't do that unless the ramp was made up of tactile paving stones.
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Manawyddan -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 6:51:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
FOX News just provides a little bit of balance, something that seems completely alien to certain Democrats who it seems would love nothing better than to dictate what news may or may not be disseminated over the airwaves.


As with many so-called conservatives, you have ... possibly deliberately ... missed the point.

I don't care how conservative Fox news is. I think it's a good thing to have a conservative television station, in fact.

There are a lots of conservative writters, whom I consistently disagree with, but I respect them nonetheless because they have independent view, and will criticise any administration, left or right wing, that violates their principles. But is is not the role of a news station to act as a government propoganda tool.





bipolarber -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 8:48:25 AM)

Tellingly, I tend to get my "trustworthy" news from outside the country. The BBC World News Report is about the only broadcast that I feel keeps their personal views out of the copy, and sticks to the facts. Plus, we get a lot of reporting of stores that aren't so USA-centric. You end up with a worldview that's a bit more level.

That, and the Daily Show...

I seem to recall that they did a study of who was better informed: people who watched the Daily Show with John Stewart (the fake news) or Rush Limbaugh....(the really fake news) Guess who came out way ahead in being able to cite the correct names, agencies, and timeframes of specific incidents?... yup. The Daily Show viewers. In fact, they found that Limbaugh listeners tended to be clueless about many of the details about events like the Katrina timeline, why we went to war, and who the major players in the Bush cabinet were/are. "To be this out of touch, someone would have to be deliberately misled." said one spokesman for the study.




philosophy -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 8:51:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

I seem to recall that they did a study of who was better informed: people who watched the Daily Show with John Stewart (the fake news) or Rush Limbaugh....(the really fake news) 


...please tell me you have a link to that study......




abcbsex -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 9:01:00 AM)

I just have to add that for a year all I had was fox because my roommate and I didn't have the money to shell out for cable. What I saw disgusted me. Not only do they make racist quips throughout their news commentary, they then show the worst of society through shows like maury, jerry springer, divorce court... all day long. bleck. I don't miss watching television now.

oh and O'reilly can go to hell.




Sanity -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 9:29:56 AM)

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...please tell me you have a link to that study......


Here you go

quote:

Limbaugh’s audience is often underestimated by critics who don’t listen to the show (only 3 percent of his audience identify themselves as “liberal,” according to the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press). Recently, Pew reported that, on a series of “news knowledge questions,” Limbaugh’s “Dittoheads” — the defiantly self-mocking term for his faithful, supposedly brainwashed, audience — scored higher than NPR listeners. The study found that “readers of newsmagazines, political magazines and business magazines, listeners of Rush Limbaugh and NPR and viewers of the Daily Show and C-SPAN are also much more likely than the average person to have a college degree.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06Limbaugh-t.html?pagewanted=6



Oh wait - maybe that wasn't it.




Sanity -> RE: Fox News is the Ministry of Information. (7/26/2008 9:32:33 AM)

If what you said were true, that FOX News makes racist quips throughout their news day, then  you probably wouldn't be the sole person reporting on such a supposed "fact".




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